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https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news...ificant-revamp
Just was wondering on everyone's thoughts about the way they are changing things for next year. Seems like a good thing to me.

48 person draws from 32 is a big deal. And only 4 people vying for 2 Qualie spots.

And from the looks of it the Futures is going to go by the wayside as far as ranking points..

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I also wonder with the match fixing scandals(Nicolas Kicker) etc..that (although they will never admit it) the ATP is revamping to fid a way to improve prize money and status to prevent people from fixing.

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So with the new changes starting in 2 weeks are there any advantages to us bettors as far as the draws and new rules?

[DavidGoliath5003]

So with the new changes starting in 2 weeks are there any advantages to us bettors as far as the draws and new rules?

Im not sure if i like this idea. For most of the challengers extending the bracket from 32 to 48 makes it a bit harder to now win the tournament. Are they increasing Prize money. Im not sure how they will raise the funds

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yeah and with providing hotel accommodations as well for all players I could see some tourneys go under.

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First Challys coming up and i have foun the entry lists for them from another site..

Challenger Noumea (New Caledonia, Hard), entry list:
80 Delbonis, Federico (ARG)
128 Halys, Quentin (FRA)
135 Rubin, Noah (USA)
146 Sugita, Yuichi (JPN)
159 Caruso, Salvatore (ITA)
164 Barrere, Gregoire (FRA)
166 Baldi, Filippo (ITA)
175 Milojevic, Nikola (SRB)
189 Rola, Blaz (SLO)
196 Robert, Stephane (FRA)
197 Janvier, Maxime (FRA)
198 De Schepper, Kenny (FRA)
202 Robredo, Tommy (ESP)
213 Coppejans, Kimmer (BEL)
216 Horansky, Filip (SVK)
219 Lee, Duckhee (KOR)
223 Giustino, Lorenzo (ITA)
224 Galovic, Viktor (CRO)
231 Brown, Dustin (GER)
233 Clezar, Guilherme (BRA)
236 Kwon, Soonwoo (KOR)
239 Sakharov, Gleb (FRA)
242 Harrison, Christian (USA)
249 Young, Donald (USA)
256 Ymer, Mikael (SWE)
259 Masur, Daniel (GER)
275 Chung, Yunseong (KOR)
276 Benchetrit, Elliot (FRA)
291 Marcora, Roberto (ITA)
297 Kwiatkowski, Thai-Son (USA)
303 Brkic, Tomislav (BIH)
305 Setkic, Aldin (BIH)
310 Lamasine, Tristan (FRA)
311 Altamirano, Collin (USA)
316 Gomez-Herrera, Carlos (ESP)
327 Takahashi, Yusuke (JPN)
ITF10 Crepatte, Baptiste (FRA)
ITF25 Barrios Vera, Marcelo Tomas (CHI)
ITF56 Torebko, Peter (GER)
ITF77 Petrone, Alessandro (ITA)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
Qualifying:
ITF83 Ornago, Fabrizio (ITA)
ITF87 Tokuda, Renta (JPN)
ITF95 Niklas-Salminen, Patrik (FIN)
(WC)
Alternates (ITF):
1. Lock, Benjamin (ZIM) ITF101
2. Hossam, Youssef (EGY) ITF 125
3. Sinclair, Colin (NMI) 132
4. Celikbilek, Altug (TUR) 133
5. Bortolotti, Marco (ITA) 134
Alternates (ATP):
1. Smith, Roy (USA) 329
2. Olivo, Renzo (ARG) 332
3. Wang, Tak-Khunn (FRA) 334
4. Tokuda, Renta (JPN) 338
5. Piros, Zsombor (HUN) 339Challenger Playford (Australia, Hard), entry list:
107 Sonego, Lorenzo (ITA)
112 Ruud, Casper (NOR)
127 Harris, Lloyd (RSA)
129 Menendez-Maceiras, Adrian (ESP)
133 Travaglia, Stefano (ITA)
145 Moutet, Corentin (FRA)
149 Ito, Tatsuma (JPN)
151 Moraing, Mats (GER)
152 Lestienne, Constant (FRA)
160 Dutra Silva, Rogerio (BRA)
161 Giannessi, Alessandro (ITA)
162 Koepfer, Dominik (GER)
163 Bublik, Alexander (KAZ)
165 Smyczek, Tim (USA)
168 Otte, Oscar (GER)
169 Vanni, Luca (ITA)
170 Laaksonen, Henri (SUI)
172 Krstin, Pedja (SRB)
178 Majchrzak, Kamil (POL)
181 Nedovyesov, Aleksandr (KAZ)
182 Quiroz, Roberto (ECU)
185 Safwat, Mohamed (EGY)
188 Escobedo, Ernesto (USA)
192 Moriya, Hiroki (JPN)
193 Evans, Daniel (GBR)
195 Watanuki, Yosuke (JPN)
200 Napolitano, Stefano (ITA)
201 Pavlasek, Adam (CZE)
203 Paul, Tommy (USA)
204 Donati, Matteo (ITA)
205 De Greef, Arthur (BEL)
206 Troicki, Viktor (SRB)
208 Molleker, Rudolf (GER)
209 Zhang, Ze (CHN)
210 Kolar, Zdenek (CZE)
211 Gaio, Federico (ITA)
212 Gutierrez-Ferrol, Sergio (ESP)
ITF19 Zhurbin, Alexander (RUS)
ITF37 Bega, Alessandro (ITA)
ITF71 Doumbia, Sadio (FRA)
ITF81 Eriksson, Markus (SWE)
(WC)
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(WC)
(WC)
Qualifying:
ITF83 Ornago, Fabrizio (ITA)
ITF99 Banes, Maverick (AUS)
ITF101 Lock, Benjamin (ZIM)
(WC)
Alternates (ITF):
1. Lopez-Perez, Enrique (ESP) ITF108
2. Li, Zhe (CHN) ITF130
3. Sinclair, Colin (NMI) ITF 132
4. Celikbilek, Altug (TUR) ITF133
5. Bortolotti, Marco (ITA) ITF134
Alternates (ATP):
1. Kamke, Tobias (GER) 214
2. Soeda, Go (JPN) 215
3. Hemery, Calvin (FRA) 217
4. Lopez-Perez, Enrique (ESP) 220
5. Moroni, Gian Marco (ITA) 227Challenger Orlando (USA, Hard), entry list:
198 Marchenko, Illya (UKR)
199 King, Darian (BAR)
222 Galan, Daniel Elahi (COL)
229 Krueger, Mitchell (USA)
243 De Bakker, Thiemo (NED)
244 Peliwo, Filip (CAN)
248 Gombos, Norbert (SVK)
251 Ignatik, Uladzimir (BLR)
252 Cid Subervi, Roberto (DOM)
255 Aragone, JC (USA)
258 Novikov, Dennis (USA)
262 Bonzi, Benjamin (FRA)
263 King, Kevin (USA)
264 Elias, Gastao (POR)
265 Serdarusic, Nino (CRO)
266 Bourgue, Mathias (FRA)
267 Zapata Miralles, Bernabe (ESP)
270 Tatlot, Johan (FRA)
271 Mager, Gianluca (ITA)
273 Ojeda Lara, Ricardo (ESP)
274 Broady, Liam (GBR)
280 Coria, Federico (ARG)
282 Uchida, Kaichi (JPN)
283 Oliveira, Goncalo (POR)
284 Taberner, Carlos (ESP)
285 Couacaud, Enzo (FRA)
286 Miedler, Lucas (AUT)
287 King, Evan (USA)
288 Grigelis, Laurynas (LTU)
292 Viola, Matteo (ITA)
293 Choinski, Jan (GER)
294 Safranek, Vaclav (CZE)
295 Griekspoor, Scott (NED)
300 Pavic, Ante (CRO)
301 Collarini, Andrea (ARG)
302 Sarkissian, Alexander (USA)
304 Przysiezny, Michal (POL)
ITF11 Reboul, Fabien (FRA)
ITF14 Souza, Joao (BRA)
ITF22 Jomby, Tom (FRA)
ITF24 Sels, Jelle (NED)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
Qualifying:
ITF28 Ortega-Olmedo, Roberto (ESP)
ITF31 Menezes, Joao (BRA
ITF38 Brouwer, Gijs (NED)
(WC)
Alternates (ITF):
1. Boluda-Purkiss, Carlos (ESP) ITF42
2. Mertens, Yannick (BEL) ITF51
3. Gomez, Emilio (ECU) ITF54
4. Muller, Alexandre (FRA) ITF75
5. Rinderkneck, Arthur (FRA) ITF79
Alternates (ATP):
1. Giron, Marcos (USA) 309
2. Gonzalez, Alejandro (COL) 313
3. Blanch, Ulises (USA) 314
4. Kozlov, Stefan (USA) 317
5. Ortega-Olmedo, Roberto (ESP) 320

