[playersonly69]

I have received payouts of over $9000 in the past year from betrevolution. And those payouts came from total deposits of around $1500. I was paid around $2500 each week for 4 straight weeks.

Each payout took around 2-3 days to process and receive the funds, not too bad.


I will admit that this book has had some unusual lines on certain games over the past year, but they never cancelled a bet that I took.



Not sure what to make of the most recent news, but it appears obvious that the players were betting bad lines or steam. The lines from betrev are not shown on any lines service so these guys would have to log in to actually see the bad lines. And somehow the guys ALWAYS take the exact same games?? Sounds a little fishy, but they probably deserve to be paid and then booted.

[Legions36]

I can say i have nothing but good things to say about them either. No issues being paid.
Not sure what to make of whats going on and not sure how they should deal with people trying to cheat them. How do books usually deal with this type of stuff in the past?

[playersonly69]

And you have to know that these guys knew this was against the rules!! I mean they were betting with different IP addresses and using proxies.


I can tell you that in my 700-1000 wagers at betrevolution I have MAYBE used 3 different IP addresses and ALL OF THOSE were within 20 miles of my house in Texas!! These guys are shot takers and are bad news for the sportsbook industry

[erickvivar]

I dont think anyone other than the the two guys on that thread had any complaints with them. SBR kept BetRevolution 4 years without upgrading them with no complaints and good reviews, now I'm sure they will be quick to downgrade.

BRev probably will not give a !$!@ about SBR knowing they will not get their blessing unless they pay.

[brendon]

i don't play at betrev anymore due to limits, but they paid me twice of 10k+ and a few more times of several thousands. i have also ran into a few problems with them in the past and their management was willing to investigate and work things out. so, i think the players in this case knew the rules and broke it. but i still think the book should pay them or work something out.

[Legions36]

U guys do realize from what i read, that it was 1 guys betting and using his friends accounts also to bet with as well?

[robmpink]

[QUOTE=playersonly69;18288098]I have received payouts of over $9000 in the past year from betrevolution. And those payouts came from total deposits of around $1500. I was paid around $2500 each week for 4 straight weeks.

Each payout took around 2-3 days to process and receive the funds, not too bad.


I call horse crap on this because I didn't see over 9 "BetRev is on the clock" posts by you during this past year.

[lecubs28]

lots of stupid posts in this thread

players only you a shill?

[erickvivar]

I was wondering the same thing about you lecubs, are you "shilling"?

Rob probably got his ass whooped at Brev and now is unhappy. But you? whats your agenda on this? you never played at BRev and last time i check you were ranting about the good spirit of steaming, so why popup your head and bitch when you have zero experiences with them?

[lecubs28]

because i think it is unethical when sportsbooks steal players' money

[erickvivar]

and when a player does is fair game?

[brendon]

The only thing about the OP post is you can't get $2500 per week. The max u can get is $822 per p2p method, which total $1644 per week. The other method is 2k and it's way longer than a few days to get paid

[lecubs28]

and when a player does is fair game?

the only time i recall a player stealing from a book was when that player took a withdrawal from betislands. i took the book's side at the time. in hindsight, sending that money back would have just helped fund jon's coke habit.

[Hankwins]

For BR to be right they would have had to oid action real quick. not take bets hoping they lose. then oh crap they have large balances let's investigate these charcters.

[InsiderHer]

SBR calling another sportsbook a scam? LOL. SBR will be quick to point its tainted finger at anyone that doesn't have it on its payroll.

But. For once I agree with lebcubs and can not find any language indicating syndicated players are not welcomed on the betrevolution platform. http://www.betrevolution.com/terms.aspx

Betrev should do the right thing and close the accounts they have determined are apart of the syndicate and pay out the players involved. It's a constant battle, but a serious book understands this risk and plans accordingly.

[erickvivar]

If you are a sharp and you are using runners, the sharp will have the bigger pot and the runners smaller ones because they are only used for a moment and then move on.

So yeah, only one has a big balance, the other two balances were 4 figures, and if the posts are right, they were being paid until found out.

[bobbywaves]

After reading everything my coclusion is this: BetRev caught these guys circumventing limits. If this isn't enforced you have another Bet Islands situation: shutting down & stealing everyone's $. I've been following the positive feedback of BR & have been considering a deposit. Their security actions & thorough explanations on this matter, will make me more likely to deposit there.

I'm not concerned with SBR's D+ rating & their stance that offenders should be paid. BetIslands proved these ratings aren't accurate & can't be trusted. SBR's stance is slighted, with no paycheck coming from BetRev. It's a shame BetIslands was irresponsible by not implementing the same securiy measures as BetRev.

[erickvivar]

Insiderher, if you read the post, they showed all the places where their rules said no to syndicated betting. On EOG, it seems one of the posters discovered that the main guy is a "Stanford grad working as a business analyst at a top bank" which I will assume is the sharp and their buddies the runners.

[InsiderHer]

Insiderher, if you read the post, they showed all the places where their rules said no to syndicated betting. On EOG, it seems one of the posters discovered that the main guy is a "Stanford grad working as a business analyst at a top bank" which I will assume is the sharp and their buddies the runners.

Erick, don't get me wrong, I think a recreational book should never take syndicating betting lightly. It don't matter if the guy went to Stanford and the EOG is no longer relevant. Runners don't even equate into the syndicates abilities to get an advantage over the book. The term would be beards. Did you take the time to read the T&C's? I even did a word search to see if the word came up...it didn't. Betrev should hire an English first publicist by the way, lol. It reminds me of the Bet911 days... Oh yeah I almost forgot, this had stupid written all over it from the get go. Serious newbies at Betrev and if that's the best they got, the future does not look bright for this book. Holy shit, the website makes my eyes hurt, LOL.

