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    In the long history of Heritage Sports, we have been recognized throughout the industry as having unparalleled integrity and honor in our dealings with clients and colleagues alike.

    When confronted with difficult decisions affecting our customers, we face them with the sole purpose of doing what's right by our customer while maintaining the sanctity of the Heritage name and the goodwill established over the years.

    The issue with Cory was no different and was approached with the same intent. When the issue came to light, we sought to investigate the facts, come to a conclusion on our findings and make the right decision based on the facts.

    Unfortunately, the facts unveiled a recognized pattern that became more than clear through an extensive review of the account activity, electronic communication, discussions with multiple other providers, as well as phone conversations with the registered account holder and the banned player we suspected to be operating the account. Our suspicions were realized and the relationship revealed itself.

    The facts as we know them are indisputable and without refute. With our commitment to good faith in dispute resolution, we agreed to provide all the relevant information to an agreed upon arbitrator. We exposed ourselves to the arbitrator’s decision and were fully prepared to adhere to the decision of the arbitrator.

    The arbitrator made his review and based on his findings, rendered a decision. His report and decision were published. Without pause, we paid the award according to the decision.

    The other party subsequently attacked the decision of the arbitrator and wanted to seek what we suspected was an opinion that would only weigh in his favor.

    With that said and with our reputation and goodwill being questioned, we sought a review from the foremost authority on Gaming Law issues in the land and arguably around the world. We contacted Professor I. Nelson Rose. Anyone unfamiliar with Professor Rose and his credentials can research them at WWW.GAMBLINGANDTHELAW.COM

    Professor Rose was provided the arbitrator's findings and decision along with an assumed statement of facts. We asked that he consider the information and provide an impartial review and issue a statement based on his opinion.

    I. Nelson Rose provided the following statement:

    "A player who is barred, yet continues to play using another player’s account, is violating the Heritage Sports’ Terms and Conditions. He may also be committing fraud. Heritage Sports is under no obligation to return the money the barred player deposited, let alone the money he won, while violating the site’s terms and conditions. In this case, the barred player agreed to arbitration and he selected the arbitrator. The evidence fully supports the arbitrator’s finding, that it was the barred player and not his mother who made the bets using the mother’s account. And the law fully supports the arbitrator’s decision that Heritage Sports did not have to pay the barred player the money he won while gambling while pretending to be a different person. Heritage Sports was generous in agreeing to return the player’s deposits. I do not believe there is any court that would reverse the awards of the arbitrator.”

    -Prof. I. Nelson Rose

    We hope that this satisfies those that may want to question our standing in this particular case and desire to find a just conclusion. In lieu of the further threats of legal action by the account holder, we will no longer be addressing the particulars of this issue publicly. We have retained all the information to refute any further claims and have accumulated more evidence to strengthen our position.
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    Thanks for posting this, lots of people have been waiting for it. Only remaining thing now is the receipt for the donation........

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    big LOL

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    Nelson Rose? The same lawyer who consults and does commentary videos for SBR?


    This would be like asking the sleazeball attorney for the Trayvon Martin family if George Zimmerman murdered their son.

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    Sharpcat you really don't know who he is?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._Nelson_Rose

    Prof Rose made the same point that this case ended on when Cory was offered a new arbitration with a licensed arbitrator of his choosing and declined. " I do not believe there is any court that would reverse the awards of the arbitrator.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    Sharpcat you really don't know who he is?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._Nelson_Rose

    Prof Rose made the same point that this case ended on when Cory was offered a new arbitration with a licensed arbitrator of his choosing and declined. " I do not believe there is any court that would reverse the awards of the arbitrator.”
    I know who he is, he is the same attorney who consulted SBR on the legality of SBR offering sportsbook freeplays eo US players in exchange for betpoints and the same attorney who does commentary videos for SBR.

    100% conflict of interest!!!!!!

    I would be willing to bet that Cory's attorney would disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    I know who he is, he is the same attorney who consulted SBR on the legality of SBR offering sportsbook freeplays eo US players in exchange for betpoints and the same attorney who does commentary videos for SBR.

    100% conflict of interest!!!!!!

    I would be willing to bet that Cory's attorney would disagree
    Sharp didnt you think it was ok that Wilhiem ruled to cheat Cory out of $46k or is my memory going bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    Sharp didnt you think it was ok that Wilhiem ruled to cheat Cory out of $46k or is my memory going bad?
    EZ at least offered evidence of a pattern of play that suggested Cory used a bot, Heritage seems to confirm that Cory has an unusual pattern of play.