What I wanted to start a discussion on is there any way we can get a good edge on the bookmakers for these. With only 1 qualie match each the 2 guys that make it into the main draw will not be as tired as before they had to play 3 matches. Could be some value there.
Also I see that for each tourney in addition to the main draw they are adding the 4 best ITF ranked players. Now before when they had 32 person draws they had 4 local young kids as wildcards in most tourneys who lost about 80-90% of the time. with these ITF players youre going to get some more than capable underdogs I think, and they will never have to play a top player or a seeded person until the 2nd round due to the 16 byes per tourney. So my theory is youre going to have these 2 qualifiers and the 4 ITF playing winnable matches in the 1st round. Could be some very good prices and money to be made. Thoughts?

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Im not sure if i like this idea. For most of the challengers extending the bracket from 32 to 48 makes it a bit harder to now win the tournament. Are they increasing Prize money. Im not sure how they will raise the funds

yes they are increasing the prize money. Now every player that makes the main draw gets a check.

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yes they are increasing the prize money. Now every player that makes the main draw gets a check.

Great work. Thanks for the info

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Only 2 days to go till we are up to our asses in Challys!!!

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Donald Young travelling all the way to thee South Pacific to try nad get some ATP points...LOL!!!

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I also wonder with the match fixing scandals(Nicolas Kicker) etc..that (although they will never admit it) the ATP is revamping to fid a way to improve prize money and status to prevent people from fixing.

That's exactly what they're doing. Makes sense.

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It all starts tonight!!

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I might try taking these ITF players every tourney if the prices arent to high..Theory tey are overall more Accomplished than these Local Wildcard kids and offer more value...I believe with the disappearance of the ITF coming soon that they will realize that this is theor opportunity to make a dent in their rankings...

Also remember only two qualifiers with more rest...

If a an ITF players is playing a Wildcard I will not play it..or two Wildcards are matched together I wont either.

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By the way all matches are now televised

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Through 3 tourneys..

ITF guys are killing it..12 wins

Qualies are 1-6

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Will update the ITF records today.But four challys this week.Big one in Newport with a purse of over 20k for the winner and 125 rankings points.
And clay getting going in Uruguay.Plus france and one in burnie.

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Dam that chally in south america is dirt baller central.Watch out for Dellien here..he is on a mission to make the top 100 and get into the FO