[jedihyoju]

This is the chat transcript I just had with youbetonit.

FYI, I made about 2k deposit to them about 2 years ago when they were having 200% cash bonus. (It was like x30 rollover, I don't know what I was thinking lol)
I remember they had positive review here and few of the members confirming they have been paid in full and
thats why I decided to deposit.
Unfortunately I lost the deposit , and today I logged in to find out if they are still promoting good cash bonus with decent rollover. However before chatting to the Youbetonit customer agent I logged in to SBR to see if there was any complaints regarding them. I found out this post
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...tonit-p13.html
that its been awhile that they actually paid.

so this is the transcript I just had with them.

[23:19]	yb3064: Account Number/Name : yb3064 Please choose : Deposit/Deposit Bonus
[23:19]	yb3064: hello
[23:19]	yb3064: anybody there?
[23:19]	Andrea has joined the conversation
[23:20]	Andrea: Hello
[23:20]	Andrea: How may I help you
[23:22]	Andrea: Hello
[23:38]	yb3064: hi
[23:38]	yb3064: I would like to know what kind of deposit bonus i can get
[23:39]	Andrea: Ok 1 minute please
[23:40]	Andrea: Are you playing from Korea
[23:41]	yb3064: yes, I am in business trip here
[23:41]	yb3064: I made account in United States and my residency is in USA
[23:42]	Andrea: Ok I’m just gonna ask a couple of questions
[23:42]	yb3064: deposited before here about 2k
[23:42]	yb3064: sure
[23:43]	Andrea: Where did you hear about us?
[23:43]	Andrea: Ohh wait you are not a new player?
[23:43]	yb3064: nope
[23:43]	Andrea: Are you?
[23:44]	yb3064: I told you earlier I made deposit here before about 2k few years ago
[23:44]	yb3064: Im sure you can check it?
[23:44]	Andrea: Ohh I’m sorry
[23:45]	yb3064: confirmed?
[23:46]	Andrea: How much are you planning to send Boss
[23:46]	yb3064: But first I have a question to ask
[23:46]	Andrea: Right, sorry go ahead
[23:47]	yb3064: I am a member of SBR forum and there is a post saying you guys have stopped paying customers for awhile now?
[23:47]	yb3064: is that true?
[23:47]	Andrea: No sir, if you deposit 2k we can pay 2000 per week
[23:48]	Andrea: Post is just some players that we caught cheating
[23:48]	yb3064: hmmm the people that made the post are respectful members of the forum
[23:48]	Andrea: I understand
[23:48]	Andrea: Ok, you can try us
[23:49]	yb3064: looks like you guys are aware of it. Howcome no reaction to it then if its not true?
[23:49]	YB has joined the conversation
[23:49]	Andrea: We can’t defend our selves on SBR
[23:49]	Andrea: They delete our posts
[23:49]	yb3064: I can only deposit if this is resolved
[23:49]	YB: Because we are not allowed to react to it
[23:49]	YB: We have tried before and sbr tore us apart
[23:49]	YB: I'm sure you can find the post somewhere
[23:49]	yb3064: so you are saying sbr has some grudge on you guys?
[23:50]	YB: That is how they do business. Either you are with them or they are completely against you lol
[23:50]	YB: Information nazis
[23:50]	yb3064: hmmmm
[23:50]	YB has left the conversation
[23:50]	YB: No only that one time we tried to do what you just said we should do lol
[23:51]	yb3064: I changed my mind Ill think about it
[23:51]	YB: What why?
[23:51]	YB: Just cuz we posted when we weren't supposed to?
[23:51]	yb3064: ?
[23:51]	YB: They are info nazis bro and US only so our hands are tied now
[23:52]	YB: So we have no way to get in business with them OR defend our. Do you understand?
[23:52]	yb3064: would you send money to a stranger that some people are saying don't pay?
[23:52]	YB: It's only a few customers. Do you think all of our customers are on sbr? Lol
[23:52]	yb3064: Its not like I never deposited here, I did deposited before so I think I have a right to ask
[23:53]	yb3064: right?
[23:53]	YB: Let me check
[23:54]	YB: Yes you have. But you also came on chat a few weeks ago saying you would deposit for a certain deal and when we got you that deal, you ghosted. Did you get our messages?
[23:55]	yb3064: well I had some business to take care of
[23:55]	yb3064: should I tell you I am sorry that I didn't send you my money? lol
[23:56]	YB: Well I'm asking if that's what you're doing now
[23:56]	yb3064: you are talking like I made a mistake lol
[23:56]	YB: No I'm asking if you are playing games
[23:56]	yb3064: isn't it customer's right to search options?
[23:56]	yb3064: and make sure the site is in good hands and my money will be safe?
[23:57]	yb3064: oh now you are accusing me of playing games>
[23:57]	YB: I never said that. Im ASKING if you are playing games or if you are for real
[23:57]	yb3064: Well I guess you guys are desperate of cash lol
[23:58]	yb3064: I made deposit of about 2k before wtf are you talking about
[23:58]	yb3064: well I guess sbr are true . I doubt they are nazis like you claim them
[23:59]	YB: So now we are not allowed to ask people what happened on their deposit they never sent without them getting all upset?
[23:59]	YB: They are. Ask any book not rated by them
[23:59]	yb3064: Don't have much more to say. I am sorry that I didn't keep promise to send you guys my money lol
[00:00]	yb3064: I won't be depositing
[00:00]	yb3064: take care bro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just felt like I had to notify other fellow members that they are calling SBR nazis lol Felt real fishy I recommend staying away from them

