[BigDofBA]

After just two days it alread seems like a great decision.

Bodog/Bovada
Messing with their poker software was a big mistake on Bodog's part. I will never deposit another cent into their site now. I used to put up with the late and crappy lines only because I would play poker there and gamble some of my winnings in their sportsbook. Not anymore.

Overall I would rate Bodog a "C-". Their casino is rigged (Computer gets blackjack like every other hand). Their poker is rigged (I am up nearly 3k there per Sharkscope and I can almost call the BS cards that will fall on the river. Bad beats occur way more than they should). Finally, their lines suck and are always posted late with outrageous juice.

With that being said, Bodog never stiffed me. Even though it was starting to take longer and they were bouncing more checks on me, I always got paid. That was one of the main things keeping me there along with their poker. I do believe you will get paid but lately it seems like they send me bad check just to delay paying me in hopes that I lose all the money back. I'm just getting a bad feeling about them. The first check I recieve usually looks like a first grader made it and it doesn't go through. Then the second check looks legit and goes through no problem. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

Bottom line. I can vouch that they will eventually pay you if you win but it's hard as hell to win their because of their lines. Search "dual lines" also. It's another practice they implement.

5dimes
So far I'm really digging 5dimes. Their customer service may not be the nicest but they get to the point and get you set up. It's kind of refreshing because it feels like you're speaking to a real person instead of someone that is just giving you the run around. I don't need the guy I'm chatting with to BS with me. I just want to gamble, get fair lines, and get paid if I win.

5dimes puts their lines up earlier. There is less juice. There are more things to bet on and more bets to make. I love how they have so many alternate spreads to bet on for each game. Gone are the days of Bodog forcing me to take a team that is -3 while paying -150. That's just ridiculous. Sometimes Bodog won't move lines they just juice the hell out of them. It seems like you get truer lines here than you do at Bodog.

I'll keep people posted of my experience.

[Quarius]

Its all good they are both A books so both should be just as safe.

[appleman]

good for you 5dimes is a betterbook with everything you want to bet on

[donjuan]

Gone are the days of Bodog forcing me to take a team that is -3 while paying -150. That's just ridiculous.

If you mean ridiculously good, then yes.

[Covy]

Learned this a while back...good to see someone else sees where the good lines are

[prop]

If you mean ridiculously good, then yes.

Perhaps in a 6.5 teaser but in general not what he's saying here.

Gone are the days of Bodog forcing me to take a team that is -3 while paying -150. That's just ridiculous. Sometimes Bodog won't move lines they just juice the hell out of them.

He is saying being forced to bet "-3 -150" NOT meaning the choice of -3 OR -150. Everyone else has -4 -115. Bodog has -3 -150 with no other choice on that team period outside of teasers.

That's how understood his post anyways.

[BigDofBA]

Perhaps in a 6.5 teaser but in general not what he's saying here.



He is saying being forced to bet "-3 -150" NOT meaning the choice of -3 OR -150. Everyone else has -4 -115. Bodog has -3 -150 with no other choice on that team period outside of teasers.

That's how understood his post anyways.

You are correct. Sometimes Bodog doesn't move their lines, they just keep adding juice.

[donjuan]

Perhaps in a 6.5 teaser but in general not what he's saying here.



He is saying being forced to bet "-3 -150" NOT meaning the choice of -3 OR -150. Everyone else has -4 -115. Bodog has -3 -150 with no other choice on that team period outside of teasers.

That's how understood his post anyways.

My point is that it pretty much automatically becomes a +ev bet in some form. Either a teaser has +ev or the line is significantly off-market.

[prop]

gotcha, no argument from me there.

[Legions36]

How stupid can people be, if u don't wan't to pay -3 for -150 at Bodog why not leave yourself open at other places and keep some $ in like 10 shops to be able to get the best deal, just cause a line isn't what u like at 1 place doesn't mean its not what u like at another. Bodog does have better lines at times than other books and also bad lines as well, u just gotta pick them out when needed. Any SBR A rated and B are safe bets.

[5mike5]

best decision you could have ever mad

like being on welfare and then hiting the lotto

[donjuan]

How stupid can people be, if u don't wan't to pay -3 for -150 at Bodog why not leave yourself open at other places and keep some $ in like 10 shops to be able to get the best deal, just cause a line isn't what u like at 1 place doesn't mean its not what u like at another. Bodog does have better lines at times than other books and also bad lines as well, u just gotta pick them out when needed. Any SBR A rated and B are safe bets.

