[docholiday555]

why is 1 vice rated a sa d +? i dont see anytihng said about it? i use them and now i ownder whats up. any help?

[cockblocker]

They pay. Good book for rec players or 2nd book due to low limits. If you win they limit you to $100 max bets. If you take the 100% or higher free plays and cash with 10 to 12x rollover don't plan on reaching your rollover by making large wagers. My max play is 250 after I complained about the $100 max. Its going to take lots of wagers to reach the rollover.

[dark star]

Very good shop the last few years.Good lines and rock solid customer service

[denn333]

Great promos and Top notch service make this a must have book for us recreational players.

[bigboydan]

Vice1 just went through some really trouble times with its former co-managers (aka: Mr.George who runs HRwager). Mr.Griffin use to book for EZsportsbook and is a Robbie Mcfail disciple (Zack) so always proceed with caution based on the Robbie connection. Now according to some reports floating out there in forumsvillie their has been talk that Mr.Griffin likes to post peoples personal information on the forums which is not professional at all IF true. Now I would post a link to these allegations however, it would violate the terms and conditions of the SBRforum in regards to other forum links being posted here (or so it was during my last tenure here).

Now as far as Payouts go... I don't see any current outstanding complaints on that front at this time.

[killawookie]

I get Griffin spam about 5 times a week for deposits. It's quite sad how desperate they are.

[5mike5]

thank god these books dont have my real phone # on only email..

so much easier not to be hassled daily

[thebookie]

Reply to thread from Griff, at 1 v i c e

1. killawookie Quoted as saying " I get Griffin spam about 5 times a week for deposits. It's quite sad how desperate they are. "


Although I do send out many emails I have always felt its better than calling players! I wonder if this guy also feels Coca Cola is desperate every time he sees a commercial on tv?


Not too mention that if he is getting spam from me he must have opened an account here at some point, I only email my data base. If you do not want emails from sportsboks Killawookie then my advice would be to stop opening accounts with them looking for freeplays lol


2. bigboydan Quoted as saying " Vice1 just went through some really trouble times with its former co-managers (aka: Mr.George who runs HRwager). Mr.Griffin use to book for EZsportsbook and is a Robbie Mcfail disciple (Zack) so always proceed with caution based on the Robbie connection. Now according to some reports floating out there in forumsvillie their has been talk that Mr.Griffin likes to post peoples personal information on the forums which is not professional at all IF true. Now I would post a link to these allegations however, it would violate the terms and conditions of the SBRforum in regards to other forum links being posted here (or so it was during my last tenure here).


Now as far as Payouts go... I don't see any current outstanding complaints on that front at this time."


He starts by saying I am a disciple of Robbie? In my eyes that is a compliment, I have learned more from Robbie in the last 2 yrs than I did in my previous 14 yrs in this biz... The guys is as fair as they come and I have yet to hear of him not paying someone?


This post also makes a very serious false claim about me, stating that I posted a players personal info online? What I did was try to warn the forums and my players alike to the possibility that they might be chatting and doing business with a know stiff and also a guy who was documented on a website for stiffs,, to be working with law enforcement in the New Jersey area. I only posted a google link to the claims and I should not be given the credit for outing this guy.


bigboydan does get a one things right here, when he states "Now as far as Payouts go... I don't see any current outstanding complaints on that front at this time."


Its funny to me whenever someone post something positive about ***** or the RDG family at SBR, the crooks over there will let the post stay up , but then when it seems posters are giving us props for good work sbr immediately sends in their paid shills to try and run us down lol

[looneytunes]

Seems overly sensitive. You would think being affiliated with Robbie M\*\*\*\*\*\* would of taught him how to better to swim thru crap.

[bigboydan]

Reply to thread from Griff, at 1 v i c e



2. bigboydan Quoted as saying " Vice1 just went through some really trouble times with its former co-managers (aka: Mr.George who runs HRwager). Mr.Griffin use to book for EZsportsbook and is a Robbie Mcfail disciple (Zack) so always proceed with caution based on the Robbie connection. Now according to some reports floating out there in forumsvillie their has been talk that Mr.Griffin likes to post peoples personal information on the forums which is not professional at all IF true. Now I would post a link to these allegations however, it would violate the terms and conditions of the SBRforum in regards to other forum links being posted here (or so it was during my last tenure here).


