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    ACE 84 SPORTSBOOK refuses to payout $11,000

    ACE 84 sportsbook is player/agent sportsbook. the sportsbook refuses to make the agent payout the $11,000 he owes me. as soon as i went up $11,000 the agent changed my account password and refused to pay me. which contradicts Ace 84 sportsbook's own rules and policies. "Any player's agent found to be participating in fraudulent activity (i.e. not paying players, deleted winning wagers, etc.), unfair practice or any other negative dealings which are not consistent with our policies, will result in an internal investigation."

    ACE 84 has done nothing and has blocked me from contacting them.

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    ugh sorry to hear

    when dealing with places like that, you have 2 possible ways of being screwed over

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    We provide player support and wagering services on behalf of our agent customers. We do not handle deposits or payouts on behalf of any agent, nor do we hold, nor are we the benefactor, nor are we the guarantor of any monies related to wagers.

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    meaning, you got robbed by an agent, so there's probably nothing sbr or anyone can do other than some vigilante justice on your part

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    "Any player's agent found to be participating in fraudulent activity (i.e. not paying players, deleted winning wagers, etc.), unfair practice or any other negative dealings which are not consistent with our policies, will result in an internal investigation."

    THIS IS ALSO ON THEIR SITE. no investigation was done and they still allow this guy to use their site

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    "Any player's agent found to be participating in fraudulent activity (i.e. not paying players, deleted winning wagers, etc.), unfair practice or any other negative dealings which are not consistent with our policies, will result in an internal investigation."

    THIS IS ALSO ON THEIR SITE. no investigation was done and they still allow this guy to use their site
    how do you know whether or not they did an investigation?

    they could've easily asked him, and then he says "i don't owe him anything he made that up" and you're screwed anyway. just like anywhere else, when i was selling on ebay people would keep packages saying they never received them and ebay sided with the liars 100%

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    Maybe they did maybe they didn't. but they have records of my account and wagers. they know he owes me. Anyway i just wanted to put it out there that these bookies/agents use ACE 84 sportsbook and want to be paid when you lose but as soon as you win, all they have to do is change your password, not pay you and ACE 84 allows this shit to happen and will still let these shady agents/bookies to use their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    Maybe they did maybe they didn't. but they have records of my account and wagers. they know he owes me. Anyway i just wanted to put it out there that these bookies/agents use ACE 84 sportsbook and want to be paid when you lose but as soon as you win, all they have to do is change your password, not pay you and ACE 84 allows this shit to happen and will still let these shady agents/bookies to use their site.
    it's definitely good that you are sharing, and sucks that you got stiffed

    there's a special place in hell for that agent, and hopefully he gets there sooner rather than later, so he can stop making others' lives miserable

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    what is this a pay per head site that locals use?

    regardless it states in terms
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    i just wanted to put it out there that these bookies/agents use ACE 84 sportsbook and want to be paid when you lose but as soon as you win, all they have to do is change your password, not pay you and ACE 84 allows this shit to happen and will still let these shady agents/bookies to use their site.

    AT MINIMUM THEY SHOULD NOT ALLOW THIS AGENT/BOOKIE TO USE THEIR SITE ANY LONGER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    i just wanted to put it out there that these bookies/agents use ACE 84 sportsbook and want to be paid when you lose but as soon as you win, all they have to do is change your password, not pay you and ACE 84 allows this shit to happen and will still let these shady agents/bookies to use their site.

    AT MINIMUM THEY SHOULD NOT ALLOW THIS AGENT/BOOKIE TO USE THEIR SITE ANY LONGER.
    it's a dirtball local not the site they use...i have locals in town that use sites similar and settle every week with a $200 positive negative balance...Just choose a better local guy plenty around esp at local poker games or racetrack OTB's but i prefer offshore

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    it's a dirtball local not the site they use...i have locals in town that use sites similar and settle every week with a $200 positive negative balance...Just choose a better local guy plenty around esp at local poker games or racetrack OTB's but i prefer offshore
    the locals around here are horrible thieves/slow payers... lose big and they need it NOW, win big and they will use every excuse in the book, probably the same everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    the locals around here are horrible thieves/slow payers... lose big and they need it NOW, win big and they will use every excuse in the book, probably the same everywhere
    locals in my area are pro's they run big poker games too pay big amounts out too...Funny I see so many regular guys that play poker or OTB's disappear cause they get stuck and cant pay the books or shark....I tell my local to cap me at $200 a week just to be safe as its just to easy to get stuck on credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlekona View Post
    locals in my area are pro's they run big poker games too pay big amounts out too...Funny I see so many regular guys that play poker or OTB's disappear cause they get stuck and cant pay the books or shark....I tell my local to cap me at $200 a week just to be safe as its just to easy to get stuck on credit
    that's a blessing

    stuff sucks around here, i was in a big omaha game that got broken up by the cops about 10 years ago where they seized probably 20k in cash, even though we were playing for chips

    all it takes is one jackass to ruin local poker games/betting... hopefully everything gets legalized eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    that's a blessing

    stuff sucks around here, i was in a big omaha game that got broken up by the cops about 10 years ago where they seized probably 20k in cash, even though we were playing for chips

    all it takes is one jackass to ruin local poker games/betting... hopefully everything gets legalized eventually
    Yeah really sucks that this guy stiffed me $11,000. But i also blame the sportsbook because they have records that he owes me and they still allow him to use the site.

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    whether it's an offshore sportsbook that pays it's players directly or a pay per person sportsbook that agents/bookies pay the players, its still a sportsbook that's involved in non payment to a player/bettor. We need to get the word out for players/bettors not to use ACE 84 SPORTSBOOK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    whether it's an offshore sportsbook that pays it's players directly or a pay per person sportsbook that agents/bookies pay the players, its still a sportsbook that's involved in non payment to a player/bettor. We need to get the word out for players/bettors not to use ACE 84 SPORTSBOOK.
    Ace 84 is just the random pay per head site your local uses..ace 84 doesn't take action terms are pretty clear..

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    horrible, sometimes may be difficult enough having to rely on book to pay but to go through a middle man is just too many hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    Yeah really sucks that this guy stiffed me $11,000. But i also blame the sportsbook because they have records that he owes me and they still allow him to use the site.
    Put the word out on the street. I guarantee he has someone he reports to and a that someone doesnt want any word of a "no pay" out there. Bad for business as no pay = no business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newton0038 View Post
    Put the word out on the street. I guarantee he has someone he reports to and a that someone doesnt want any word of a "no pay" out there. Bad for business as no pay = no business.
    i would do less talking and more harassing.

    if you know the guy, then contact everyone related to him, if he has a real job then disrupt it, etc etc

    if you're not willing to go beat the money out of him, then at least mess with his life

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    Quote Originally Posted by newton0038 View Post
    Put the word out on the street. I guarantee he has someone he reports to and a that someone doesnt want any word of a "no pay" out there. Bad for business as no pay = no business.
    I'm hoping the sportsbook will no longer let him use the site or make him pay me. That would disrupt his business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrxx2013 View Post
    I'm hoping the sportsbook will no longer let him use the site or make him pay me. That would disrupt his business.
    For about 30 minutes until he setup a new PPH account at another random site and told his players to move there.

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