1. 12-19-12 11:11 PM #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    and why are you guys taking the video down?
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  2. 12-19-12 11:13 PM #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    Again, I don't think anyone has suggested that this video was filmed earlier this evening and Jon and the SBR guys are on the way to spend all our money. I think most of us would find it hard to believe that SSLP wouldn't have got some money out of this sinking ship in light of videos like this.

    Just so I understand - this video is SSLP and a bunch of guys who's affiliation with SBR is that of site users?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegePro View Post
    and why are you guys taking the video down?
    Probably because they contain innocent people who are being blamed for something that they were not a part of...
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  4. 12-19-12 11:15 PM #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Probably because they contain innocent people who are being blamed for something that they were not a part of...
    Were you in the video? you are too passionate in your defense of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Probably because they contain innocent people who are being blamed for something that they were not a part of...
    Um, no, I don't think that's why!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonDC View Post
    Were you in the video? you are too passionate in your defense of them.
    No. I was not.

    But I know the people in the video personally. I've already stated as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvesters View Post
    Um, no, I don't think that's why!!
    Think what you want then. But that's what has been happening in this thread.

    If you're affected by this, you're venting your frustrations in the wrong direction.
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  8. 12-19-12 11:20 PM #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    No. I was not.

    But I know the people in the video personally. I've already stated as much.
    If you were not in the video it's obvious you know them personally, it really seems to bother you that some might think they were BI employees..is one of them your bf? be honest, you can tell us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Think what you want then. But that's what has been happening in this thread.

    If you're affected by this, you're venting your frustrations in the wrong direction.
    Or is he?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonDC View Post
    If you were not in the video it's obvious you know them personally, it really seems to bother you that some might think they were BI employees..is one of them your bf? be honest, you can tell us.
    Clever. I'm simply correcting the misinformed.

    You're not even shooting the messenger here. You're just hoping to hit something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Think what you want then. But that's what has been happening in this thread.

    If you're affected by this, you're venting your frustrations in the wrong direction.
    I'm not venting at all. Even though I lost money, I can still look at this objectively and say the video came down because in light of recent events it really looks bad on SBR and not that SBR wanted to protect the innocent young fellas on their way to the whorehouse for blow and blows who for some reason couldn`t stop taking about SBR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvesters View Post
    I'm not venting at all. Even though I lost money, I can still look at this objectively and say the video came down because in light of recent events it really looks bad on SBR and not that SBR wanted to protect the innocent young fellas on their way to the whorehouse for blow and blows who for some reason couldn`t stop taking about SBR.
    It does not look badly on SBR - at all. THEY WERE POSTERS WHO MADE A VIDEO. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    Translation for ppl unfamiliar with sportsbooks: BI had some guys win and had no money to pay them so they said penetrate it and not only stiffed the guys who won but also robbed everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    bill shut the hell up already....ive seen where jon called himself the owner..also how do you know if he has the money or not? this whole situation has really shed light on yourself as a so called watch dog....only thing your doing is tricking the public to join a mickey mouse book that was paying you for a good rating...you classless dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonboss View Post
    bill shut the hell up already....ive seen where jon called himself the owner..also how do you know if he has the money or not? this whole situation has really shed light on yourself as a so called watch dog....only thing your doing is tricking the public to join a mickey mouse book that was paying you for a good rating...you classless dick.
    Billy is saying Jon has no money but others are saying that Ryan us claiming Jon took off with a bunch of money.
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    have billy boy tell us who the owners of BI were...not that he will tell the truth
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    What Dozer says has zero value.
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  18. 12-20-12 12:02 AM #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    Exactly how do you know this? And why was a post by SplitAces with a bunch of quotes from SBR_John and Lou, about how financially stable BI was, deleted. And, as long as we are at it, why have several posters with inside knowledge of the industry been banned by SBR. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE HIDING WITH YOUR DAMN CENSORSHIP?
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  19. 12-20-12 12:17 AM #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    How in the world do you know who has/doesn't have money from it?

    2 days after this becomes public how do you know the INS AND OUTS of who has money, how Jon was paid, what Jon was paid, etc.???

    pretty bold statement.. too bad you didn't tell us any details on WHO has the money of a lot of these posters...if you know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloverfield View Post
    How in the world do you know who has/doesn't have money from it?

