1. 02-02-10 04:20 PM #1
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    lay 104

    does anyone know if lay104 is a good sportsbook?
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  2. 02-02-10 04:47 PM #2
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    Where are all these books popping out from? never heard of it, and that's usually a VERY bad sign.
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  3. 02-02-10 04:47 PM #3
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    They are related to BetFirstClass. I haven't gotten a payout yet, but my limited experiences with CS have been negative - they do not know their own rules when dealing with deposit fees.
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  4. 02-02-10 05:18 PM #4
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    Didn't notice any banking options on their website, besides *******. Look forward to a report from you Justin on this.
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  5. 02-02-10 05:23 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    They are related to BetFirstClass. I haven't gotten a payout yet, but my limited experiences with CS have been negative - they do not know their own rules when dealing with deposit fees.
    Justin are you given money to deposit at ALL of the books that exist out there in order to get and know them?
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  6. 02-02-10 05:41 PM #6
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    I got a $1000 payout in six minutes through Moneybookers.

    So no complaints there.

    But I have stopped playing there, as they have me on a 30 second delay and move lines on me, even when it is a line available elsewhere. This is deadly when trying to play halftimes, I really don't need that. When you only have ten or tweleve minutes to get a bet in, delays can be costly, and cost you a number you could have had someplace else a minute sooner.
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  7. 02-02-10 05:45 PM #7
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    Pip, do you have to sign up to see deposit/withdraw options? They have Moneybookers? Neteller?

    How long before they delayed you?
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  8. 02-02-10 05:50 PM #8
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    Katstale, they are basically same as BFC with reduced juice on full games. I use moneybookers with them, same name as with BFC. I would PM Judge for further details. I don't think it is on their website.

    They have been whining about me beating them to numbers for months, you can see some of the old BFC threads about that. They think I am "sharp" lol, most books don't. They put me on delay after agreeing to move my limits up to a $1000 from the $200 they had me at previously.

    I am not really mad about this, they have a right to run their book the way they want. Delays are part of the game. I was just explaining why I am not presently playing there, that is all.
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  9. 02-02-10 06:07 PM #9
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    thanks
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  10. 02-03-10 12:04 PM #10
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    As a followup, no delays on my account last night or today (so far). All this without a barrage of IM's, phone calls, or even a single e-mail.

    So I am back happily playing there. They do have some good numbers at times, they always have.
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  11. 02-03-10 12:47 PM #11
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    Good news for you. I am with you, in that if they give you 104 and throw in some opinion, who needs a bonus. For smaller shops with good lines, I have np with a gentleman's agreement as to my max bet.

    As a linesman told me just two weeks ago, if a guy stays at 500 or less per game and is sharp. He becomes your unpaid employee---not an enemy. Some places just don't really get that.
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  12. 02-03-10 01:24 PM #12
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    Peep's accessment of Lay104 is right on target; "basically same as BFC with reduced juice on full games". While I can receive PM's here at SBR, my ability to respond to them has been limited so please contact the BFC office for my email address and I would be happy to answer any further questions that anyone has.
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  13. 02-03-10 01:28 PM #13
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    BetFirstClass has new management after its acquisition of Lines2Bet so that's a plus! They retained its GM Lex.

    Lines2Bet is a great value shop where you can still get high bonus offers and quick payouts, they cover fees on any deposit over $200 and offer 1 free payout per month.

    BetFirstClass offers super fast payouts like Peep attested to which is always nice. They pay fees on any deposits of $500 or more.

    Lay104 is a very nice reduced juice book with fast payouts. This is the book for any player who does not care about fees and just wants excellent lines and fast payouts. Not for the bonus player. *see lines2bet.

    All in all its a nice assortment of sister books that offer it all and unlike other C- rated books BetFirstClass has a stellar payout track record for nearly 3 years now. Same goes for Lines2bet and Lay104 which is the newest book in the family.

    Judge has a better understanding of what they all offer so PM him if you have questions or call my man Lex.

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  14. 02-03-10 04:08 PM #14
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    No API feed? I really hate the software that doesn't allow all the sports you want to look at to be on the same page. cumbersome for sure. any way around all the clicking and moving abt peep? Judge?
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    Katstale, your from the UK, right? The betting software utilizes a betting slip software which allows you to make multiple bets at one time without going into all the different sports pages, ect. I find it much less cumbersome. Put 5 bets in look them over, go with them or delete them at the same time vs going back and forth for each individual bet...

    As far an API is concerned, I'll make the assumption your talking about banking interfacing with the betting software. Moneybookers works without it pefectly, but I here what your saying. May be its something they should look into in the future.
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    As far as betting goes, I like the ASI software which allows you to look at your chosen sports all on the same page without having to move around to different frames. You refresh once and the whole page refreshes. It seems their software you have to go to each sport individually. Takes alot more time and effort to look for good numbers especially during prime betting times. I did not see how to accomplish that feat on their software. But if there is a way..... be glad to know that.

    As for API, thats a streaming feed of lines like you can receive at Matchbook or Pinny.
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  17. 02-03-10 06:08 PM #17
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    Anyone know what books lay104 does book to book transfer with, and anyone know the fees for outgoing book to book transfer?
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  18. 02-03-10 06:48 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by blix177 View Post
    Anyone know what books lay104 does book to book transfer with, and anyone know the fees for outgoing book to book transfer?
    BetPhoenix and Bookmaker.
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    Docta what are the transfer fees?
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  20. 02-03-10 08:40 PM #20
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    Tempted to try them but gotta be cautious this time of year I think.
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  21. 02-04-10 11:05 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by blix177 View Post
    Docta what are the transfer fees?
    Unless something changed its $25 for the transfer fee.
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  22. 02-04-10 11:09 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Richard View Post
    Tempted to try them but gotta be cautious this time of year I think.
    Keith, I know you'll be happy with any one of those books. Just contact Lex tomorrow so he can run you through it. Best vig in the biz and same day payouts can not be beat. Also, the book is run by the BFC and they have never had a single payout issue. Just contact SBR for more insight into it if your worried. Good luck and let us know how they treated you!
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