[m1luby]

Over NCAA basketball season had a very successful season betting live action games. I would do so by anticipating a line change before the odds would adjust. I have filed complaint with SBR, but was wondering if anyone else has had their account disabled?

Below is the correspondence~

The concerns on your account relate to suspicious betting patterns on our NCAA Basketball and NBA live betting markets during the first portion of this year (2018). This triggered an investigation involving third party providers and their data sources, and we now have sufficient evidence to believe that these wagers were placed with the intention to exploit manipulated data feeds (either delayed or incorrect data), of which you were aware of to gain an advantage.

According to Paragraph 9 of our Terms and Conditions, this behavior equates to fraudulent activity and as such we will be permanently closing your account with sportsbook.ag, whilst also reclaiming payouts from these bets.

[Optional]

If you submit a sportsbook complaint form SBR may be able to help find out more for you.

[VeggieDog]

Cheaters never win and Winners never cheat.

[Craig22]

Taking advantage of their bad lines is not cheating lol. It's time for them to pay out since they wouldn't be saying this if he was losing.

[captrobey]

So they had the lines posted and they accepted your bet and now they are making excuses saying you had some sort of source where you knew what the score was probably going to be? That is insane. So basically they can say this to anyone that wins to not pay them. It is sort of like when someone wins money and they turn around and say you are not a recreational better . No proof whatsoever just excuses to not have to pay. I hope you get your cash then never deposit there again.

[Crusherrr]

They take really big bets on their live offerings. I've tried doing Heritage,Youwager,Bookmaker, Bovada and 5dimes live betting and Sportsbook usually takes bigger bets than any of those books. I'm interested in hearing how much money we are talking about. How much were you putting down on these bets?

[m1luby]

Here is the deal, if your site’s software is not built to stay up to speed on these live betting games, stay out of the game. Don’t blame me for fraudulent action and not pay me. The amount they are withholding is in excess of $20,000 by the way.

[Optional]

They take really big bets on their live offerings. I've tried doing Heritage,Youwager,Bookmaker, Bovada and 5dimes live betting and Sportsbook usually takes bigger bets than any of those books. I'm interested in hearing how much money we are talking about. How much were you putting down on these bets?

It sounds like they suspect match spotters were delaying info reporting to allow others to get bets in on sure winners and the OP hit a suspect bet at the right moment in time.

[Crusherrr]

Here is the deal, if your site’s software is not built to stay up to speed on these live betting games, stay out of the game. Don’t blame me for fraudulent action and not pay me. The amount they are withholding is in excess of $20,000 by the way.

I'm not blaming you but I can certainly understand why they are. You took advantage. You openly admit that. They should not have such big live betting limits if they aren't very comfortable with the lines and prices they are putting out there though. I agree with you on that.

$20,000+ is exactly what I figured when you mentioned it and low and behold that's the magic number you bring up. I play a lot and bet a lot on Carbon and Sportsbook and stand up for them more than most but betting this big and keeping this much on a D rated site also isn't wise by you. You obviously weren't getting these lines and allowed to bet high limits elsewhere or I'm sure you would have.

I would hope SBR could help you but SBR hasn't exactly had much luck dealing with Sportsbook.ag in the past so it's likely your SOL.

[Craig22]

All I can say is hopefully SBR can help you out, and if not, then they should be downgraded to an F. They could pull this BS to anyone that has won over 5 figures with them and come up with whatever excuse in the book.

[Crusherrr]

All I can say is hopefully SBR can help you out, and if not, then they should be downgraded to an F. They could pull this BS to anyone that has won over 5 figures with them and come up with whatever excuse in the book.

Except OP pretty clearly stated he was abusing their late line movements. Sportsbook should have realized and adjusted sooner but since they have such high limits who knows how many bets he actually made and how far off the lines actually were. I have noticed during free throws you can still bet before the line adjusts for the foul shots coming up. That's in many instances 1 to 2.5 difference in point spread alone if the person gets fouled in the bonus or on a shot attempt.