    Heritage is not accusing Cory of using a bot, they are accusing him of controlling his mothers account. Heritage still has yet to show any evidence that confirms their suspicion to the point where the accused should have been required to prove their innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    EZ at least offered evidence of a pattern of play that suggested Cory used a bot, Heritage seems to confirm that Cory has an unusual pattern of play.

    Heritage is not accusing Cory of using a bot, they are accusing him of controlling his mothers account. Heritage still has yet to show any evidence that confirms their suspicion to the point where the accused should have been required to prove their innocence.
    It was a yes or no question actually. So lets see you agreed with Wilheim and his mystery witness in a sham case where no rule breaking evidence was ever produced, the hand history was never released.. ok, got it. I can see why you call yourself sharpcat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    It was a yes or no question actually. So lets see you agreed with Wilheim and his mystery witness in a sham case where no rule breaking evidence was ever produced, the hand history was never released.. ok, got it. I can see why you call yourself sharpcat.
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    There is nothing remotely shocking about this decision. Anyone with half a brain knew that Cory played the hands and should not be paid.
    Also not shocking is that sharpcat (and there will be others) doesn't approve of the decision. There will ALWAYS be a conflict on interest in his and others eyes who believe a scammer should be paid no matter what. I am very pleased that Heritage did not give in and pay this scum. I am saddened that Bet Islands (I believe) paid this guy and for that fact alone will not try them out.

    I can't wait for Cory to pursue legal action and have a huge lawyer bill on his hands and get absolutely nothing from it. I can't believe that people would question I. Nelson Rose's knowledge of such situations just because SBR sometimes gets his views on sibjects. Even if you do an objective review through Google you can see he is highly regarded for his stance on the gambling world.

    Heritage Insider please don't be baited by these nay-sayers who will continue to complain until the scammer is paid...Even if the Supreme Court found Cory guilty they would still complain to no end. Thanks for finally posting the end result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    EZ at least offered evidence of a pattern of play that suggested Cory used a bot, Heritage seems to confirm that Cory has an unusual pattern of play.

    Heritage is not accusing Cory of using a bot, they are accusing him of controlling his mothers account. Heritage still has yet to show any evidence that confirms their suspicion to the point where the accused should have been required to prove their innocence.
    come on, go back and read the thread, Mom changed her story everytime she was caught in a lie. We get it, you obviously think that barred players, or beards should have more rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looneytunes View Post
    come on, go back and read the thread, Mom changed her story everytime she was caught in a lie. We get it, you obviously think that barred players, or beards should have more rights.
    Why was his mother ever required to prove her innocence?

    She never changed her story she was absurdly required to remember her whereabouts and denied her relation to Cory when badgered.

    Is it really that hard to imagine that Cory would recommend his mother to play video poker at Heritage when they are one of the only casinos that offer a 9/5 payout and also have an 8% cash back bonus along with a fee 8th deposit?

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    Heritage...please post the receipt/confirmation of the charitable donation for the 43K (less what Cory was sent) so we can be done with this issue

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    I agree it likely was Cory, and Heritage shouldn't pay cause his Mom' story was beyond inconsistent (she couldn't remember what state she was in a month ago?). But would it be against the T&C for Cory to have coached his mom on how to beat the system, and then she making $$ off of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by penstothecup View Post
    Heritage...please post the receipt/confirmation of the charitable donation for the 43K (less what Cory was sent) so we can be done with this issue
    I wouldn't do anything with the funds until they verify this whole ordeal is done with from Cory's side. If he is dumb enough to get caught doing this, he's dumb enough to waste money on a baseless lawsuit. If they provide the funds to charity with a lawsuit being threatened they could have to pay a double whammy by having to also deal with the lawyers.

    However I do suspect that we won't hear from Cory again on this issue. He is caught with his tail between his legs and he got the deposits back already. He is already figuring out what book to hit next.

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    It's one guy's opinion. 'The world's biggest expert'. LMAO!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    I agree it likely was Cory, and Heritage shouldn't pay cause his Mom' story was beyond inconsistent (she couldn't remember what state she was in a month ago?). But would it be against the T&C for Cory to have coached his mom on how to beat the system, and then she making $$ off of it?
    "Likely"

    WOW!!!!

    What a great idea it is to tell unregulated offshore casinos that they are able to deny players of their winnings because they "likely" violated a rule.

    Would love to see how SBR ruled in this case were it sportsbook.com who felt a player "likely" violated their rules.

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    lets see, I am no expert on this situation ( no chit)...but by reading this and the subject or subject line is Cory instead of Mrs.(cory's last name) says to me right off the bat that it is Cory who Heritage is dealing with and NOT Mrs.X....that seems to be guilt right off the bat

    The issue with Cory............... that would only weigh in his favor............He may also be committing fraud...... let alone the money he won......

    btw was it cory or his mom who took this to arbitratio

    was written by a bi-polar person....who was not cory or cory's mom fyi
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    "Likely"

    WOW!!!!

