[bobbywaves]

As you know, I have 22k pending on Tripe challenge & prefer annual challenges. Hopefully you don't miss signing up in January again.

[Robber]

As you know, I have 22k pending on Tripe challenge & prefer annual challenges. Hopefully you don't miss signing up in January again.

Lol

What bobby meant: "I am scared so I will keep ducking you."

[bobbywaves]

If that's what I meant, then why would I encourage DS to sign up in January? You're obviously not bright, & you're petrified as a forest to sign up yourself.

[Triple_D_Bet]

I'm at 8240, with screenshot to follow in a few days when back from vacation. Bobbo is at 10,250, as his posted link is worthless for posterity and won't properly document the hilarity when the year's worth of posts are put in proper context

[Triple_D_Bet]

If that's what I meant, then why would I encourage DS to sign up in January? You're obviously not bright, & you're petrified as a forest to sign up yourself.

Because as robber said, you're scared and keep ducking...after being called out on numerous excuses, you finally decided to set terms DS wouldn't agree to simply so you could avoid him. Nothing new there, and obvious to most

[bobbywaves]

Both DS & myself reserve the right to accept or reject terms. I've made it clear numerous times that I'm only interested in annual challenges, which DS obviously doesn't like because skill prevails. Yet he continues to offer short duration challenges with luck & variance, as it's his only chance of winning. That's his prerogative...I prefer the virtual lock 12 months provides, as I'm clearly demonstrating in our challenge.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Both DS & myself reserve the right to accept or reject terms. I've made it clear numerous times that I'm only interested in annual challenges, which DS obviously doesn't like because skill prevails. Yet he continues to offer short duration challenges with luck & variance, as it's his only chance of winning. That's his prerogative...I prefer the virtual lock 12 months provides, as I'm clearly demonstrating in our challenge.

Oops, try again bobbo...DS agreed to 12 months spotting you your current lead, and you refused. He agreed to 12 months from current date and you refused, insisting 2 screenshots was too much effort to win his points/you like leaderboard links/you don't want to "overextend" (all of which have been exposed as excuses). You're ducking bobbo, and everyone knows it but you. Accepting a challenge from DS would kill two birds with one stone: you'd stop looking like such a big-talking, small-walking coward, and you'd be in good with a lender to loan to you when you want to do a sizable challenge for next year but are short on points

Gone for a few more days, I'll leave it to donk, robber and others to take care of you until then

[bobbywaves]

I'm at 8240, with screenshot to follow in a few days when back from vacation. Bobbo is at 10,250, as his posted link is worthless for posterity and won't properly document the hilarity when the year's worth of posts are put in proper context

I have you at 8.240 as well, so no screenshot necessary. If there's ever a discrepancy, then you can post screenshot to resolve.

[downsouth]

Both DS & myself reserve the right to accept or reject terms. I've made it clear numerous times that I'm only interested in annual challenges, which DS obviously doesn't like because skill prevails. Yet he continues to offer short duration challenges with luck & variance, as it's his only chance of winning. That's his prerogative...I prefer the virtual lock 12 months provides, as I'm clearly demonstrating in our challenge.

We can start 12 months starting tonight. No problem. But if Im going to do an annual I at least want it to be worth my time. 25k, in the event you lose to Triple D you can pay me after him, No interest added. I agree this will give you the easiest path to show off your skill set.

Looks like were good to go as duration problem seems to be worked out, so just confirm were starting tonight and Ill start playing tonight.

[bobbywaves]

Oops, try again bobbo...DS agreed to 12 months spotting you your current lead, and you refused. He agreed to 12 months from current date and you refused, insisting 2 screenshots was too much effort to win his points/you like leaderboard links/you don't want to "overextend" (all of which have been exposed as excuses). You're ducking bobbo, and everyone knows it but you. Accepting a challenge from DS would kill two birds with one stone: you'd stop looking like such a big-talking, small-walking coward, and you'd be in good with a lender to loan to you when you want to do a sizable challenge for next year but are short on points

Gone for a few more days, I'll leave it to donk, robber and others to take care of you until then

Overextending is not an excuse, I have 22k pending & I'm responsible unlike you. If I lose which is highly unlikely, I won't need to request a loan like you'll have to do just to pay me. DS interest rate offer to you will probably be cheaper than the interest I'll charge. I also prefer starting in January, as I like the leaderboard updates keeping track of total pts. This is my prerogative which doesn't require explaining, not my problem if you don't agree with my valid decisions.
Fact of the matter is....it has no effect on our annual challenge & quite frankly, it's none of your business.