Now as far as Payouts go... I don't see any current outstanding complaints on that front at this time."


He starts by saying I am a disciple of Robbie? In my eyes that is a compliment, I have learned more from Robbie in the last 2 yrs than I did in my previous 14 yrs in this biz... The guys is as fair as they come and I have yet to hear of him not paying someone?


This post also makes a very serious false claim about me, stating that I posted a players personal info online? What I did was try to warn the forums and my players alike to the possibility that they might be chatting and doing business with a know stiff and also a guy who was documented on a website for stiffs,, to be working with law enforcement in the New Jersey area. I only posted a google link to the claims and I should not be given the credit for outing this guy.


bigboydan does get a one things right here, when he states "Now as far as Payouts go... I don't see any current outstanding complaints on that front at this time."


Its funny to me whenever someone post something positive about ***** or the RDG family at SBR, the crooks over there will let the post stay up , but then when it seems posters are giving us props for good work sbr immediately sends in their paid shills to try and run us down lol

Hi Sir,

Well that was a rather articulated well written response to my post but I'd sure would like his reply to this


Ater watching this video that the coach made way back when about some of Mr.Griffen's actions he's pulled over the years it's CRYSTAL CLEAR you shouldn't be playing at Vice1. Hell, that poor guy in the video wasn't gambling or even working anywhere or within this industry and he still went out of his way to harrass him by monitoring, ect, ect. (good thing reverse engineering logs back up these claims otherwise I wouldn't be mentioning it). Makes me wonder if somebody will notify this gentlemen about this thread and let him evalutate it and see if he wants to take some legal action over it. Hell, Mr.Griffen can't deny it because JJgold clearly mentions his name in that video at roughly the 2:45 mark he was indeed doing it and was even nominated by many SBR posters backing up these claims.

Now since it's common knowlege throughout forumsville that IIFOLD is really Eggnog (ask him the REAL reason why he changed his nickname) aka: Mr.Griffen it's probably yet another reason as to why they dislike Robbie Mcfail and his associates so much.


Let me as you this question sir.

Do you agree with Mr.Griffen's actions and would you play at any establishment he's associated with now and or in the future because I feel it's pretty clear this is just one of the reasons why Mr.George seperated himself from him in the first place because who wants to be associated with a person that would do that to an average joe type player who isn't cheating or commiting any crimes. Very unsettling isn't it?



BTW, Before Mr.Griffen's response back to me he better choose his words VERY carefully because he's stepping on eggshells and we both know why due who that video contents albeit, no crimes or compromising position was found now was there.

[sweep]

Hi Sir,

Well that was a rather articulated well written response to my post but I'd sure would like his reply to this


Ater watching this video that the coach made way back when about some of Mr.Griffen's actions he's pulled over the years it's CRYSTAL CLEAR you shouldn't be playing at Vice1. Hell, that poor guy in the video wasn't gambling or even working anywhere or within this industry and he still went out of his way to harrass him by monitoring, ect, ect. (good thing reverse engineering logs back up these claims otherwise I wouldn't be mentioning it). Makes me wonder if somebody will notify this gentlemen about this thread and let him evalutate it and see if he wants to take some legal action over it. Hell, Mr.Griffen can't deny it because JJgold clearly mentions his name in that video at roughly the 2:45 mark he was indeed doing it and was even nominated by many SBR posters backing up these claims.

Now since it's common knowlege throughout forumsville that IIFOLD is really Eggnog (ask him the REAL reason why he changed his nickname) aka: Mr.Griffen it's probably yet another reason as to why they dislike Robbie Mcfail and his associates so much.


Let me as you this question sir.

Do you agree with Mr.Griffen's actions and would you play at any establishment he's associated with now and or in the future because I feel it's pretty clear this is just one of the reasons why Mr.George seperated himself from him in the first place because who wants to be associated with a person that would do that to an average joe type player who isn't cheating or commiting any crimes. Very unsettling isn't it?



BTW, Before Mr.Griffen's response back to me he better choose his words VERY carefully because he's stepping on eggshells and we both know why due who that video contents albeit, no crimes or compromising position was found now was there.

what the fukk is that video supposed to show

[bigboydan]

what the fukk is that video supposed to show

It clearly shows that Mr.Griffen loves to stalk people for no ill reason at all sir. That's definitely NOT the type of person books or SBR wants to associate or do they sir?