You might be the worst poster in S&I. Congrats.

[BigDofBA]

You might be the worst poster in S&I. Congrats.

I didn't understand his rant either. How am I stupid? I switched books completely.

People keep saying Bodog is a great
Book for taking dogs but I disagree.

For example: Bodog had a line at +7 (-120) while other books have the line at +6.5 (-105). I get a whole half a point at Bodog but I'm charged juice. Likewise, the other books allow you the option to buy a point if you want to.

I'm not saying Bodog sucks. They pay out. I'm just giving my honest opinion. They are average which is why I graded them a "C". How can I give them an "A" when their lines come our late, are heavily juiced, and many games aren't even listed?? Likewise, their casino is a joke and their pokersoftware sucks.

[Legions36]

You might be the worst poster in S&I. Congrats.

Why because i know what im talking about. Don't be mad cause u just don't get it.

[Legions36]

I didn't understand his rant either. How am I stupid? I switched books completely.

People keep saying Bodog is a great
Book for taking dogs but I disagree.

For example: Bodog had a line at +7 (-120) while other books have the line at +6.5 (-105). I get a whole half a point at Bodog but I'm charged juice. Likewise, the other books allow you the option to buy a point if you want to.

I'm not saying Bodog sucks. They pay out. I'm just giving my honest opinion. They are average which is why I graded them a "C". How can I give them an "A" when their lines come our late, are heavily juiced, and many games aren't even listed?? Likewise, their casino is a joke and their pokersoftware sucks.

Well if u look at what i said i did say that they can have the worst lines at times but i also did say they have the best line at times u just gotta look for it. Any good bettor knows to shop and look for the best price, any wager i make at Bodog is the best price at the time i make my wagers. I guess u have your rating system u go by but i will go by the SBR rated system which rates them an A. Lol u bring in Casino now i know why you don't like Bodog cause your a degenerate gambler, im wasting my time even bothering in this thread, only degenerates waist there time hanging out in online casinos.

[BigDofBA]

Well if u look at what i said i did say that they can have the worst lines at times but i also did say they have the best line at times u just gotta look for it. Any good bettor knows to shop and look for the best price, any wager i make at Bodog is the best price at the time i make my wagers. I guess u have your rating system u go by but i will go by the SBR rated system which rates them an A. Lol u bring in Casino now i know why you don't like Bodog cause your a degenerate gambler, im wasting my time even bothering in this thread, only degenerates waist there time hanging out in online casinos.

Who said I hung out in the casino? I got bored and played a few bucks there like one time and left knowing what I already knew.

Likewise, not all of us have a ton of options as far as books are concerned. Moreover, it's comical you call someone a degenerate and then you turn right around and act like you have money in multiple books to get the best line. Lol.

Why are you so pissed I said Bodog was average? It's not like I was trashing them. They pay out if you win.

I go off my own personal experiences. Not what a site that advertises for them
says.

Again, not sure why you would make multiple posts that imply your angry over someone's opinion. People are entitled to their own opinions you know.

[donjuan]

Why because i know what im talking about. Don't be mad cause u just don't get it.

It's quite the opposite. You think A books can do no wrong and that you can trust your life savings with them. It's pretty clear that

1) your "life savings" are less than your weekly McDonalds assistant manager paycheck
2) you don't actually bet on these sites
3) you have no clue what you're talking about since multiple books rated A by SBR in the past have stiffed or have serious issues at the moment.

The SBR ratings are probably the best of any site's ratings of the offshore industry, but they certainly aren't something you should trust 100% or think that they're infallible. Anyone with even the slightest experience in the industry knows this. Yet you try to shout down anyone with a legitimate complaint against any A rated book out there, Bodog/Bovada in particular. That combined with the 13 year-old girl-style txtspeak makes you the worst poster in S&I.

[Legions36]

It's quite the opposite. You think A books can do no wrong and that you can trust your life savings with them. It's pretty clear that

1) your "life savings" are less than your weekly McDonalds assistant manager paycheck
2) you don't actually bet on these sites
3) you have no clue what you're talking about since multiple books rated A by SBR in the past have stiffed or have serious issues at the moment.