I obviously don't need to be in good with a lender, as I haven't requested a loan in the 5+ years I've been here. Considering I'll have a 60k+ balance at years end when our challenge is complete & have the ability to generate on my own, I don't see myself ever requesting a loan. Loans are reserved for clueless broke dikk fukks, like CS & Mitch.

[bobbywaves]

We can start 12 months starting tonight. No problem. But if Im going to do an annual I at least want it to be worth my time. 25k, in the event you lose to Triple D you can pay me after him, No interest added. I agree this will give you the easiest path to show off your skill set.

Looks like were good to go as duration problem seems to be worked out, so just confirm were starting tonight and Ill start playing tonight.

Again...my annual challenges start in January, you & Tripe are having trouble comprehending that. If you don't want to join the main pot come January (since you don't play well with others apparently), then we can have a side bet. Not sure what stakes yet, as I have to see how I do on current challenge. However, I can guarantee you at least 2.5k & possibly 5k if I win this year. I told Tripe I would give him a chance to win his pts back, so I'll probably have at least 20k pending with him again next year.

[downsouth]

Again...my annual challenges start in January, you & Tripe are having trouble comprehending that. If you don't want to join the main pot come January (since you don't play well with others apparently), then we can have a side bet. Not sure what stakes yet, as I have to see how I do on current challenge. However, I can guarantee you at least 2.5k & possibly 5k if I win this year. I told Tripe I would give him a chance to win his pts back, so I'll probably have at least 20k pending with him again next year.

Is it that you have a hard time determining what 12 months is if your not counting from January. Ill help you in you need it, I can even put up a circled calendar if you like.

And Im not wasting my time for 2500 points. I havent played a tourney in weeks and the only reason I would play is to break you.

[bobbywaves]

You'll never break me, as I'm a money management specialist.

I enjoy humiliating Tripe with annual leaderboard link, starting in January obviously provides me with this opportunity.

[Robber]

If that's what I meant, then why would I encourage DS to sign up in January? You're obviously not bright, & you're petrified as a forest to sign up yourself.

I'm brighter than you. You've ducked him dozens of times. Come January you'll have more excuses as always.

You're a petrified piece of wood, with the intellect to match.

[Robber]

You'll never break me, as I'm a money management specialist.

You're a specialist in lying, running from challenges, and redefining ways to measure success at poker that suit you.

Ds has challenged you numerous times and all you do all week apparently is sit there at the tables folding so you can't claim you have a life.


You're a coward.

[bobbywaves]

DS claims he hasn't played a tourney in weeks, yet I see him playing every daily. Apparently his old man is playing.

Robber has much to say from the rail, he can never be found on the felt.

[Wulfman14]

pick your poison...go waves

wtf is a tripe though?

[bobbywaves]

pick your poison...go waves

wtf is a tripe though?

Tripe is a quite fitting nickname for TripleD, as his posts are tripe.

Tripe - Slang. something, especially speech or writing, that is false or worthless; rubbish.

Refer to definition #2: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tripe

[Triple_D_Bet]

Tripe is a quite fitting nickname for TripleD, as his posts are tripe.

Tripe - Slang. something, especially speech or writing, that is false or worthless; rubbish.

Refer to definition #2: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tripe

Don't think I've said anything false yet, while your definitions of ROI and your constant excuses fit that definition much better. I'm sure that's the best you can do though, you're as witty as you are good at poker (which is to say, not very)

[bobbywaves]

Don't think I've said anything false yet, while your definitions of ROI and your constant excuses fit that definition much better. I'm sure that's the best you can do though, you're as witty as you are good at poker (which is to say, not very)

You can find tripe in every post you make. But here's just another perfect example of further tripe, insinuating I'm "not very good at poker." Unlike you, leaderboard updates don't lie:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/poker/

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...rs.html?slf=36

I also enjoy an approximate 2,300 lead in our H2H challenge. So for Tripe to say "I'm not very good at poker," obviously doesn't do him any favors. It only further demonstrates his ignorance & lack of credibility.

My definition of ROI (return on investment), is spot on. Waves poker ROI has a percentage gain of a whopping 514%, compared to your pathetic 31%. Again...this is factual, can easily be verified by anyone.

