1. 09-16-13 02:30 PM #1
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    5dimes Prop Graded as a Push than a loss

    Last Night I bet on a prop for Total Punts in the Seahawks/49ers game to be over 9.

    1st of all I thought this was gonna be an Easy W, in the 1st half there was 8 Punts (if you count the blocked punt in the 1st Q). Than in the 2nd Half there was only 1 because Kaep liked throwing the ball to the Seahawks so much.

    After the game 5dimes, graded the Bet as a Cancelled but this morning I woke up and they changed it to a Loss.

    I don't want to complain, I'm at work right now but shouldn't they honor there 1st ruling? A blocked punt is still a punt.
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  2. 09-16-13 03:07 PM #2
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    If you look at the official nfl.com box score, it says each punter had 4. Are you sure the blocked punt would have been the 9th? I always thought the blocked punt counted towards the total but if you really think about it, it probably doesn't. If so, punters would get a 0 on that punt towards their average and that definitely wouldn't work. Based on the official box score, their grading seems correct.
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  3. 09-16-13 03:21 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478 View Post
    If you look at the official nfl.com box score, it says each punter had 4. Are you sure the blocked punt would have been the 9th? I always thought the blocked punt counted towards the total but if you really think about it, it probably doesn't. If so, punters would get a 0 on that punt towards their average and that definitely wouldn't work. Based on the official box score, their grading seems correct.
    I just checked the Box Score on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201309...alyze=boxscore

    If you go on the Bottom it will Say

    49ers 4 punts - 49.0
    Seahawks 5 Punts - 34

    ESPN has the same

    I don't have a problem but don't grade it as a push and than grade it as a loss 5 hrs later
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  4. 09-16-13 03:30 PM #4
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    this is an interesting one. blocked punts don't count for the kicker. jon ryan had 4 punts, but the team had 5.
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  5. 09-16-13 03:43 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lets_Get_Money View Post
    I just checked the Box Score on NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201309...alyze=boxscore

    If you go on the Bottom it will Say

    49ers 4 punts - 49.0
    Seahawks 5 Punts - 34

    ESPN has the same

    I don't have a problem but don't grade it as a push and than grade it as a loss 5 hrs later
    Hmm you're right, I didn't see that part. If you look at each kicker individually, it says 4 attempts each. Definitely an interesting one, could go either way.
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  6. 09-16-13 04:52 PM #6
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    a blocked punt doesnt effect a punter's avg so in that sense it does not count, i see the dilema here. imo this should have been a push.
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  7. 09-16-13 05:02 PM #7
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    Should be a push you would think, but it really could go either way as I doubt this is stated anywhere in the rules. Hopefully this establishes a precedent.
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  8. 09-16-13 06:12 PM #8
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    Got of the phone with them ... they won't budge.

    Told me that the initial grade was incorrect and that a blocked punt isn't a punt.

    I didn't want to get too upset over it, so I let it go
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  9. 09-16-13 07:35 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lets_Get_Money View Post
    Got of the phone with them ... they won't budge.

    Told me that the initial grade was incorrect and that a blocked punt isn't a punt.

    I didn't want to get too upset over it, so I let it go
    As long as they graded the under 9 as a winner, then they are okay I guess. I would ask for something in their rules showing a blocked punt is not a punt. Be polite but I wouldn't give up, cause honestly everything I see on the subject says it IS in fact a punt, but it is not recorded in the individuals stats. The prop was total punts, not total punts by (insert the two kickers name here).
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  10. 09-16-13 08:27 PM #10
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    Punting NO AVG I20 LG
    A. Lee 4 36.3 0 60

    Punting NO AVG I20 LG
    J. Ryan 4 34.0 2 58





    Punts (Number-Average) 4 - 49.0 Punts (Number-Average)

    		 5 - 34.0

    as per nfl website, just info
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  11. 09-16-13 08:32 PM #11
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    I know nothing of NFL but common sense says this bet isnt a loser. Results go on official stats from the league, and theres 9 listed.
    But it cant be the first time this has ever happened to someone?
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  12. 09-17-13 07:24 AM #12
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    Who the hell bets on punts????
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  13. 09-17-13 07:34 AM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoregoal View Post
    I know nothing of NFL but common sense says this bet isnt a loser. Results go on official stats from the league, and theres 9 listed.
    But it cant be the first time this has ever happened to someone?
    Grey area because those same official stats from the league credit each punter with four. My feeling is that bet should be a push because it should be based on total TEAM punts, since prop only reads "total punts" with team names next to it.
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  14. 09-17-13 09:36 AM #14
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    Nice fkn grammar in thread title dumfuukkk
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  15. 09-17-13 09:47 AM #15
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    NFL.com is the official source of stats for this game. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201309...alyze=boxscore shows 4 punts with stats for both punters. Seattle had 5 punts, which included 1 blocked punt. 8 successful punts, and 1 blocked punt.