The SBR ratings are probably the best of any site's ratings of the offshore industry, but they certainly aren't something you should trust 100% or think that they're infallible. Anyone with even the slightest experience in the industry knows this. Yet you try to shout down anyone with a legitimate complaint against any A rated book out there, Bodog/Bovada in particular. That combined with the 13 year-old girl-style txtspeak makes you the worst poster in S&I.

OK when has Bodog stiffed someone u dumb fukk, when has bookmaker stiffed someone, do i really need to go down the list of books. All u do is try and cause trouble with people. If your scared of A rated books u need not bet offshore, for me i will stick with any A rated and B rated books. I have yet to get stiffed by anyone of these type books and if it ever happens so be it part of the game i guess. Only book so far ive been burned by is BetEd and thats cause the government stepping in.
Its obviously apparent from what your saying that
1) U don't know how to bet serious, if u did u know that u need multiple books.
2) Your not a winner because winners know that u need to use multiple books.
3) Obviously u know nothing about who will stiff and who will always pay.
4) U talk about other people and what they make yet u know nothing about any of these people.
Also noted every book that i talk about is from experience with using them, cashing with them, depositing with them. I have yet to speak about a book that i have not used or cashed with them, don't believe me go back and read all my posts. I work at Mcdonald's??? lol u only wish i did so u can get a hardon right now. I have 2 jobs at the moment right now and thats poker and sports.

[Legions36]

Who said I hung out in the casino? I got bored and played a few bucks there like one time and left knowing what I already knew.

Likewise, not all of us have a ton of options as far as books are concerned. Moreover, it's comical you call someone a degenerate and then you turn right around and act like you have money in multiple books to get the best line. Lol.

Why are you so pissed I said Bodog was average? It's not like I was trashing them. They pay out if you win.

I go off my own personal experiences. Not what a site that advertises for them
says.

Again, not sure why you would make multiple posts that imply your angry over someone's opinion. People are entitled to their own opinions you know.

U know what your right my bad i guess i didn't read the whole first post fully. It might have been i was reading on some other threads and just misinterpreted it, sorry man my fault.

[prop]

This should be interesting

Please tell us some of your poker account user names

[Legions36]

This should be interesting

Please tell us some of your poker account user names

UserId# MyCockInuMouth

[prop]

Obviously you had to do that, because no way in hell you could answer honestly after just claiming you had two jobs poker and sports.

[Legions36]

Obviously you had to do that, because no way in hell you could answer honestly after just claiming you had two jobs poker and sports.

Its just your my bit-ch now so i have no need to bow down to u, u bow down to me bit-ch and hand feed me grapes.

[BigDofBA]

This should be interesting

Please tell us some of your poker account user names

My poker name on Bodog is BigDofBA. Sharkscope me. I'm up like 3k and I still think it's rigged as hell. It got the the point where I could almost call the river mainly on pots when I have a huge hand and some donk keeps calling.

It's not like I'm crying rigged because I suck. I'm up thousands on online sites.

The software allows bad players to catch up at a ridiculous rate. I don't know how many times someone goes all in after the flop with absolutely nothing, I call with pocket aces or Kings, and they turn and river me. Beats like this happen way too often.

People get their chips in horrible and
Miracles happen. Quads is an everyday thing there and I have lost multiple times because a one outer hit on the river to give a guy a straight flush.

Bodog pays out....if you win. It's a decent option for recreational sports bettor although I doubt many people turn profit with all the juice you pay there.

[nyplayer33]

5dimes is much better..when bodog had poker it was very good,,now they have stab in dark poker

[nyplayer33]

honestly, i felt ftp was rigged for action..they poker sites make money from rake...so create action more to build pots=more rake

[donjuan]

OK when has Bodog stiffed someone u dumb fukk, when has bookmaker stiffed someone, do i really need to go down the list of books. All u do is try and cause trouble with people. If your scared of A rated books u need not bet offshore, for me i will stick with any A rated and B rated books. I have yet to get stiffed by anyone of these type books and if it ever happens so be it part of the game i guess. Only book so far ive been burned by is BetEd and thats cause the government stepping in.

Of course those books haven't stiffed people at this point in time. When Cascade and WSEX were A rated they hadn't stiffed anyone either. Having concerns or complaints about certain books does not mean that I don't feel comfortable having money in them. But I certainly wouldn't leave my entire net worth in a single US-facing A rated book either.