[Triple_D_Bet]

You can find tripe in every post you make. But here's just another perfect example of further tripe, insinuating I'm "not very good at poker." Unlike you, leaderboard updates don't lie:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/poker/

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...rs.html?slf=36

I also enjoy an approximate 2,300 lead in our H2H challenge. So for Tripe to say "I'm not very good at poker," obviously doesn't do him any favors. It only further demonstrates his ignorance & lack of credibility.

My definition of ROI (return on investment), is spot on. Waves poker ROI has a percentage gain of a whopping 514%, compared to your pathetic 31%. Again...this is factual, can easily be verified by anyone.

Interestingly enough, you being good at poker is independent of your position on any leaderboard, and easy to confirm by observing your play. Pop quiz bobbo: Phil Ivey's not on either leaderboard, and certainly doens't have an "ROI" greater than 5...would you say you're a better poker player then him?

Speaking of ROI, are you able to find anyone else who corroborates your ridiculous definition of it? Anyone?

[bobbywaves]

Good players & leaderboards absolutely go hand & hand, are you saying players like Simiedo, ShounRua, & Smitch are not good because they appear on top of annual leaderboard? Why are the best players found on the leaderboard every year?

I don't need ROI definition corroboration from anyone, as what I posted above is accurate. Tell me what you feel is inaccurate.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Good players & leaderboards absolutely go hand & hand, are you saying players like Simiedo, ShounRua, & Smitch are not good because they appear on top of annual leaderboard? Why are the best players found on the leaderboard every year?

I don't need ROI definition corroboration from anyone, as what I posted above is accurate. Tell me what you feel is inaccurate.

Good players on the leaderboard doesn't mean that a player on the leaderboard is good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent The truth is some of the best players are not found on the leaderboard year after year, frequently because the best ones have better use for their talents than SBR poker.

A wise man is always interested in the opinions of others, knowing that when the rest of the world disagrees on an issue (including people much smarter than him), he's very likely to be wrong....so in your case, I believe you when you say you don't feel the need for corroboration

I've told you before what's wrong with your "ROI" definition, but I'll do so again so you can't claim another excuse. The 'I" part stands for "investment"; in the case of ring games, sitting down at a table at different times with the same bankroll doesn't represent separate investments. You're attempting to use tournament ROI (winnings divided by entry fees) to measure cash game results, which is obviously wrong. On top of that, tournament ROI is used to compare skill levels between similar games; comparing your inflated ROI (when you play the only type of SBR poker which has massive overlays) with cash games is inaccurate in that your winnings are only about 16% earned by you, 84% a gift from SBR...whereas cash games winnings are 100% earned by the player. The analogy I used before of a freeroll player thinking they're better than Doyle Brunson because their winnings/investment ratio is higher is absurdly false.

Your actual earned ROI is probably around 10-15%, which should be embarrassing for penny-ante poker to someone who takes it as seriously as you do. This won't be a surprise to most who've observed you playing.

I don't expect you to understand that anymore than you did last time, but at least you can't claim to have forgotten as an excuse. By all means carry on, but do try to come up with some new forms of ignorance...the old ones are getting a bit stale

Still waiting to hear you say you're better than Phil Ivey, given his absence on leaderboard and low "ROI"

[bobbywaves]

This definition is accurate & the correct formula used to quote my accurate figures above, you can try to spin & minimize it however you like.

How can I compare myself to Ivey when he obviously doesn't play here? There's no numbers to compare.

[Triple_D_Bet]

This definition is accurate & the correct formula used to quote my accurate figures above, you can try to spin & minimize it however you like.

How can I compare myself to Ivey when he obviously doesn't play here? There's no numbers to compare.

So close and yet so far bobbo. The key concept is the one you can't seem to wrap your head around: every buy-in to a cash game is not a separate investment. Not to mention the "cost of investment" is both points and time; factor in time, and your winnings (earning $0.25 an hour, with an extra $1.25 bonus thrown in from SBR) are trivial compared to a McDonalds burger flipper. Compared to other players, who spend less time making more points than you...it's even less impressive.

Regarding Ivey, it doesn't matter that he doesn't play here according to your criteria; everything you've said to try to put yourself above other (better) players applies to him as well (he could have joined contest at beginning of year, he could have played every daily, etc). It's a ridiculous example, but the same principle with other players here. Of course, you tend to set arbitrary definitions for success, usually narrow enough where you're the only person who qualifies...it's hilarious that despite your best attempts to do so, there are still people who are better than you by your made-up definitions.

