[Blondie]

Bet33 vs player in phone past-posting dispute

A Bet33 (SBR rating C-) player claims that $1,899 has been debited from his balance. The player states he logged into his account and found a note that all past-posted winning plays would be deleted. The player claims that Bet33 deleted all winning plays, but not "losing plays". Although the player has not expressly admitted past-posting intentionally, he acknowledged that he placed wagers via telephone and that each time a clerk accepted his bet over the phone. | Read more

[sharpcat]

How many shots did the player take at Bet33?



Obviously the player was fully aware that he was taking shots. I would expect Bet33 to do the right thing and cancel all past posted wagers and not just the winners but I do not blame them one bit if they drag the process out and make this players life difficult, past posting wagers is IMO one of the biggest scumbag moves you can make.

[Hankwins]

How many shots did the player take at Bet33?


Obviously the player was fully aware that he was taking shots. I would expect Bet33 to do the right thing and cancel all past posted wagers and not just the winners but I do not blame them one bit if they drag the process out and make this players life difficult, past posting wagers is IMO one of the biggest scumbag moves you can make.

what does past posting wagers mean?

[michael777]

betting after the event has started

[Hankwins]

betting after the event has started

I'd think that is nearly impossible and most definetly the sportsbooks fualt accepting the bet.

[dolson]

Once a teller confirms a bet it's on, if not how can a book delete just the winning wagers and count the losers !

[erickvivar]

I dont agree with Hankwins. You are taking a shot at the book. You know what you are doing.

If for example, Walmart puts an online offer for a IPad at $1.00, and 5,000 guys buys them (eventhough it is a clear mistake or error). Walmart is NOT obligated to honor that price, nor deliver the IPads. Cases like this one happened quite often and are always resolved on similar ways (cancelation or adjustment to proper price).

The book doesnt put expired events because they want to, for sure they are mistakes and can happen. Cancel all his wagers (including losing ones) and give some grief to the guy. Players like that make life more difficult for the honest ones.

[dolson]

Unfortunately for the player, they counted the losing wagers and deleted the winners, which sounds like all he got was balls across the face!

[sharpcat]

Unfortunately for the player, they counted the losing wagers and deleted the winners, which sounds like all he got was balls across the face!

How unfortunate for the player he tried to cheat the book out of money and ended up with balls across his face

[dolson]

How unfortunate for the player he tried to cheat the book out of money and ended up with balls across his face

[B1GER1C828]

"never to late to put a play in"...obviously this was going to happen...

[dolson]

It says the clerk took the bets over the phone, the clerk needs permission from a manager to do this, the managers approval should mean
the bet counts.

[Hankwins]

It says the clerk took the bets over the phone, the clerk needs permission from a manager to do this, the managers approval should mean
the bet counts.

scary place to deal with that would allow this o happen even once with computer technology today.

[Ez Money 77]

Okay I agree that a player shouldn't be able to past post but I think that this book is trying to take shots as well. If the bet loses they will just take the players money. If the bet wins then they will cancel the wager and give the player back his money. I don't understand how this is even possible to happen often? I mean when I call in to make a bet what if the game started 30 minutes before I thought it did? It happens. Sometimes the game starts at 4pm pst and not 4:30pst like I thought. When I call to make the bet at 4:20 I better be told "I'm sorry sir but this game is already off the board" If I don't hear that and then see the result later was a winner then I better have the winnings in my account. I think this is the books mistake and I honestly think they need to pay this guy all his winnings. Fix the problem and learn from your mistakes. I mean how can this keep happening unless the BOOK is the ones trying to take a shot ?

Also with the Walmart scenario that u went over. If 10 people got that Ipad for $1 before they figured out their mistake they aren't going to go to those customers after they paid for the Ipad and ask for the Ipad back. I guarantee that. I don't care if the customer hasn't even made it to the door when they figured the problem out they will let the customer take those Ipads. They will fix the error and other customers get it at the right price.

[erickvivar]

Following the scenario, many got the online confirmation, online receipt and CC charged. Just like the player got his ticket, got confirmation and "digitally" won the money.

Im certain if he gets paid he will not return the money if they find out later, just like they will not return the IPad and the store will not go and try to get it from them, they could and laws will back them up, specially if they have computer glitch, errors, clauses on their terms and agreements (just like all books have).

So, on this case, they got him before he got the funds (real tangible money), just like they found out before they shipped the IPads. Only problem I see here is that supposedly they did not cancel his losing wagers.

[TryingMyBest]

Give me your opinion on this scenario:

A book does not have their futures on a golf tournament scheduled to go off the board until almost 5 hours after the first guy tees off. You contact CS around two hours after the first player tees off and ask if it is still ok to bet futures for this tournament. CS says they have contacted wagering and you can still bet it. In tournaments that follow, this book continues to take futures off the board after the tournament has started. So you contact CS, get permission to still bet, and in future instances, the book continues to practice what most would consider "sloppy bookmaking". Do you see any distinction between this scenario and simple past posting or would they be equally bad?

[erickvivar]

Oh, and ALL books, have this clause in place, because it happens more often than you think. 5Dimes is quite famous for taking past post betting as stealing, and banning the player right away. The famous "a player will NEVER profit from past posting" clause.