Its obviously apparent from what your saying that
1) U don't know how to bet serious, if u did u know that u need multiple books.
2) Your not a winner because winners know that u need to use multiple books.

Show me where I said you don't.

3) Obviously u know nothing about who will stiff and who will always pay.

4) U talk about other people and what they make yet u know nothing about any of these people.
Also noted every book that i talk about is from experience with using them, cashing with them, depositing with them. I have yet to speak about a book that i have not used or cashed with them, don't believe me go back and read all my posts. I work at Mcdonald's??? lol u only wish i did so u can get a hardon right now. I have 2 jobs at the moment right now and thats poker and sports.

You're right; your English isn't good enough to work at a McDonalds. Go ahead. List your online poker screen names and what stakes and sites you play on.

[Legions36]

I have no need to try and show off anything what i do or make here so posting user names will not prove my case. This is not the point, the point is that your paranoid that A rated books will try and screw people over, but not me i will continue to use A rated books and get all the benefits that come with them. I love places that offer reload bonuses like bookmaker and dsi as i continually bet and get as many bonuses as i can, while withdrawing when i complete rollover. In no way will i ever keep my entire balance in 1 book which i stated before, but i will tell u i dont care how much money is in A or B rated books.
I no nothing about Cascade so i can't post about it and the only thing that i know about wsex is they were good until the U.S govn busted them.
Donjuan your just as pathetic as they come and u got nothing better to do than criticize people, just stay the fu-ck out of my way and i will leave u the fu-ck alone as well, your an annoying person mad at the world or anyone that knows a thing or 2.

[BigDofBA]

honestly, i felt ftp was rigged for action..they poker sites make money from rake...so create action more to build pots=more rake

I agree FTP was horrible. I don't know how man time I had a full house and lose to quads.

When you have pocket aces and raise the pot pre-flop, then the flop comes 555 and tour opponent has ace 5, you have to start wondering.

I understand this may happen once in a while but when then the same exact scenario would happen the next day.

People go all with ace rag and beat your ace king like 50% of the time. It shouldn't be like that.

Likewise, when I have a big pocket pair and someone goes all in pre flop with a Hand like pocket 3s, I feel like I should win a lot more than I lose.

It's almost like these site induce action. I don't know how times people go all in on a gunshot draw, I have trips so I have to call, then they hit the miracle card on the river.

[indio]

My poker name on Bodog is BigDofBA. Sharkscope me. I'm up like 3k and I still think it's rigged as hell. It got the the point where I could almost call the river mainly on pots when I have a huge hand and some donk keeps calling.

It's not like I'm crying rigged because I suck. I'm up thousands on online sites.

The software allows bad players to catch up at a ridiculous rate. I don't know how many times someone goes all in after the flop with absolutely nothing, I call with pocket aces or Kings, and they turn and river me. Beats like this happen way too often.

People get their chips in horrible and
Miracles happen. Quads is an everyday thing there and I have lost multiple times because a one outer hit on the river to give a guy a straight flush.

Bodog pays out....if you win. It's a decent option for recreational sports bettor although I doubt many people turn profit with all the juice you pay there.

Always funny to hear a poker fish complaining about "rigged" software. This time though, we get an extra treat, this genius claims he's a winning player and asks us to sharkscope him cause he's up 3k. What he fails to mention is the $2850 he's up was accumulated by playing 9,000 games at the $5 and $10 levels. (.30 cents a game is nothing to be overly proud of).

Sorry to break this to you son, but a chimpanzee will probably be up 3k after 9,000 games at those levels at bodog, that's how bad the players are at the low stake level. If you want to sharkscope someone, try the player named abrafo, and ask yourself if he could beat $100 heads up games at a 62% clip through 7,000+ games with "tainted" software? Iv'e played 2400 games there and my win % is just about what it was through 9,000 games at pokerstars. If you want to win more at poker, stop blaming "rigged" software and perhaps try to improve.

You really think 1 or 2 out rivers are that incredible? How many cards do you think is in a deck, 138?

Have you ever rolled 12 on a dice roll? That's 35-1, a 1 out river is 43-1. If you roll the dice over and over, are you that shocked when a 12 gets rolled once in a while?