[sweep]

It clearly shows that Mr.Griffen loves to stalk people for no ill reason at all sir. That's definitely NOT the type of person books or SBR wants to associate or do they sir?

did you click on your link man? Its a 3 min of JJ rambling about nothing

[Jnas]

R D G books paying like clockwork and they have to put up with this slander Anyone not playing at those shops should research "independently" to make their own judgement. Every sportsite has their favorite books I get that. but here they really go after 1 v iice and Americas boo ki e. Those shops are really on the rise, its a shame that because they don't advertise here they are always under unfair scrutiny.

[robmpink]

It clearly shows that Mr.Griffen loves to stalk people for no ill reason at all sir. That's definitely NOT the type of person books or SBR wants to associate or do they sir?

I thought 5 Dimes Tony said he was going to hunt someone down and kill them. I did watch the video and have the same reaction as the sweep guy. Thinking you know more of the story compared to us.

[sweep]

check-in bigboydan, that video link has got to be wrong...makes no sense. All I got outa that was a bunch of BS gold was spittin and one line where he said" there's an investigation going on at SBR", you need to elaborate cuz.

Ive talk to Griff on numerous occasions and he's always been straight w/ me, guy actually steered me away from BetIslands right before they went south. In turn I steered a few posters away from BI that would have lost their deposits.

Mikeyanks23 can vouche for that, saved him a ton of coin right before Islands folded, we need threads like these to help each other out but making accusations without back-up is slimey. Check-in danny boy..............

[denn333]

A number of guys I know have been playing at 1V for various amounts of time and we have all been treated extremely well. From awesome service to timely payouts its all been good. Probably best to make your own judgements based on actual experience.

[looneytunes]

Sam I have not hidden the fact that I run my business through a pph deal just like Griffin does
(your bf Zack is not the financial backer anymore, he provides the software only). I will say this, my net worth is at least 10 times more than the player balance.

In regards to the initial sentence of this paragraph below you will find the email that he sent me when he proposed that we split our partnership. I have only edited the money figures and some processor names for security reasons. The guy basically blamed me for the cc processors stiffing us, yes I was in charge and yes they do stiff books all the time. We both chose to split our partnership and I think we both could not be happier about it.

On Feb 27, 2013 10:34 AM, "Griffin" <griffin@*****.ag> wrote:
Now I am just thinking aloud here understand, SO DONT GET ALL RILED UP!

I think you and I might be heading in different directions at this point, I know you say your happy with the money we have been earning, but the reason for your happiness is that its all going through your hands, or will be at some point.

Me on the other hand I seem to have somehow become an employee here overnight?

I would like you to address the situations with the money I am owed;



You can see this is a lot of cash;

I really need this money George and I am tired to wait man. I understand that its not all your fault but the fact is that your in charge of all the processing and bank accounts and the responsibility.

I would like to set a date to start receiving my share of the money in payments of-course.

If this is not possible then:

Think about what we can do too solve these issues. We have a great thing going here bro and I dont want to let money issues ruin it,, but this is ridiculous.

If you and I can not come to an agreement to get this taken care of soon by Monday. Then I propose we end the partnership.

Meaning we split up all the office supplies and talk about you giving or selling me the ***** URL and brand in exchange for some of the money that's owed to me.

If we can not come together to work this out then I do not know what else too do?

Might be best for you to continue your pph deal with Robbie and I will make a new deal with him so we can both continue to go forward and not destroy everything.

You take the HR stuff and players and I take the Vice stuff and players.

Thoughts?

Thanks
Griffin
griffin@*****.ag
877-386-0180 ext 8006
www.*****.ag

One point of concern might be when a book conducts its private business openly on a forum (eog). It begs to question how experienced they are, or at the least, how well run they are ? Seems to be alot more info on these books on some of the other forums for anybody who is thinking about using them.

[Mikeyanks23]

check-in bigboydan, that video link has got to be wrong...makes no sense. All I got outa that was a bunch of BS gold was spittin and one line where he said" there's an investigation going on at SBR", you need to elaborate cuz.