    2 days after this becomes public how do you know the INS AND OUTS of who has money, how Jon was paid, what Jon was paid, etc.???

    pretty bold statement.. too bad you didn't tell us any details on WHO has the money of a lot of these posters...if you know about it.
    billy dozer has some of the money
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    From B to F rating overnight....my them ratings are subject to change fast
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  22. 12-20-12 12:31 AM #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    Yes, I'd like a statement from one of you guys.
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  23. 12-20-12 01:52 AM #93
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    Bill dozer is a loser. Losers defend losers. You can find old posts. They all knew each other. I have to withdraw all my money from legends because I don't want this shit to happen to me
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  24. 12-20-12 02:01 AM #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus84 View Post
    Bill dozer is a loser. Losers defend losers. You can find old posts. They all knew each other. I have to withdraw all my money from legends because I don't want this shit to happen to me
    Good decision..that A+ rating obviously doesn't mean shit..anything can happen to any book at any time..especially in todays offshore betting climate.
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  25. 12-20-12 02:36 AM #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus84 View Post
    Bill dozer is a loser. Losers defend losers. You can find old posts. They all knew each other. I have to withdraw all my money from legends because I don't want this shit to happen to me
    Legends is not like BI in any way,shape,or form.Google Legends and you'll not find one complaint.Google BI and you will see that the cat was out of the bag in November.Too bad when a few here tried to warn others that the shills here and SBR muzzled them.I have never trusted the ratings here and always use other sources to make a decision.Legends is one of the few that wont fukk you.
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  26. 12-20-12 05:18 AM #96
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    mods deleting all pics and vids related to betislands
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  27. 12-20-12 05:25 AM #97
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    I swear I've seen staff saying we dont censor at SBR. Oh the double standard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    I wonder how can you be so absolutely, positively, winner winner chicken dinner, 100% sure?
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  29. 12-20-12 06:24 AM #99
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    Bill became complete loser here.. lolz
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  30. 12-20-12 06:56 AM #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.
    Wow. Jon must have a lot on you guys. This post is like proof you and Jon were involved in some shady shit together.
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  31. 12-20-12 07:26 AM #101
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    isnt it funny that dozier can say that he knows that jon doesnt have any money directly or indirectly 2 days after this happened but yet this has been going on for over a month and sbr didnt know anything ????
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    It's clear Bill is lying. His comments are absurd. The idea that Jon holds no blame is just plain silly. Even if we accepted that Jon wasn't making a lot of money off of player deposits, Jon was front and center telling lies and soliciting more and more deposits as BI was circling the drain. Jon lied to get deposits. Jon didn't limit sharp bettors from the 1/2 pt promo because he had no intention of ever paying or because he didn't want them to try and withdraw. Jon created silly bonuses to keep the ponzi scheme going. When people came on here and told the truth, Jon accused them of being liars and bitter ex-employees. The idea that Jon is blameless here is completely absurd.

    The only reason Bill would be telling lies so easy to disprove is that Jon has information on SBR and has threatened to expose them. That's the only logical explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonboss View Post
    bill shut the hell up already....ive seen where jon called himself the owner..also how do you know if he has the money or not? this whole situation has really shed light on yourself as a so called watch dog....only thing your doing is tricking the public to join a mickey mouse book that was paying you for a good rating...you classless dick.
    +1

    Dozer's life mission won't be complete until his ratings screw players out of a combined 8 figures. Already extremely close to that # thanks to the nice checks from Cascade and Wsex. Go ahead already and upgrade Wagerweb to banner worthy level. Everybody knows some bullshit book is coming anyways
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    Bill dozer, jon posted here on sbr that he is the owner and founder of betislands and sbr confirmed it, back when he was still asking for deposits. Why is that not true anymore after all this shit? TheY went down with all the money and suddenly the whole owner/founder thing is not true anymore? suddenly jon is innocent and hasn't told a single lie ever? this is ridiculous
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  35. 12-20-12 08:26 AM #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by MBENZ View Post
    Legends is not like BI in any way,shape,or form.Google Legends and you'll not find one complaint.Google BI and you will see that the cat was out of the bag in November.Too bad when a few here tried to warn others that the shills here and SBR muzzled them.I have never trusted the ratings here and always use other sources to make a decision.Legends is one of the few that wont fukk you.


    I agree. The only complaints you hear about Legends or Bookmaker is -110 juice or fees to get payouts (which Bookmaker will reimburse with their points). And 20 cents lines at Bookmaker in certain instances. Welcome to old systems that have worked instead of places throwing cash at you in bonuses and giving reduced juice. You can't have it both ways. BI is exhibit 1.
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