I hate the new software, but the RNG is legit and fair.

[donjuan]

I have no need to try and show off anything what i do or make here so posting user names will not prove my case. This is not the point, the point is that your paranoid that A rated books will try and screw people over, but not me i will continue to use A rated books and get all the benefits that come with them. I love places that offer reload bonuses like bookmaker and dsi as i continually bet and get as many bonuses as i can, while withdrawing when i complete rollover. In no way will i ever keep my entire balance in 1 book which i stated before, but i will tell u i dont care how much money is in A or B rated books.
I no nothing about Cascade so i can't post about it and the only thing that i know about wsex is they were good until the U.S govn busted them.
Donjuan your just as pathetic as they come and u got nothing better to do than criticize people, just stay the fu-ck out of my way and i will leave u the fu-ck alone as well, your an annoying person mad at the world or anyone that knows a thing or 2.

LOL yeah you have no need to try to show off anything after you tried earlier this thread. I'm not paranoid that A rated books will try to screw people over. Many of them have in the past (including current A rated books) in some way or form. Just because you are too new to the industry to remember Cascade or even WSEX does not make those cases less relevant; it just makes you less relevant. And as you are clearly unable to comprehend, criticism of a book for certain practices is not the same as saying don't play with there. That is partially why your "you'd have to be an idiot to complain about an A rated book" is so laughably absurd. And lastly, a big LOL about "staying out of your way".

[relaaxx]

After just two days it alread seems like a great decision.

Bodog/Bovada
Messing with their poker software was a big mistake on Bodog's part. I will never deposit another cent into their site now. I used to put up with the late and crappy lines only because I would play poker there and gamble some of my winnings in their sportsbook. Not anymore.

Overall I would rate Bodog a "C-". Their casino is rigged (Computer gets blackjack like every other hand). Their poker is rigged (I am up nearly 3k there per Sharkscope and I can almost call the BS cards that will fall on the river. Bad beats occur way more than they should). Finally, their lines suck and are always posted late with outrageous juice.

With that being said, Bodog never stiffed me. Even though it was starting to take longer and they were bouncing more checks on me, I always got paid. That was one of the main things keeping me there along with their poker. I do believe you will get paid but lately it seems like they send me bad check just to delay paying me in hopes that I lose all the money back. I'm just getting a bad feeling about them. The first check I recieve usually looks like a first grader made it and it doesn't go through. Then the second check looks legit and goes through no problem. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

Bottom line. I can vouch that they will eventually pay you if you win but it's hard as hell to win their because of their lines. Search "dual lines" also. It's another practice they implement.

5dimes
So far I'm really digging 5dimes. Their customer service may not be the nicest but they get to the point and get you set up. It's kind of refreshing because it feels like you're speaking to a real person instead of someone that is just giving you the run around. I don't need the guy I'm chatting with to BS with me. I just want to gamble, get fair lines, and get paid if I win.

5dimes puts their lines up earlier. There is less juice. There are more things to bet on and more bets to make. I love how they have so many alternate spreads to bet on for each game. Gone are the days of Bodog forcing me to take a team that is -3 while paying -150. That's just ridiculous. Sometimes Bodog won't move lines they just juice the hell out of them. It seems like you get truer lines here than you do at Bodog.

I'll keep people posted of my experience.

no comparison - 5dimes much better - good choice

[captrobey]

U know what your right my bad i guess i didn't read the whole first post fully. It might have been i was reading on some other threads and just misinterpreted it, sorry man my fault.

I have to give credit where it is due Legion. To come back and admit you misread something and apologize says a lot about your character .

I do not like Bovadas casino i feel it is obviously rigged. I have lost cash in the past in there and they do get 21 or a 20 every other hand . You can see this for yourself .

Go in and log in . The program they use when you log in is the same for both play for fun and real money. I play almost everyday for fun starting with the 1000 they give you. Then just bet 500 a hand and watch the insanity.

I go in and try 10 times to get from 1000 to 3000 in play cash . In 10 tries today i got there one time . In a real casino i can take 1000 to 3000 7 out of 10 times easy. If you keep track of their 21s to yours you will see a 4-1 ratio . And watch how often they go over compared to you . Get to love 12s cause you get a lot betting 500 a hand.

Then log out and play and watch the difference.