Ive talk to Griff on numerous occasions and he's always been straight w/ me, guy actually steered me away from BetIslands right before they went south. In turn I steered a few posters away from BI that would have lost their deposits.

Mikeyanks23 can vouche for that, saved him a ton of coin right before Islands folded, we need threads like these to help each other out but making accusations without back-up is slimey. Check-in danny boy..............

Sweep is right. After he told me i told people i knew had money there and they were able to get it out. I got most of mine out of betislands and the few hundo i didnt Griff credited my account for with a small rollover. Hes always paid and paid quick.

But when we tried to warn the forum about what Griff informed us the posts were edited or we were attacked for having a vendetta against BI.

[tennisnut]

I think Tony actually posted peoples emails on this site before amongst other things. I have never played at 1vic.e but I will say Americas Bookie is my second fav book outside of Heritage. They have the best customer service in the biz

[bigboydan]

did you click on your link man? Its a 3 min of JJ rambling about nothing

Yes I did watch it Lkid and that wasn't the first time this has happened either I might add. Needless to say I've taken the high road every damn time but he went too far.

Might I suggest asking the coach what this is in regards to because, he clearly asked "IIFOLD, Griffin, Eggnog, ect, ect, ect what all this was about. I mean the coach even flat out asked him why he kept "fvcking with the guy" which clearly indicates it was done by JJ even though he didn't agree with it. Needless to say Mr.Griffin clearly needs to take some narcissists prevention classes because is O.C.D. is really getting the best of him.

Theirs a lot more to this but it's not for public consumption and I'll keep that in my back pocket for now however, I will say this much... The above was the reason why I even publicly mentioned my post to Mr.Walker about BetIsland albeit, I thought he would have handled it internally and possibly acquire a bailout but he didn't. Then when that database was posted online no book in there right mind would even touch it any a botched coverup attempt turned south to the point were some people are still talking about it.

Do you even want me to get started on the whole BTC thing because I'm not too happy about that either. Hell, I have other legitimate concepts but as you can clearly see now you know who to blame (Griffin) for those never seeing the light of day.

Interesting that Mr.George gave points to the coach for this video... Hmm, I guess he was as insistent on having the coach do it as Griffin was.

boatboatboat gave jjgold 2 SBR Point(s) for this post.

Roy Halladay gave jjgold 2 SBR Point(s) for this post.

hmm, and the plot thickens

[bigboydan]

I thought 5 Dimes Tony said he was going to hunt someone down and kill them. I did watch the video and have the same reaction as the sweep guy. Thinking you know more of the story compared to us.

Mr.Rob,

Their is a lot more to this story and I'd rather not discuss this publicly or even privately however, if you must know... it was just of common daily type conversation and a spycam didn't catch the person in a compromising position at all I'm happy to report. Then again that gentlemen is hip to the spycam type tactics that Mr.Griffen has a special fondness for.


I've taken the high road everytime on this but enough. Hell, even his own co-manager split their partnership so it should give you a better idea theirs a lot more going on behind the scenes (and that should stay that way) with Mr.Griffin than meets the eye.

BTW, I've stated on record many times that I've never had an Issue with Mr.Tony and I hope he makes things right as per your comments above because, if so then maybe my ideas would actually see the light someday. But the terms would be rather unique and the reason is obvious as you can clearly see.

[robmpink]

So boatboatboat is George D? I thought he was Gummy Bears at SBR? I didn't know Boatboatboat is George.

[robmpink]

Mr.Rob,

Their is a lot more to this story and I'd rather not discuss this publicly or even privately however, if you must know... it was just of common daily type conversation and a spycam didn't catch the person in a compromising position at all I'm happy to report. Then again that gentlemen is hip to the spycam type tactics that Mr.Griffen has a special fondness for.




I've taken the high road everytime on this but enough. Hell, even his own co-manager split their partnership so it should give you a better idea theirs a lot more going on behind the scenes (and that should stay that way) with Mr.Griffin than meets the eye.

BTW, I've stated on record many times that I've never had an Issue with Mr.Tony and I hope he makes things right as per your comments above because, if so then maybe my ideas would actually see the light someday. But the terms would be rather unique and the reason is obvious as you can clearly see.

Hey Dan, i tried looking into it just to try to get the backstory. That's ok about not sharing info. The only thing I found was about a guy trying to go from book to book saying he could bring them players in exchange for freeplays. Was this the incident in question w/ Ifold?