I know you don't understand any of the above, but most of the rest of us do, and hopefully you can understand that when nobody takes you seriously. Maybe one day you'll put all the pieces together and realize that's why nobody wants to bet on you against me, or donk, or anyone in a poker contest....until then, don't change a thing and keep entertaining us with your excuses and grasping for "success"

[bobbywaves]

Ok, let's factor in time. You've spent way more time than I have with your ring games & rollovers, which is obviously the only reason your net is higher. This is clearly evident with your poker deposits of 179,620 compared to my 7,545. If I wanted to put in the insane amount of time you have to obtain the same poker deposits as you, my withdrawals would be 923,247 compared to your 234,765 based on our current ROI's.

Are you really trying to dispute your poker ROI of 31% compared to my 514%? Good luck with that. What's next, trying to convince the forum you're winning our H2H challenge, when in reality you're trailing by 2,400+?

[Triple_D_Bet]

Ok, let's factor in time. You've spent way more time than I have with your ring games & rollovers, which is obviously the only reason your net is higher.

Oops, try again....many of us play ring games concurrently with tournaments, and even when we don't, we don't have to win much to beat your effective winrate (looks like it takes you about 8 hours a week to clear a bit less than 500 points). Anyone with half a brain can smash that winrate at a ring game...and when they do, they've demonstrated the skill to justify 100% of the winnings (unlike your winnings, which are 16% skill/84% SBR gift).

This is clearly evident with your poker deposits of 179,620 compared to my 7,545. If I wanted to put in the insane amount of time you have to obtain the same poker deposits as you, my withdrawals would be 923,247 compared to your 234,765 based on our current ROI's.

What part of my explanation above was unclear to you? Can you seriously read that and still not understand the difference between playing with a 500% bonus (which is all you do) and playing with a 0% bonus? Your experience obviously can't be extrapolated, since you don't seem to have the skills to play any ring game where you can't chop a pot.

Are you really trying to dispute your poker ROI of 31% compared to my 514%? Good luck with that. What's next, trying to convince the forum you're winning our H2H challenge, when in reality you're trailing by 2,400+?

There's nothing to dispute; your skill-based ROI is 10-15%, with the rest just a bonus from SBR. In contrast, those of us who play ring earn 100% of our winnings from skill, and as we've previously established, there's no additional "investment" incurred by buying in with the same bankroll. But go right ahead and keep being too dense to understand this...or better yet, why don't you go to Vegas and berate cash game players for their terrible ROIs?

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Bobby will never get it, Trip... unable to comprehend what most everyone else does.

Will say, however, it's always entertaining seeing you everyone in these assorted threads with logic, intelligence, humor, common sense and proof.

I'm not the only one enjoying watching you administer daily asskickins so... CARRY ON PLEASE!

[Triple_D_Bet]

Bobby will never get it, Trip... unable to comprehend what most everyone else does.

Will say, however, it's always entertaining seeing you everyone in these assorted threads with logic, intelligence, humor, common sense and proof.

I'm not the only one enjoying watching you administer daily asskickins so... CARRY ON PLEASE!

Thank you sir! We agree on bobbo, but his thick-headedness is his best quality. I'm sure like me, you've always hoped to one day find a fish so dense he could be berated and glass-tapped forever without fear of improvement. Who'd have thought the great WW (wussywaves to donker, white whale to the rest of us) would be found playing penny ante poker out of a slum in jersey?

I'm predicting at least another 9 months of glass-tapping good times...although it's getting harder to drag an original thought out of him, might have to call in some more reinforcements...stand by!

[bobbywaves]

Apparently you're not one of the guys at the cash game with half a brain, as you're not smashing my win rate with your pathetic pt totals & ROI.

Why would I waste time my precious time playing without a "bonus?" You play in the same bonus tournies I do. The difference between us, you choose to donk off your bonus in ring games while spending more time doing so.

If you bet sports for real $ as I do, I must assume you don't accept sportsbook bonuses. Considering the way you handle your poker rollover much like CarSeller, you obviously wouldn't know how to properly complete sportsbook bonus rollovers for easy guaranteed profit as I do.

[bobbywaves]

Bobby will never get it, Trip... unable to comprehend what most everyone else does.

Will say, however, it's always entertaining seeing you everyone in these assorted threads with logic, intelligence, humor, common sense and proof.

I'm not the only one enjoying watching you administer daily asskickins so... CARRY ON PLEASE!

The only smackdown being administered, is the 2,400+ whooping I'm putting on Tripe in our annual challenge. Which will ultimately cost him 29k, pretty expensive lesson to learn.