[erickvivar]

Apologies InsiderHer, i mentioned the main guys background just to point out which one was the head of the group operating the operation and using his buddies as runners to explain why one will have a larger pot than the rest. He will be easily singled out and because BRev doesnt let get big checks out on his payment options he is stuck with a larger pile of money, so thats why he needs to use runners to get more money out faster.

Section 3.1.9 covers collusion on their terms, which is the word they used on several parts of their report. Also every bonus acceptance page, has the lines for multiple accounts and bonus abuse through it. It is even more clear on their sportsbook rules http://www.betrevolution.com/rules/sportsbook.aspx items 13,14, 15.

[The Bishop]

I have received payouts of over $9000 in the past year from betrevolution. And those payouts came from total deposits of around $1500. I was paid around $2500 each week for 4 straight weeks.

No one is saying they steal from winners. They steal from +EV players.

[The Bishop]

Insiderher, if you read the post, they showed all the places where their rules said no to syndicated betting. On EOG, it seems one of the posters discovered that the main guy is a "Stanford grad working as a business analyst at a top bank" which I will assume is the sharp and their buddies the runners.

I do not know, nor to my knowledge have I even met, anyone who has ever attended Stanford.

[erickvivar]

Are you one of them? I'll assume behnke?

And yes, it was reported you guys said you dont know each other, but were "fearful" and now do know each other.

[InsiderHer]

Apologies InsiderHer, i mentioned the main guys background just to point out which one was the head of the group operating the operation and using his buddies as runners to explain why one will have a larger pot than the rest. He will be easily singled out and because BRev doesnt let get big checks out on his payment options he is stuck with a larger pile of money, so thats why he needs to use runners to get more money out faster.

Section 3.1.9 covers collusion on their terms, which is the word they used on several parts of their report. Also every bonus acceptance page, has the lines for multiple accounts and bonus abuse through it. It is even more clear on their sportsbook rules http://www.betrevolution.com/rules/sportsbook.aspx items 13,14, 15.

Thank you for finding the syndicated players rules. Syndicated players usually operate from individual IP's as to not attract unwanted attention. Dumb one's run bets into one account from multiple IP's. They should have read Syndicated Betting for Dummies. If a player or players are found to be apart of a syndicate what happens next? Shouldn't the book just do what the language of the site states? Why have rules if you don't follow up on them? Just playing devils advocate.

[The Bishop]

My network is locked, pretty sure no one else is playing from my IP address besides me. BetRev has never said otherwise. If bets on multiple accounts were coming form the same IP, then yes, that indicates that something is up, but Rev has never even accused us of that.

[erickvivar]

It seems BetRevolution removed from their original post more details on why they said you guys were related, ask them to make it public. It will make it more interesting for sure. SBR seemed to acknowledge you guys did knew each other, but you are saying thats not the case.

[The Bishop]

It seems BetRevolution removed from their original post more details on why they said you guys were related, ask them to make it public. It will make it more interesting for sure. SBR seemed to acknowledge you guys did knew each other, but you are saying thats not the case.

Copied and pasted form the EOG thread:

I "know" Peeig in passing in that we both post on twoplustwo and I talked to him about player props years ago after he posted this thread and it was clear he was doing well. He was friendly and helped me think about how to price player props and we have stayed somewhat in touch, although I do not know him "in real life" so to speak and do not know what all books he plays at or his betting strategy. We are not a syndicate. I have PM'd and become friendly with a lot of the regulars at the 2p2 SB subforum and most of them are winners as far as I can tell. I'm sure some of us play at the same books and have a similar strategy. That does not make us a syndicate nor cheaters.

Also, I have no idea who the other 2 guys listed in the OP are. Neither of these names is familiar to me and I assume they are just guys who line shop and possibly bet Wong teasers as well.

[InsiderHer]

My network is locked, pretty sure no one else is playing from my IP address besides me. BetRev has never said otherwise. If bets on multiple accounts were coming form the same IP, then yes, that indicates that something is up, but Rev has never even accused us of that.

Nothing against you Bishop, you're a dying subculture of gambling. Of course you're betting from different IP addresses. One reason you guys bet with dumb shops is the lack of enforcement. I get it.

[The Bishop]

you're a dying subculture of gambling.

Betting rogue lines? It's definitely becoming harder, no doubt.

[PharaohUB]

when will people learn. if you are a regular player who plays based on their own research you are fine at these books.

if you are out to take bad lines and hedge with another book to skim profits you will be caught.

nothing new here.

[PharaohUB]

learn how to make money by picking winners and read between the lines when books are going under and you have nothing to worry about. you will be paid

[The Bishop]

if you are out to take bad lines.

A bad line is +7.0 when it should be -7.0.

+6.5 -105 when everyone else has +6.0 is not a bad line.

[MonkeyF0cker]

when will people learn. if you are a regular player who plays based on their own research you are fine at these books.

if you are out to take bad lines and hedge with another book to skim profits you will be caught.

nothing new here.

learn how to make money by picking winners and read between the lines when books are going under and you have nothing to worry about. you will be paid

Let's assume that you can "pick winners." (Don't worry, I know that isn't the case.)

Book A is offering you -3 on that side. Book B is offering you -2 on that side.

Which book do you bet at? (Remember, this is a hypothetical. I know you couldn't afford to be funded at two books simultaneously.)

[touchback]

My 2 cents.... this is the time of year where more of the smaller books will scream beard or syndicate betting or steam... we all know why, right.

[Wilfred]

SBR ratings are simply not a place anyone should be getting info on what book to join