[Crusherrr]

I think it says a lot when not even I am willing to send a dollar to that site.

[Frank]

[23:47]	Andrea: No sir, if you deposit 2k we can pay 2000 per week
[23:48]	Andrea: Post is just some players that we caught cheating

This is the funniest part.

A broke book saying this when not a single player has reported a payout for over a month.

Every player owed, that isn't getting paid, is a cheater I guess.

[Optional]

[23:49]	Andrea: We can’t defend our selves on SBR
[23:49]	Andrea: They delete our posts
[23:49]	yb3064: I can only deposit if this is resolved
[23:49]	YB: Because we are not allowed to react to it
[23:49]	YB: We have tried before and sbr tore us apart
[23:49]	YB: I'm sure you can find the post somewhere
[23:49]	yb3064: so you are saying sbr has some grudge on you guys?
[23:50]	YB: That is how they do business. Either you are with them or they are completely against you lol

Please tell them that they are welcome to send a statement they want posted. Same offer made right after we deleted their ADVERISMENT posted in the slow pay thread.

Which was deleted like every other book rep who signs up and does that.




But what is the point when they are now outright stealing large balances from people?

And can ANYONE report being paid anything recently?

Apart from the OP there is also another current case where they accused a long time customer of "cheating" as after losing many thousands they went on a winning run and built balance up to over $50K. Guy is clearly just a normal player and has not done anything wrong.

These scammers, yes I said scammers, told the guy they are not only stealing his winnings but 5k worth of his deposits as well.

These are bad people. Full stop, no arguments left for them.


But please do tell that guy he is lying and he has been told he is welcome to make his case on SBR any time he wants to write an explanation to be posted.

[DontTailMe]

How many respected SBR posters haven't been paid? Seems like dozens. And that's just those who happen to post at SBR - nevermind everyone else who they aren't paying.

And we're supposed to believe that they were all cheating. Okay, if they were cheating, then how come you keep promising to pay them (and then don't)? That's not the type of behavior I'd expect if they had caught cheaters.

[Optional]

How many respected SBR posters haven't been paid? Seems like dozens. And that's just those who happen to post at SBR - nevermind everyone else who they aren't paying.

And we're supposed to believe that they were all cheating. Okay, if they were cheating, then how come you keep promising to pay them (and then don't)? That's not the type of behavior I'd expect if they had caught cheaters.

Many.

And I cannot believe I was sucked in to keep my mouth shut and "give them a chance to recover and make good" for so many months due to so many "respected" posters assuring me they were great guys and genuine.

We were all wrong, especially me. They should have been run out of town and black balled months ago when it first became obvious they were going down the drain.

But now they are just out right stealing from people. Loyal people who talked them up and supported and believed in them.

[jedihyoju]

They all of sudden call me boss when they ask how much I want to deposit



I mean SBR is the most repected forum and calling here cheaters?

hahahaha

[Mr. NBA]

Man.....this isn't a good look and hope to hell they get the pay train going again and all this shit disappears for all involved. I don't think they're scammers, but just got ran the penetrate over by some incredibly lucky/sharp action. I've dealt with a lot of scam operations in the over 2 decades of dealing with this biz. They just don't fit the scammer mold.