[SBR Drew]

When did you file the complaint? We certainly will look into this matter.

[m1luby]

Filed over a week ago

[SBR Drew]

Got it thanks.

[relaaxx]

Cheaters never win and Winners never cheat.

trump

[michael777]

Donald won fair and square,get over it

[m1luby]

Isn't the point of gambling to look for a line that you feel like is off or you have an edge based on your feel for the game? What is a bettor supposed to do, wait for the lines to adjust to some number that may or may not be more accurate?

[Optional]

Isn't the point of gambling to look for a line that you feel like is off or you have an edge based on your feel for the game? What is a bettor supposed to do, wait for the lines to adjust to some number that may or may not be more accurate?

If you are exploiting a technical issue they don't consider it gambling. It's a fine line though. If they are just asleep at the wheel it should be on them.

[mrpapageorgio]

If you are exploiting a technical issue they don't consider it gambling. It's a fine line though. If they are just asleep at the wheel it should be on them.

Not against you Optional, but I call BS on that argument if that's what they claim. OP isn't exploiting a fatal flaw in the game where it's fundamentally unfair to them. For example, he's not exploiting a pattern in how cards are coming out of the shoe because he realized the cards aren't shuffled. He's still gambling on the sporting event outcome itself (where the spread may not matter if it's a blowout) which has not been compromised by this circumstance, but is just getting better odds than what other shops are posting because SB was too slow to change theirs.

It's like saying I'm not going to pay your winning Blackjack hand at this $10 table because this table has 3/2 posted, but it turns out the $10 tables at other casinos have 6/5 posted and we haven't changed the felt on ours yet.

[Optional]

Not against you Optional, but I call BS on that argument if that's what they claim. OP isn't exploiting a fatal flaw in the game where it's fundamentally unfair to them. For example, he's not exploiting a pattern in how cards are coming out of the shoe because he realized the cards aren't shuffled. He's still gambling on the sporting event outcome itself (where the spread may not matter if it's a blowout) which has not been compromised by this circumstance, but is just getting better odds than what other shops are posting because SB was too slow to change theirs.

It's like saying I'm not going to pay your winning Blackjack hand at this $10 table because this table has 3/2 posted, but it turns out the $10 tables at other casinos have 6/5 posted and we haven't changed the felt on ours yet.

I didn't say he was exploiting a fatal flaw. It sounds like they think he was party to inside information to me.

But, in the legal world of online bookmakers they are licensed to provide gambling services. And it is not considered to be gambling by law makers if we use technical exploits to improve our odds of winning.

[vampire assassin]

If you are betting in-game, and your feed is faster than theirs, you will always "anticipate the line moves". It's basically a past-post. If that's happened, it's no surprise that you won 20k. If you know a team scored a "3", that might be a 25% edge in the 4th quarter on a spread bet.

[Crusherrr]

If you are betting in-game, and your feed is faster than theirs, you will always "anticipate the line moves". It's basically a past-post. If that's happened, it's no surprise that you won 20k. If you know a team scored a "3", that might be a 25% edge in the 4th quarter on a spread bet.

Sportsbook/Carbon/PO is always late to adjust for foul attempts coming up. So if a player gets fouled on a 3 think of the edge you get. Thats a 2-2.5 point edge on the spread or O/U they have posted for live betting.

[milwaukee mike]

If you are betting in-game, and your feed is faster than theirs, you will always "anticipate the line moves". It's basically a past-post. If that's happened, it's no surprise that you won 20k. If you know a team scored a "3", that might be a 25% edge in the 4th quarter on a spread bet.

exactly

i usually side with the player in disputes, but this is clearly past-posting/cheating

i'll put it this way... let's say you are at a baseball game and can beat the live betting moves. yankees/red sox at fenway, bottom of the 9th red sox are down 2 but have the bases loaded with 2 outs. yankees are -400 red sox are +320, when the red sox hit the walk off hr you quickly bet the +320 and magically win!

is that cheating? of course it is. just like betting when you know further info on a ncaa/nba game is cheating.