[erickvivar]

I dont think the CS guy will ask everybody about it, he simply sees the line open and takes the bet. He doesnt go and ask if the time is correct or if they are still taking bets on it. They need to take hundred of bets and it is a very robotic process, they dont stop to wonder if this specific game you are betting on may have already started.

[TryingMyBest]

I dont think the CS guy will ask everybody about it, he simply sees the line open and takes the bet. He doesnt go and ask if the time is correct or if they are still taking bets on it. They need to take hundred of bets and it is a very robotic process, they dont stop to wonder if this specific game you are betting on may have already started.

So interesting when you think of the dichotomy between Nevada and offshore standards. One place is required to honor any bet they have posted. The other, even if you ask an employee if it is still alright to make a bet, you have to consider whether or not he really went through the necessary steps to give you a correct answer

[dolson]

Any time i've made a phone bet on a game that just started, the clerk always said, "let me check with the manager",and it was a done deal.
Win or lose it counted, you obviously can't pull that with a computer only wager.

[briancharlesgra]

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[JasonDC]

Gaza: Clinton works for truce 'in the days ahead'Israeli air strikes shook the Gaza Strip and Palestinian rockets struck across the border as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks in Jerusalem in the early hours of Wednesday, seeking a truce that can hold back Israel's ground troops.Hamas, the Islamist movement controlling Gaza, and Egypt, whose new, Islamist government is trying to broker a truce, had floated hopes for a ceasefire by late Tuesday; but by the time Clinton met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu it was clear there would be more argument, and more violence, first.Hamas leaders in Cairo accused the Jewish state of failing to respond to proposals and said an announcement on holding fire would not come before daylight on Wednesday. Israel Radio quoted an Israeli official saying a truce was held up due to "a last-minute delay in the understandings between Hamas and Israel".Who is Hamas? 5 questions about the Palestinian militant group.An initial halt to attacks may, however, not see the sides stand their forces down from battle stations immediately; Clinton, who flies to Cairo to see Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi later on Wednesday, spoke of a deal "in the days ahead".As she arrived in Israel after nightfall, Israel was stepping up its bombardment. Artillery shells and missiles fired from naval gunboats offshore slammed into the territory and air strikes came at a frequency of about one every 10 minutes.

Cool story bro..i always wanted to say that

[allin1]

They treated him exactly how he treated them. How do they say it... "What goes around comes around" ?

[BranchDavidian]

C'mon SBR! This thread is supposed to be a warning to your customers. If the name of the book is astericked out, we are not very well warned. Use a little common sense! Stupid policy. And, of course, the "read more" link goes nowhere - brilliant. Makes this whole thread started by a mod --- simply useless. I believe SBR does this to punish the book for some reason. I can name any sponsor book, like 5Dimes, with no problems. I can even name a rip-off book like Moore Games, and SBR has no objection. But for some reason, some books, like *****, we are not allowed to name ( as though it were a money processor -- as if the asterisks do any good ). So, now SBR's policy of free speech suppression, put in place to punish a few books( ostensibly to protect the customers from being influenced into depositing just because the bookies name was mentioned), has made it unable to protect those same customers. SBR has muzzled itself with this policy. This policy hurts not only SBR --- but all of us.

[jb456223]

1st need to know the books rules but yes all books have the past post rule so they are voided. As for the CS agent they don't confirm what time the game kicks of there is 100s of bets on different sports up. If they go to the game you requested a see it there its open because the line maker forgot to close it or for whatever reason the system did not do it automatically. Standard they should void the loss bets and return his money but they will only do it a few days later to give him a warning. Have you considered the player is not telling the full story?. If the player is smart enough to call into CS, ask on recording if the line is good and place the bet to usd this in his argument in the future when he gets caught saying well your CS placed it rathen then him just placing the bet online himself. Sounds to me player did it in past got a warning and his money back (probably betting online ) then proceeded to try it again through CS and now the book is using one of there other rules to keep his funds.

[Optional]

C'mon SBR! This thread is supposed to be a warning to your customers.

If you look in forum view the button link to the report works

Or replace ***** with bet 33 as one word in the link.

[BranchDavidian]

Thanks Optional. But I can't find any "forum view", and when I tried typing the link manually with the suggested change, i got directed right back to this thread. SBR's censorship is working just fine --- a customer, me, is not getting warned about shady practices at a book, because SBR wants to protect me ( thanks alot SBR ).

[BranchDavidian]

Actually, I may be giving SBR too much credit here. Censoring the names of these certain few books is not done to protect me from hearing about these books. Rather it is done to punish these books for some reason. But, who is getting punished now? How does SBR figure it is going to give out warnings if one of these special books stops paying customers but keeps taking deposits? SBR --- can't you see this censorship is only hurting you?

[Optional]

Look for the thread here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/ then click the "SBR Report" button.

[Santo]

Also, this thread is from May.

[BranchDavidian]

Look for the thread here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/ then click the "SBR Report" button.

Thanks.

[BranchDavidian]

Also, this thread is from May.

Yup, missed that too. Didn't see that someone was on some sort of political mission! But at least the crazy guy helps to point out the detrimental results of SBR's policy of censorship.