Good thing you didn't join annual challenge Bite, you would be getting beat down as well. Love the mindless banter from guys getting crushed by Waves, most entertaining indeed.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Good thing you didn't join annual challenge Bite, you would be getting beat down as well.

And who said Bobby couldn't be funny! They stand corrected!

Ah yes.... my being in the hospital earlier this year and not playing the dailies for ~2 months certainly has you 'beating me down'... but I take comfort in knowing that I'm beating down Hellmuth & Ivey here so all's good. Who cares if they haven't played!... I measure success by the ever maileable "Bobbo Rules" too! I'm fukkin AWESOME!!!

Oh, and just FYI cuz you seem to love and revel in this kinda shit: 2012 was my 1st full calendar year at SBR. Fact --- I lead your precious Leaderboard a lot of the year and in the last week Arun went ahead of me and I finished #2 for the year ~200pts behind. Last year, IIRC, I believe I was 6th for the year... but I know I was ahead of you.

It does seem you CAN beat me down when I don't play. KUDOS! (just like how it's the only way you can beat ds)

How's our point standings compare for World Cup now that I'm actually playing? Oh yeah, thought so. Now add in the fact that I'm asskickin you in total points won from poker and points actually cashed out at the SBR store -- you could cash out every single pt you currently have, too -- and anyone that has a clue knows it's GAME.SET.MATCH. (Hell, anyone that has a poker clue and has watched me play and you play for more than 5 minutes knows who the better player is )

Love the mindless banter from guys getting crushed by Waves, most entertaining indeed.

Speaking of mindless banter, Woody & I respond to it in similar ways. Bite = Woody ... Bobby = Walken

(pay close attention to Woody at 50sec-56sec mark )

[eSTOXX]

Triple_D_Bet can You please clear some space cause You cannot accept further messages and I want to send You a message.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Apparently you're not one of the guys at the cash game with half a brain, as you're not smashing my win rate with your pathetic pt totals & ROI.

Why would I waste time my precious time playing without a "bonus?" You play in the same bonus tournies I do. The difference between us, you choose to donk off your bonus in ring games while spending more time doing so.

If you bet sports for real $ as I do, I must assume you don't accept sportsbook bonuses. Considering the way you handle your poker rollover much like CarSeller, you obviously wouldn't know how to properly complete sportsbook bonus rollovers for easy guaranteed profit as I do.

I and others are smashing your winrate, but you're too dense to see it, even when it's laid out in front of you.

Nothing wrong with playing with bonuses...as you pointed out, anyone who bets sports is wise to take a bonus whenever they can. The difference is you're bragging about your "wild success" (making 20% minimum wage) with some made-up stats, but the vast majority of your winnings are the bonus. Comparable to a sports bettor making $20 in a year from betting, but clearing $1,000 in bonuses; nobody's denying he made $1,000, but it's extremely obvious that he's not more skilled than anyone who made more than $20 from betting (and especially not more skilled than guys who made more than $1,000).

Funny you should mention rollover; a big part of the reason I and others generate more points than you do is because we handle our rollovers better than you do. Chopping omaha hands might be good for a ridiculous ELO rating (haven't seen you bragging about that lately, did we finally get through to you on that one?), but it doesn't make you as many points as playing actual poker, hence why you're getting crushed in actual points wonand ​winrate

And who said Bobby couldn't be funny! They stand corrected!

See what I mean? You can tap on the glass all year long and this guy just doesn't get it, keeps thinking he's better than people who aren't playing and seems incapable of understanding that poker skill is 100% skill, 0% participation

Triple_D_Bet can You please clear some space cause You cannot accept further messages and I want to send You a message.

Done

[bobbywaves]

Funny you should mention rollover; a big part of the reason I and others generate more points than you do is because we handle our rollovers better than you do. Chopping omaha hands might be good for a ridiculous ELO rating (haven't seen you bragging about that lately, did we finally get through to you on that one?), but it doesn't make you as many points as playing actual poker, hence why you're getting crushed in actual points wonand ​winrate

Sure, it's possible to make more on your rollover grinding at a NL holdem ring game. What you conveniently leave out is the fact how much longer it takes. Those with lives who value their time are chopping Omaha, completing their rolls at a much higher % than you within minutes compared to your hours. This is clearly evident in your pathetic poker percentage gain of 31%, compared to my 514%.

Come January 1st, we'll see who else is crushing me in pts won & win rate. When I'll be collecting 31k in one day from our challenge.