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    Online betting ban

    For those who follow this closely, what kind of impact do you think this will have on the current offshore betting shops?

    http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/b...a4bcf887a.html

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    There are quite a few reasons for not legislating a ban on internet gambling, and not sending people to jail over participating in the act of gambling.

    Probably for me the top reason is that studies have shown that out of 100 gamblers, maybe 3 can be considered pathological gamblers or problem gamblers.

    In a democratic society, you don't ban 97 people from doing something that's not harmful to themselves or anyone else because 3 people are having problems. And you certainly don't threaten them with fines and/or jail time.

    Write your friendly, reasonable congressperson and tell them so.

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    golden days of offshore gambling has been over for a while - been getting to 0 balance - only have small amounts in 2 places - would not surprise me at all if this idiot gets his wish to shut it down - only in the US. could this happen. land of the free

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    That article is unclear

    Vegas allows online gambling to a degree with phone apps

    NJ its legal now as far as poker and casinos online

    This bill is Vegas motivated

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    They can introduce all the bills they want , getting it passed and into law is a completely different story. This bill is 100% Vegas motivated will be difficult to pass if there are still many grey areas that exist.

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    Here is another article with more information:

    Why Sen. Heller’s Proposed Federal Ban on Regulated Online Gambling (But Not Poker) Will Be a Tough Sell

    By Chris Grove on February 20, 2014 16:34 PST@OPreport

    Sheldon Adelson’s push for a federal rollback of state-regulated online gambling appears to be bearing some legislative fruit.
    According to a report from the Las Vegas Review Journal, Sen. Dean Heller (R-NV) anticipates that a federal bill banning all forms of regulated online gambling – except for poker – will be introduced in the coming weeks.
    It’s not clear who will sponsor the bill.
    Heller asserted that there was “no daylight” between himself and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on the issue, implying that the bill had Reid’s full support.
    Reid did not comment for the LVRJ article.
    What would Heller’s bill look like?

    We can look to two pieces of legislation that have been floated, but never introduced, for a rough idea of what the bill Heller is describing might look like.
    The first is Adelson’s so-called “Wire Act fix,” also known as the Internet Gambling Control Act. Read a recently-circulated draft of that bill that here.
    The second is the bill floated by Sen. Reid and the now-retired Sen. Kyl in the 2012 lame duck session, commonly referred to as the “Reid/Kyl bill” and more formally known as the Internet Gambling Prohibition, Poker Consumer Protection, and Strengthening UIGEA Act of 2012. You can read a draft of that bill here.
    Poker unlikely to be only exception

    Heller only mentioned a carveout for poker when detailing his plans to the LVRJ, noting that poker “takes a little more skill.”
    But if the above bills are any guide, poker is unlikely to be the only exception.
    For example, the Wire Act fix draft contains an exemption for fantasy sports and advance deposit wagering on horse races.
    And the Reid / Kyl draft contained similar exemptions for horse betting and state lotteries.
    Chance of passage seems remote

    It’s difficult to see how a bill with these rough outlines would survive either the House or Senate.
    Just a few of the potential problems:

    • Delegations from states that already have regulated online gambling – especially New Jersey – will be inclined to push back with extreme force against any such measure.
    • Delegations from states in the advanced stages of introducing regulated online gambling – especially California, but including other large-population states like New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania – will range from fierce opposition to neutral.
    • It’s tough to comprehend how any Republican hoping to maintain credibility as an advocate for states’ rights could support rolling back existing state-regulated industries. Especially in an election year.
    • Depending on what exemptions do or don’t make it in, the horse racing industry (especially Churchill Downs and ergo Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell), the fantasy sports industry and lottery commissioners from around the country will line up against this bill.
    • And the more exemptions that are added, the weaker the support from social conservatives will be.
    • Speaking of social conservatives, the bill can easily be read as a massive expansion of gambling, opening the door to a near-nationwide online poker network. That’s not going to sit well with a wide array of groups.
    • Substantial tribal opposition to such a bill could also manifest (again depending on how the bill is constructed).
    • It’s hard to see Reid throwing his full support behind a bill that will earn the ire of much of his constituency – and financial backers – especially given his narrow win in 2010 against a candidate many considered to be fringe.

    In a nutshell: There’s some political upside to proposing this bill (most notably a trip to the Adelson ATM), but very little political upside to actually voting for it.
    The Wire Act and online gambling

    The LVRJ article echoes a common thread in reporting on regulated online gambling: that the reinterpretation of the Wire Act by the DoJ is what allowed states to offer online gambling:
    Heller and U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., have been working together to come up with a bill to restore the Wire Act, which used to prohibit Internet gambling until the Obama administration several years ago loosened the law to allow Illinois to offer lottery tickets online.
    This same thread is employed by groups like CSIG who oppose online gambling regulation.
    But that is not a wholly accurate representation, because the Wire Act never acted as an unambiguous, blanket prohibition on Internet gambling in all its unregulated and regulated forms.
    Read the DoJ’s opinion here and the text of the Wire Act statute here and you’ll see where things get fuzzy: the Wire Act only applies to interstate transactions. It says nothing about, and has no applicability to, intrastate transactions.
    New York and Illinois asked specifically about interstate transactions – transactions that involved an out-of-state processor – in their letter to the DoJ that precipitated the DoJ’s Wire Act opinion.
    The DoJ’s opinion also brought the agency’s interpretation in line with both the original legislative intent of the Wire Act (so the agency argues at length) and with the conclusion the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reached in 2002: that the Wire Act only applies to sports betting.

    http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/110...speed=noscript

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    Thanks men..good reading!!

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    The fact is this. Nevada wants to operate it's own on line wagering. This is just a set-up bill. It will never get to Congress because someone will introduce a "compromise" bill that allows on line wagering, as we know it today, to continue, but only with companies based in the U.S. The catch is that all of these companies must report the winnings of their players (and those are few and far between, if you guys are really honest about this) to the IRS. Remember, the Feds can and have shut down on line shops all over the world, as far as the US is concerned. The Feds can do anything they want to anyone they want. Do not forget that. The prisons are filled with people who did.

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    Heller, another fuking republican senator like Kyl
    Last edited by Scorpion; 02-24-14 at 01:20 PM.

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    I agree with you guys I doubt this ever gets past way too much red tape

    Also many politicians hooked into the casino industry with campaign donations

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