Whatever the case, the years I've observed you there was a reserved BBD. Something struck a nerve in you here. Classic BBD though to take the high road though.

[BigDaddy]

So boatboatboat is George D? I thought he was Gummy Bears at SBR? I didn't know Boatboatboat is George.

BBB is not penetrating george.

jeezus the shit discussed on these forums never end.

[robmpink]

BBB is not penetrating george.

jeezus the shit discussed on these forums never end.

Big Daddy, BigboyDan made a comment about George giving JJ Gold points for a video and copy and pasted the points sent showing Boatboatboat and Roy Halliday.


If you read what he typed it didn't make sense. Since the post didn't pertain to food I guess you don't read it well.

[robmpink]

Interesting that Mr.George gave points to the coach for this video... Hmm, I guess he was as insistent on having the coach do it as Griffin was.

boatboatboat gave jjgold 2 SBR Point(s) for this post.

Roy Halladay gave jjgold 2 SBR Point(s) for this post.
hmm, and the plot thickens

Either he messed up or he meant Boatboatboat or Roy Halladay is George. I don't know what it is, nor really care.

[bigboydan]

Hey Dan, i tried looking into it just to try to get the backstory. That's ok about not sharing info. The only thing I found was about a guy trying to go from book to book saying he could bring them players in exchange for freeplays. Was this the incident in question w/ Ifold?

Whatever the case, the years I've observed you there was a reserved BBD. Something struck a nerve in you here. Classic BBD though to take the high road though.

Mr.Rob,

It was just daily chit chat that was being monitored so the contents wasnt important however, it's not cool to go out of their way to hunt somebody down on the grid who kept their mouth shut for YEARS and then proceed to do it time and time again because, logic tells you that you don't wake up a sleeping giant to the point he can easily go to an outside source and do some major damage to an entire industy.

Hell, you know I'll break balls with everyone but when it comes to business I'm 100% professional and I don't break my word for nobody !

BTW, Should I go for it or no?

[bigboydan]

BBB is not penetrating george.

jeezus the shit discussed on these forums never end.

You can either spin it or play dumb all you want however, if you aren't "in the know" then hopefully the post up players will think twice before playing at these two establishments especially knowing the alligations are 100% legit. That footage don't lie sir.

[robmpink]

Mr.Rob,

It was just daily chit chat that was being monitored so the contents wasnt important however, it's not cool to go out of their way to hunt somebody down on the grid who kept their mouth shut for YEARS and then proceed to do it time and time again because, logic tells you that you don't wake up a sleeping giant to the point he can easily go to an outside source and do some major damage to an entire industy.

Hell, you know I'll break balls with everyone but when it comes to business I'm 100% professional and I don't break my word for nobody !

BTW, Should I go for it or no?

I'd say to weigh the risk vs rewards. Maybe there even isn't a risk or reward. You've been around awhile so I'm sure you'll make the best choice. If you have a juicy scoop I'd save it for when it best benefits you. That is just my input.

[robmpink]

You can either spin it or play dumb all you want however, if you aren't "in the know" then hopefully the post up players will think twice before playing at these two establishments especially knowing the alligations are 100% legit. That footage don't lie sir.

Well this is interesting a bit.

[BigDaddy]

Big Daddy, BigboyDan made a comment about George giving JJ Gold points for a video and copy and pasted the points sent showing Boatboatboat and Roy Halliday.


If you read what he typed it didn't make sense. Since the post didn't pertain to food I guess you don't read it well.

your just a barrel of laughs

penetrating retard

go penetrate yourself.

[robmpink]

your just a barrel of laughs

penetrating retard

go penetrate yourself.

I guess you didn't see the cheeseburger at the end of the threads in this post. Come on. You could do it. Read a bit more. Someone else replied to you.

Care to respond now?

[robmpink]

He won't because he doesn't know what to say or think. He could call me all the names he wants, but doesn't know what to think now since maybe what I interpreted is true.

Also, not to be rude. I can't f myself, but I'm sure with one of your thigh rolls you can.

[boatboatboat]

I have never heard of an issue where ***** didnt pay a player.

I am not George

JJ sure made a Frucked up Vid didn't he.