    What a great idea it is to tell unregulated offshore casinos that they are able to deny players of their winnings because they "likely" violated a rule.

    Would love to see how SBR ruled in this case were it sportsbook.com who felt a player "likely" violated their rules.
    Cory is guilty, if his mom really wanted her 41k, and she deserved it, she would have found a way to get an itinerary for her flight. People make it seem like its a moral stand, but for 41k, please, it's about the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    Cory is guilty, if his mom really wanted her 41k, and she deserved it, she would have found a way to get an itinerary for her flight. People make it seem like its a moral stand, but for 41k, please, it's about the money.
    Not to mention "she" was so worried about it that after "she" got called out...she never posted in the 1000+ post thread either.. all of a sudden Cory is the mouthpiece of the operation.

    Before getting called out "she" was supposedly emailing Heritage and PM'ing Justin on this site...all of a sudden "she" disappears and only Cory is involved.

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    (Quote)I. Nelson Rose provided the following statement:

    "A player who is barred, yet continues to play using another player’s account, is violating the Heritage Sports’ Terms and Conditions. He may also be committing fraud. Heritage Sports is under no obligation to return the money the barred player deposited, let alone the money he won, while violating the site’s terms and conditions. In this case, the barred player agreed to arbitration and he selected the arbitrator. The evidence fully supports the arbitrator’s finding, that it was the barred player and not his mother who made the bets using the mother’s account. And the law fully supports the arbitrator’s decision that Heritage Sports did not have to pay the barred player the money he won while gambling while pretending to be a different person. Heritage Sports was generous in agreeing to return the player’s deposits. I do not believe there is any court that would reverse the awards of the arbitrator.”

    -Prof. I. Nelson Rose

    We hope that this satisfies those that may want to question our standing in this particular case and desire to find a just conclusion. In lieu of the further threats of legal action by the account holder, we will no longer be addressing the particulars of this issue publicly. We have retained all the information to refute any further claims and have accumulated more evidence to strengthen our position. (End Quote)




    Disagree vehemently with the "expert's" ruling that deposits can be kept. It's moot because Heritage aleady sent Cory back the deposits, but this statement makes the "expert" look like a total asswipe. In fact, it nearly mirrors SBR John's original opinion that Heritage should keep everything except the final deposit of a few hundred bucks.

    Keeping the cheater's deposits makes you no better than the crook. It's theft, plain and simple. Pains me say it, but Justin7 got it right in the first place: Both parties should be returned to their original position prior to the player's attempted fraud. This means winning are erased and expenses reimbursed to the Book. By no means is it a license to steal the player's net deposits.

    This is the expert opinion we waited on for months? Yuck.
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    Nelson Rose may be an expert at something, but offshore gambling is not it. The manner in which he addresses the confiscation of players funds is clear evidence of that.

    The only thing impressive about Heritage in all this is the OP's ability to type all that with one hand while looking in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heritage Insider View Post
    In the long history of Heritage Sports, we have been recognized throughout the industry as having unparalleled integrity and honor in our dealings with clients and colleagues alike.

    When confronted with difficult decisions affecting our customers, we face them with the sole purpose of doing what's right by our customer while maintaining the sanctity of the Heritage name and the goodwill established over the years.

    The issue with Cory was no different and was approached with the same intent. When the issue came to light, we sought to investigate the facts, come to a conclusion on our findings and make the right decision based on the facts.
    So the random number generator in your casino is flawed, and doing right by your customers is to not fix it but close the account of a player that got lucky?

    So what's right is not to fix the dam casino software but just deal with winners on a case by case basis deciding who to ban and who to let continue playing on your flawed casino software

    You throw words around like integrity and honor but coming from Heritage those are just empty meaningless words. You believe the integrity of your casino is compromised yet you continue to book action in your casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloverfield View Post
    There is nothing remotely shocking about this decision. Anyone with half a brain knew that Cory played the hands and should not be paid.
    Does corey have some magical powers to turn the odds in his favor and Heritage had to protect themselves from this magical power? Who cares who played, Heritage didn't care who played either until he won.

    maybe corey should take his lucky rabbits foot to vegas and use his magical powers to bankrupt the entire casino industry. No casino would kick him out for winning money on a negative expectation game. They would comp him the penthouse to keep him playing. Heritage closes his account and shows him the door. That doesn't raise any red flags with you?