Best of luck everyone.....fingers crossed that people will start getting paid again. (including me)

[DiggityDaggityDo]

I bet YB is good in the sack.

Wait… YB is a chick, right ?

Optie???

[DontTailMe]

Man.....this isn't a good look and hope to hell they get the pay train going again and all this shit disappears for all involved. I don't think they're scammers, but just got ran the penetrate over by some incredibly lucky/sharp action. I've dealt with a lot of scam operations in the over 2 decades of dealing with this biz. They just don't fit the scammer mold.


Best of luck everyone.....fingers crossed that people will start getting paid again. (including me)

Maybe they didn't come into this intending to be scammers, but the most generous explanation which can be given at this point is that they've become an unintentional Ponzi. When you need new depositors to pay debts, that's the very definition, and that's where we've been at for many months. Also, the behavior some of their unpaid players are describing (making threats, saying they won't pay because player cheated or is too sharp, telling players not to post on forums, etc.) is that of a scam book. I'm sure they are desperate and that is what is driving this behavior, but that doesn't make it acceptable.

[thirteens013]

Maybe they didn't come into this intending to be scammers, but the most generous explanation which can be given at this point is that they've become an unintentional Ponzi. When you need new depositors to pay debts, that's the very definition, and that's where we've been at for many months. Also, the behavior some of their unpaid players are describing (making threats, saying they won't pay because player cheated or is too sharp, telling players not to post on forums, etc.) is that of a scam book. I'm sure they are desperate and that is what is driving this behavior, but that doesn't make it acceptable.

Every thing in the parentheses is 100% true..I shouldn't be posting, they read them and immediately bitch me out on email

[thirteens013]

Many.

And I cannot believe I was sucked in to keep my mouth shut and "give them a chance to recover and make good" for so many months due to so many "respected" posters assuring me they were great guys and genuine.

We were all wrong, especially me. They should have been run out of town and black balled months ago when it first became obvious they were going down the drain.

But now they are just out right stealing from people. Loyal people who talked them up and supported and believed in them.

Can I ask a stupid and naive question? What do they mean by cheating? This isn't Back To The Future. How could I know the outcome of sports? I'm serious, what do they mean by cheating?

[Ksherm]

They paid me in full. Maybe not as quick as during football season.. But they paid.. There are worse books out there..

[DontTailMe]

They paid me in full. Maybe not as quick as during football season.. But they paid.. There are worse books out there..

But you got paid over a month ago, right?

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30816894

[Optional]

Can I ask a stupid and naive question? What do they mean by cheating? This isn't Back To The Future. How could I know the outcome of sports? I'm serious, what do they mean by cheating?

I don't know. It sounds like you are supposed to be just a regular bettor.

[jjgold]

[5918mike]

Can I ask a stupid and naive question? What do they mean by cheating? This isn't Back To The Future. How could I know the outcome of sports? I'm serious, what do they mean by cheating?

It's just their excuse to justify (in their minds) stealing your balance and not paying you. The crooks all use it and never fully answer what it actually is or how a bettor cheated, been there.

[DontTailMe]

It's just their excuse to justify (in their minds) stealing your balance and not paying you. The crooks all use it and never fully answer what it actually is or how a bettor cheated, been there.

Well, that's complicated because legit books who catch cheaters typically aren't going to tell them what they got caught doing. That's par for the course in the world of security. But given the circumstances, I think it's safe to assume that YouBetOnIt is full of shit.

[pimike]

My buddy got 2 large payouts.

However hasn’t played there for more than 6 months thank goodness.

[jedihyoju]

If my memory is correct I joined that site because of you posting a lot that they are awesome and pays on time 2 years ago.
Are you saying you got paid in full recently?
or sometime last year because there is not single person saying they got paid this year.
It will be very strange if you are the only person that got paid lol
secret agent?

[HedgeHog]

If my memory is correct I joined that site because of you posting a lot that they are awesome and pays on time 2 years ago.
Are you saying you got paid in full recently?
or sometime last year because there is not single person saying they got paid this year.
It will be very strange if you are the only person that got paid lol
secret agent?