    Is a blocked punt a punt? NFL.com defines a punt as "Punt: A kick made when a player drops the ball and kicks it while it is in flight."

    Whether or not it was blocked, NFL.com defined it as one, and included it in team statistics as one. If there is nothing else in the prop wording (or 5Dimes rules) explaining how it defines a punt, this wager should be graded as a push with 9 punts.
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  16. 09-17-13 12:33 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_orangekat View Post
    Who the hell bets on punts????
    Ignorance at its finest.
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  17. 09-17-13 12:42 PM #17
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    You got hosed. 9 total punts in the game and they told you to hit the curb.
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  18. 09-17-13 02:57 PM #18
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    8 "Successful" punts is your answer.
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  19. 09-17-13 02:58 PM #19
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    However many times my prop bets are graded wrong. They regrade them but sometimes you get a clueless csr.
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  20. 09-17-13 02:59 PM #20
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    8.5 punts

    over is a loser
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  21. 09-17-13 03:01 PM #21
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    Call tony at 5dimes and give him fukin hell,

    he will give fukin cave.
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  22. 09-17-13 09:35 PM #22
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    goodluck and hoping 5dimes consider to a PUSH or give you as bonus
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  23. 09-17-13 09:56 PM #23
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    this should have been graded a push. i would demand to speak to a manager.
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  24. 09-17-13 10:09 PM #24
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    Pushed the Under bettors - Graded Overs as a loss Would not surprise me
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  25. 09-17-13 11:32 PM #25
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    If you have a blocked punt that has to count as a punt. It's over under punts. 8 were returned 1 was blocked. This should be a push.
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  26. 09-18-13 12:28 AM #26
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    Please do bring it up to Tony and post the chat here. Will love to see it
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  27. 09-18-13 12:36 AM #27
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    I feel for you Lets_Get_Money... when I was young I use to wager props all the time. For this very reason you're having... I never wagered a prop again... It's been 4 years now. You can't trust how accurately a prop wager is going to be graded. I was in the same boat you're in... I thought I won clearly... and it was graded as a loss. Wager spread and totals... and you'll never feel empty or lost again.
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  28. 09-18-13 01:33 AM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by daringly View Post
    NFL.com is the official source of stats for this game. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201309...alyze=boxscore shows 4 punts with stats for both punters. Seattle had 5 punts, which included 1 blocked punt. 8 successful punts, and 1 blocked punt.

    Is a blocked punt a punt? NFL.com defines a punt as "Punt: A kick made when a player drops the ball and kicks it while it is in flight."

    Whether or not it was blocked, NFL.com defined it as one, and included it in team statistics as one. If there is nothing else in the prop wording (or 5Dimes rules) explaining how it defines a punt, this wager should be graded as a push with 9 punts.
    Nope, it is better than a push. Just to make things even more complicated under the definition of a punt, the bet is a WINNER.

    Lee punted after the safety in the 2nd quarter I'm pretty sure. (I was doing something else at this time and didn't actually see the play, but I'm be confident they punted, rather than kicked off). If you count that and the blocked punt, that makes 10. But a punt after safety does not make the box score or stats... it is a very grey area.

    I agree with you though - there is nothing in the rules about the punt having to be successful, just the definition you mentioned.
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  29. 09-18-13 02:42 AM #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gee View Post
    Nope, it is better than a push. Just to make things even more complicated under the definition of a punt, the bet is a WINNER.

    Lee punted after the safety in the 2nd quarter I'm pretty sure. (I was doing something else at this time and didn't actually see the play, but I'm be confident they punted, rather than kicked off). If you count that and the blocked punt, that makes 10. But a punt after safety does not make the box score or stats... it is a very grey area.

    I agree with you though - there is nothing in the rules about the punt having to be successful, just the definition you mentioned.
    A kick after a safety is a free kick.
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  30. 09-18-13 02:56 AM #30
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    I agree with everyone else should definitely be a push. Why 5dime would not use official scoring from NFL to grade the wager ... I have no clue
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  31. 09-18-13 02:57 AM #31
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    They are trying to punt, just because they fail isn't your fault
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  32. 09-18-13 02:59 AM #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by theballsflop View Post
    Please do bring it up to Tony and post the chat here. Will love to see it
    this
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  33. 09-18-13 03:02 AM #33
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    Like tto said, it would be $H|TTY to find out that they graded the UNDER a push or even worse a loss.
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  34. 09-18-13 03:09 AM #34
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    Think 5d uses nfl.com as offical stats
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  35. 09-18-13 03:35 AM #35
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    I think they use what ever stats suit their agenda when paying the less sharp side!
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