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    you guys crying about an obvious fukkin beard by a banned player...its apparent the guy got all the logs and was an easy decision that cory was guilty...cory was doing his very best to sleeze some cash out of heritage before it went to any other arbitrators ...stop backing a fukking scammer... wake the fukk up people... sharpcat, i like you man, but you are 1000% off here ... and darkhorse is just a grumpy old fukk like me with nothing better to do than bitch about something... both of you are blind to the obvious, in this case

    kindred, it doesnt matter why they banned him...thats the bottom line...he got chucked, done deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    Cory is guilty, if his mom really wanted her 41k, and she deserved it, she would have found a way to get an itinerary for her flight. People make it seem like its a moral stand, but for 41k, please, it's about the money.
    Way to make a judgement based purely on hearsay

    I truly hope that after all of your posts in the think tank looking for advice from advantaged gamblers that should you ever be fortunate enough to win any money gambling that you be subjected to deep examinations of your location, blood type, and dick size before you are able to cash out your winnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raydog View Post
    you guys crying about an obvious fukkin beard by a banned player...its apparent the guy got all the logs and was an easy decision that cory was guilty...cory was doing his very best to sleeze some cash out of heritage before it went to any other arbitrators ...stop backing a fukking scammer... wake the fukk up people... sharpcat, i like you man, but you are 1000% off here ... and darkhorse is just a grumpy old fukk like me with nothing better to do than bitch about something... both of you are blind to the obvious, in this case

    kindred, it doesnt matter why they banned him...thats the bottom line...he got chucked, done deal.
    Raydog,

    I have always respected you as one of the few around here who actually has a clue.......but are you making a stance as an advocate for the players or as a bookmaker here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raydog View Post
    you guys crying about an obvious fukkin beard by a banned player...its apparent the guy got all the logs and was an easy decision that cory was guilty...cory was doing his very best to sleeze some cash out of heritage before it went to any other arbitrators ...stop backing a fukking scammer... wake the fukk up people... sharpcat, i like you man, but you are 1000% off here ... and darkhorse is just a grumpy old fukk like me with nothing better to do than bitch about something... both of you are blind to the obvious, in this case

    kindred, it doesnt matter why they banned him...thats the bottom line...he got chucked, done deal.
    Yeah you're right, silly me. Offshore is wild wild west anything goes, dealing a fair game has nothing to do with fairness or integrity.

    In fact having a random number generator generate random numbers is just silly


    To claim Heritage is being fair when they ban winners from their flawed casino while allowing people to play and lose in the same flawed casino is the exact opposite of "integrity"

    Also I see people calling him a scammer, he didn't have any better or worse chance of hitting a royal flush in the casino than you or I would in the exact same casino. He may be guilty of ********** scams in the past, but in this case he didn't do anything to freeroll or to cheat the casino. Playing under his mothers name didn't increase his odds of winning. It would only be a scam if he CHEATED the game not lied about his name which did nothing at all to increase his odds. So call him a lair and say he doesn't deserve to get paid for lying, not for scamming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    Raydog,

    I have always respected you as one of the few around here who actually has a clue.......but are you making a stance as an advocate for the players or as a bookmaker here?
    don't stop respecting him now, he's just trying to point out the obvious. It is possible to actually advocate for both. If we expect books to pay beards or banned players then whats to stop them from wanting ID's just to open accounts and creating other hoops for us to jump thru?

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    just an average joe that has read the same info posted as everyone else, sharpie... and i dont care what the book is... there was so much that killed his scheme... besides all the lies the mom told, when cory saw they wouldnt post the play logs (that obviously have them cold busted) he started posting all the emails and shit hoping to scam them out of money before it made it to another arbitrator... it was obvious to me what he was doing...

    sbrjohn was willing to risk his own money and let cory pick any arbitrator in the world... the entire world... and cory, knowing that he would lose, turned him down...john isnt in the business of losing money out of his own pocket, we all know that... they are very happy to get their deposits back

    afaik, this is the only place cory is banned, but i dont see him posting at the other places he was crusading at either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by looneytunes View Post
    don't stop respecting him now, he's just trying to point out the obvious. It is possible to actually advocate for both. If we expect books to pay beards or banned players then whats to stop them from wanting ID's just to open accounts and creating other hoops for us to jump thru?
    If they're going to demand ID's when cashing out, then they should demand the ID before opening the account, the same as any financial institution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter View Post
    If they're going to demand ID's when cashing out, then they should demand the ID before opening the account, the same as any financial institution.
    Bingo. This would eliminate so many problems such as multi-accounting.

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    sbr ruled in favor of a player who was explicitly barred but was still allowed to play via a software error. of course the book in question, sia, was not a sponsor, which is the big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrtelfan View Post
    sbr ruled in favor of a player who was explicitly barred but was still allowed to play via a software error. of course the book in question, sia, was not a sponsor, which is the big difference.
    $$ Thats sbr in a nutshell. $$

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