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Originally Posted by Jaug
You have never seen it? How about Bookmaker, 5dimes, sportsbook.com, bet pheonix and wagerchief. They all had the same lines would never think that betting canada -1 would be for regulation only. I did also have USA to win the the game and that was graded NO ACTION. IT WAS CLEARLY IN THE RULES not my grip.....I just think its STUPID.
This is correct and in fact I had this bet as well..... It should be stated in there rules. BOTTOM line is that if you are betting on Tennis, soccer or something you don't bet on READ the rules and if its NOT CLEAR (CARIB rules are NOT CLEAR) then don't bet it
100% agree. I don't normally bet hockey I would never think it wouldn't be the entire game.
[quote=blix177;3367767]Your saying it is an idiot rule, just because you didn't know the rules. Anyone that ever bet international hockey knows that it is regulation time only, unless otherwise stated.
Total BS Sportsbook.com/bet pheonix ALL took action on the game and it WASN't stated anywhere that it INCLUDED OT.
Matchbook did state the rule I don't bet hockey I didn't know the rule MY fault but I would never in a million years think that if you have 1 set of lines Unlike 5dimes and Intertops that it would be for regulation only. Its actually obsurd that a gold medal game in hockey is for regulation only.
You my friend are a moron. I'm dealing with it but I think its moronic that its not a standard rule.
Not true, OT included is standard in NHL.
Whether or not the rule is moronic or not is irrelevant, all that matters is that you must know the rule before betting.
I think that it is moronic that a baseball game that has already gone OVER is a refund if the game does not go 9 innings, but I know what the rule is and it is pointless to cry foul on an industry standard.
To be honest after reading this I had +1 on USA that was graded as a loss. I guess my grip should be with sportsbook.com for grading that NO ACTION. Sportsbook.com deoesn't say anything about OT included yet they are including OT in this game. For someone that knows nothing about betting on this sport I would assume OT would be included but I'm wrong. The industry should have a standard for this and TENNIS as well!!!!
The purpose of this post was to inform people that different books have different rules and that you need to read them before betting. Thats all. I dont' need a lecture of this and that....I would never think a gold medal game wouldn't included OT its stupid its a rule I get it. If you had never but baseball and you but over 9 runs in a game and it ends after 7 innings and the game is 10-9 and you push you would be upset its a mornic rule BUT every book uses this rule. Not every book was using the 60 mins rule. it wasn't clearly stated on MANY of the sites. Its an industry issue in my opinion. Won't happen to me again and I hope nobody reading this thread will have this happen to them.
In my experience...you guys seem to be having a couple different discussions at once. Assuming most books are universal (which they aren't):
OT isn't included in most bets, except ML plays. O/U bets actually do often include OT goal though, unless it is explicitly stated (regulation only).
NHL ML are action in OT because of the newly instated shootout rules.
NHL spread betting is usually for regulation only.
This game should have been graded as regulation only on most wagers that aren't ML. If I had USA +1, I'd be pissed if it was graded as a loss...at most, it is a push.
usa +1 couldn't have been graded as a loss? I had it graded NO action which come to find out is NOT the industry standard.
Right, but I'd like to add one last thing: There really is no industry standard when it comes to the Olympics. Some books use NHL rules, some use International, and no, the rules are not always displayed at the site. As I said earlier, you can't make assumptions here and need to ask the book which set of rules they are using.
That is all.
Good Luck cinpls081.
Are there any other American facing books that didn't include OT? I highly doubt it.
Nobody has answered this question - Does wagering on other international hockey leagues that don't regularly have OT have a 3 way betting with a draw option.
And yes, I knew what the rule stated at Matchbook. That doesn't make it any more intelligent. The book only offers NHL betting, no other leagues. The game format and scoring system in the Olympics is identical to the one used in regular NHL games. So what was the point of changing it?
Even more idiotic is the person or group who came up with a +1 line instead of +1.5.
I know some books offer +/- 1 lines, but that is in ADDITION to the +/-1.5 lines, not instead of. The reason is pretty obvious - if you have -1 AND include OT, that's gonna push I'd say close to 35-40% of time. Who was the genius who thought that was a good line to put up?
Every book simply copied pinnacle.
Yes, 3 way is typical.
Pinnacle offers numerous hockey leagues, and their rules state: "hockey games will be graded on the results of regulation time only, unless explicitly stated otherwise in the line offering."
They offer a section called NHL OT Included which are of course their standard NHL lines (they also offer reg time only). It is the only league they include an OT option on.
A good analogy to this is Men's tennis in the majors. Normally in international competition, men's tennis is best of 3 sets. In the majors, however, it's best of 5. \
Can you imagine if a book decided on it's own that they will grade men's wagers in the majors after 3 sets, because that's how men's tennis is normally played? How ridiculous would that be if that's how a book graded their primary betting line? While that might be an interesting prop bet, there's no way that should be how they grade their main betting line on the game.
Same exact thing with this game. Even if international competition normally doesn't have OT included, this tournament definitely should have.
Wagering rules should reflect the actual game conditions.
"Yes, 3 way is typical. "
That's what I thought, No OT should = 3 way betting. That is the most logical way to do it if you're not going to include OT. Not what Matchbook did.
No.
Pinny offers 3 way and spread on all int leagues. Both are reg time only.
There was some sick value out there due to confusion over these rules. My book gave me Canada -1 +110 and USA over 2.5 +110 both OT included.
Chuck Baby, Chucky Baby. I agree totally, but didn't you go ballistic on SIA a few years ago when they scored a draw in a boxing match you bet a loss, even though their rules were clearly stated that it would be a loss, and that is a common International rule vs American rule?
Different cultures in betting. Read the rules before betting.
Ya I was surprised my bet was only regulation but I had USA +1.5 so it ended well regardless.
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