Is English your second language? Mike clearly stated that his friend hasn't played there in 6 months, so obviously his payments were received last year. Instead of worrying about Mike's agenda, focus on yours. This entire thread is based on deceit and now lies. Your motives in the YBOI chat are crystal clear. You had no intention of depositing there, rather you wanted to get them in a "gotcha" moment that you could post here. As I say, your deceitful motives are obvious.

Now you compound your deceit with an outright lie by saying "not a single person saying they got paid this year". That is 100% FALSE. I suggest you read pages 9-11 of the other thread about YBOI, or better yet have someone read it to you because there are numerous reports of payouts in February and March of THIS year. I personally received FOUR $1000 payouts during that time frame.

So the only fraud you've exposed in this thread is yourself. Deceit and Lies from start to finish on your part.

[thirteens013]

They have $53k of mine. They have made zero contact with me.

I am exposing fraud.

[blackbox]

[QUOTE=thirteens013;30870514]They have $53k of mine. They have made zero contact with me.

You have to be a very patient person the let this happen ! May I ask - When did you request your payout - Optional is the best hope on this site- next start searching for help everywhere - If they were in CR -I would be on a plane. GL sir

[thirteens013]

[QUOTE=blackbox;30870606]

They have $53k of mine. They have made zero contact with me.

You have to be a very patient person the let this happen ! May I ask - When did you request your payout - Optional is the best hope on this site- next start searching for help everywhere - If they were in CR -I would be on a plane. GL sir

I wasn't able to. They froze my account just before I completed the $118k rollover. This was mid/late March. They're in CR but why waste money on a flight when they won't even talk on the phone?

[jedihyoju]

yeap English is my second language. You got problem with that?

Ok I have overstated that not a single person got payed maybe one person and dozen didnt get payed.

But you are potentialy damaging other guys by protecting them who are clearly a fraud.

Don't be a selfish guy just because you have fund tied up in there.

Fact is a fact amigo

[blackbox]

Visit The Gambling Judge Website gl all

[pimike]

Is English your second language? Mike clearly stated that his friend hasn't played there in 6 months, so obviously his payments were received last year. Instead of worrying about Mike's agenda, focus on yours. This entire thread is based on deceit and now lies. Your motives in the YBOI chat are crystal clear. You had no intention of depositing there, rather you wanted to get them in a "gotcha" moment that you could post here. As I say, your deceitful motives are obvious.

Now you compound your deceit with an outright lie by saying "not a single person saying they got paid this year". That is 100% FALSE. I suggest you read pages 9-11 of the other thread about YBOI, or better yet have someone read it to you because there are numerous reports of payouts in February and March of THIS year. I personally received FOUR $1000 payouts during that time frame.

So the only fraud you've exposed in this thread is yourself. Deceit and Lies from start to finish on your part.

Well stated!

[HedgeHog]

yeap English is my second language. You got problem with that?

Ok I have overstated that not a single person got payed maybe one person and dozen didnt get payed.

But you are potentialy damaging other guys by protecting them who are clearly a fraud.

Don't be a selfish guy just because you have fund tied up in there.

Fact is a fact amigo

LOL, you wouldn't recognize a "fact" if it bit you in the ass. The FACT is that 9 different SBR posters, not "maybe one" as you put it, reported receiving payments in the other thread (pages 8-11) between January and March of THIS year. 5 of them, myself included, reported receiving multiple payouts. In all, I counted approximately 20 payouts totaling about 20k. Yet you deliberately lie about this. First you state no one has been paid this year, and now you say maybe one. That's not a simple misstatement, it's an actual lie.

Everything you need to know is in that 14 page YBOI thread, good and bad alike. Trying reading it before you post again and embarrass yourself once more. Finally, I'm not protecting YBOI. Nor am I trying to get new deposits for them so that I can get paid again. However I won't stand for your obvious deceit and blatant lies.

Truth be told, there is absolutely no need for this thread as it contains no new information about YBOI. As such, it would be appropriate for SBR to merge the two, but I doubt it will happen.

[Optional]

Hey Hedgie, tell your pal Fred to keep SBR's name out of his mouth and he wont have to hear how I think Youbetonit are scammers and thieves.


They just stole 53k from a completely innocent person with no justification, they deserve to be sent packing. They are bad bookmakers and bad people. Con men are always likeable when things going well, so get why you are confused about this book. But they are proven thieves mate. Stop wasting time hoping they aren't.

Go back to page 1 of your thread with 20k of payouts (wow, amazing, 20k total eh) and look for my warning about what would happen with the Betislands level bonuses and zero player management. You should have seen that as clearly as me with your experience.


You should be apologizing for spending months trying to encourage people this scam operation was legit, not acting all indignant someone would dare post a copy/paste of these idiots calling out SBR as Nazis.

Don't say shit if they don't want to back it up and own it would be my advice.

Ask Fred how he thinks his plan to smear us is working out for him whilst chatting too eh.

[HedgeHog]

Hey Hedgie, tell your pal Fred to keep SBR's name out of his mouth and he wont have to hear how I think Youbetonit are scammers and thieves.


They just stole 53k from a completely innocent person with no justification, they deserve to be sent packing. They are bad bookmakers and bad people. Con men are always likeable when things going well, so get why you are confused about this book. But they are proven thieves mate. Stop wasting time hoping they aren't.

Go back to page 1 of your thread with 20k of payouts (wow, amazing, 20k total eh) and look for my warning about what would happen with the Betislands level bonuses and zero player management. You should have seen that as clearly as me with your experience.


You should be apologizing for spending months trying to encourage people this scam operation was legit, not acting all indignant someone would dare post a copy/paste of these idiots calling out SBR as Nazis.

Don't say shit if they don't want to back it up and own it would be my advice.

Ask Fred how he thinks his plan to smear us is working out for him whilst chatting too eh.

I have no issues with you, Opti. You've been very patient up until this "Nazi" crap hit the fan. You did this out of consideration to the many SBR posters that play at YBOI and it was much appreciated. Like you I hate that term as it is so misunderstood and misused. Nothing today remotely resembles what Hitler's Germany did in the 1930's and 40's. To me, "Nazi" is the other N-word that people should refrain from using. And I HAVE passed this along to Fred and his help.

Regarding the OP, I do take issue. He should at least get his facts straight. Sure 20k is not huge, but it ain't nothing. Things are bad enough without his gross exaggerations. Posters are free to post their YBOI experiences--good, bad and ugly--I want to see it. All I ask is that it be truthful.

[Optional]

I have no issues with you, Opti. You've been very patient up until this "Nazi" crap hit the fan. You did this out of consideration to the many SBR posters that play at YBOI and it was much appreciated. Like you I hate that term as it is so misunderstood and misused. Nothing today remotely resembles what Hitler's Germany did in the 1930's and 40's. To me, "Nazi" is the other N-word that people should refrain from using. And I HAVE passed this along to Fred and his help.

Regarding the OP, I do take issue. He should at least get his facts straight. Sure 20k is not huge, but it ain't nothing. Things are bad enough without his gross exaggerations. Posters are free to post their YBOI experiences--good, bad and ugly--I want to see it. All I ask is that it be truthful.

I understand why you are pissed off. And also see that OP is stirring the pot with this thread.

It's not just this though, the 53k player is being badly mis-treated. I suspect someone in there just made a bad decision trying to help the business. Makes no sense why they say they are doing it and no one with experience could swallow what they are saying.

Maybe it would help the guy if you asked YBOI to explain their reasoning directly to you.

[DontTailMe]

Situations like this are tough. I obviously want the people here who I "know" to get paid. The problem is that I'm pretty sure YBOI has to recruit new sucker money in order to do that, and that doesn't sit well with me.

[ouzoun]

Putin owns Youbetonit.

[thirteens013]

I understand why you are pissed off. And also see that OP is stirring the pot with this thread.

It's not just this though, the 53k player is being badly mis-treated. I suspect someone in there just made a bad decision trying to help the business. Makes no sense why they say they are doing it and no one with experience could swallow what they are saying.

Maybe it would help the guy if you asked YBOI to explain their reasoning directly to you.

I would really appreciate that Hedgehog. I feel bad admitting this cus ultimately it was my decision but I decided to deposit there after reading the thread...the specific pages you mention in early March.

Fred refuses to speak with me directly...I've never spoken to him despite the site instructing me to speak with him originally.

[jedihyoju]

Putin owns Youbetonit.

If Putin owned Youbetonit,

They would pay their customers

lol