[Thremp]

Only for recreational players now? Does that make any sense?

I'm so confused. Are they retarded?

[jgilmartin]

Doesn't make sense. They actually said it was for recreational players only?

[David]

That's an odd restriction.

[vyomguy]

u mean book-to-book ?

[Santo]

In, out, or both?

[Thremp]

In
Out
P2P
B2B

My account (and all family books) is at $0 and they want me to withdrawal and then deposit there (incurring more transaction fees). I could understand allowing only receiving or not P2P or smth. But wtf at B2B trying to fund an empty accout.

[Frank]

I was told anyone deemed non-recreational (betpoints taken away) could not transfer in or out at all anywhere.

Not even to/from BetMaker or DSI.

That's pretty bad to have customers withdraw from one, then fund another, just to make a few bucks in fees.

2 extra processor transactions to basicly transfer in-house is very strange considering what has recently happened.

[John Dough]

I was told anyone deemed non-recreational (betpoints taken away) could not transfer in or out at all anywhere.

As someone who has been understanding with the payment delays, I find this somewhat disturbing.

[durito]

As someone who has been understanding with the payment delays, I find this somewhat disturbing.

This policy was started a couple weeks before the DOJ actions. I have been unable to do transfers since then. And thremp is trying to Deposit, which seems like an odd thing to deny if you are hurting for cash. It's ******* ridiculous.

[John Dough]

This policy was started a couple weeks before the DOJ actions. I have been unable to do transfers since then. And thremp is trying to Deposit, which seems like an odd thing to deny if you are hurting for cash. It's ******* ridiculous.

Thanks, I haven't tried to transfer in/out in quite a while and hadn't heard that.

[durito]

This was actually longer ago than I realized, April 22nd:

Diego: Unfortunately is the list of accounts they only handle and since you were also banned from the loyalty program after being considered a non recreational player is an option they can remove from the account..
durito: Thats not english
durito: Recreational players don't transfer to pinnacle
Diego: Yes sir...
Diego: I understand your frustration sir, and I do apologize but management made the decision...
Diego: May I assist you with anything else?
durito: Can you answer WHY
durito: Can I transfer to other books?
Diego: No sir, all I can tell you at the moment is that they are the only ones who can deal with the list and I believe you cannot transfer to other books..
Diego: The transferring option has been removed from the account..
durito: can i do player to player transfers?
Diego: But transfers is no longer an option./..

[jgilmartin]

Diego: Unfortunately is the list of accounts they only handle and since you were also banned from the loyalty program after being considered a non recreational player is an option they can remove from the account..
durito: Thats not english

Seriously, though. Terrible, nonsensical policy.

[John Dough]

Thanks again for the info Durito. As sad as this sounds, I actually find it less disturbing knowing it had nothing to do with any recent events and was just another nonsensical B2B transfer policy (like the outrageous fees).

[deeshen13]

Thanks again for the info Durito. As sad as this sounds, I actually find it less disturbing knowing it had nothing to do with any recent events and was just another nonsensical B2B transfer policy (like the outrageous fees).

+1.

[Legions36]

In
Out
P2P
B2B

My account (and all family books) is at $0 and they want me to withdrawal and then deposit there (incurring more transaction fees). I could understand allowing only receiving or not P2P or smth. But wtf at B2B trying to fund an empty accout.

First off how many times have u withdrawn from them because i do know the rule is that u must withdraw 2 times before being able to do B2B transfers maybe this is what or why they said this. After u do this u will be able to do these transfers at any time.

[durito]

First off how many times have u withdrawn from them because i do know the rule is that u must withdraw 2 times before being able to do B2B transfers maybe this is what or why they said this. After u do this u will be able to do these transfers at any time.

lol no.

[John Dough]

First off how many times have u withdrawn from them because i do know the rule is that u must withdraw 2 times before being able to do B2B transfers maybe this is what or why they said this. After u do this u will be able to do these transfers at any time.

To back up durito, that's definitely not it. My account must be about a decade old.

[justonetime]

I did a transfer to Matchbook for 5 figures less than 2 weeks ago, shortly after the domain seizure. I have been banned from the Betpoints program for years. I am definitely not considered recreational there with my $1,000 online limits and time delay.
This seems like a recent development. It would be great for someone from SBR to get to the bottom of this.

[justonetime]

That's pretty bad to have customers withdraw from one, then fund another, just to make a few bucks in fees.

2 extra processor transactions to basicly transfer in-house is very strange considering what has recently happened.

It's the opposite, they have to pay extra I would think. Really makes no sense at at all. Bookmaker would incur a fee of between 2-3% in extra transfer fees to accept an E-wallet deposit. Why throw away more money to the processors rather than just settling up with another sportsbook on a prearranged basis?

[Thremp]

Thanks Legion. I know you mean well. Maybe someone can contact Monica and ask her wtf is going on. I can't think of a single good reason for this.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Thanks Legion. I know you mean well. Maybe someone can contact Monica and ask her wtf is going on. I can't think of a single good reason for this.

Discourage undesirables?

[Thremp]

How are professionals undesirable for a book actively advertising to professionals?

Beyond that, how is paying a shit ton of money in merchant fees better than just accepting a deposit from another book?

[me-first]

would like to hear the reasoning behind this..

[katstale]

This is certainly one of the more sad bits of news which keeps coming from Cris family. You would actually turn away a deposit "from any source". Hard to see them being a pro book much longer. About a year ago when I first learned of them implementing time delays. It has been steady bad news from them since.

[Legions36]

Thanks Legion. I know you mean well. Maybe someone can contact Monica and ask her wtf is going on. I can't think of a single good reason for this.

Worth a shot cause they made me do this before, also it would be nice to find out whats going on with this.

[magynuck]

it gets more convoluted all the time

[JVP3122]

Okay, so I'm confused a bit. From what I gather, if you're a professional at Bookmaker you can't deposit or withdraw money, and you can't transfer it out at all? Essentially is there nothing you can do with your cash at BM?

[John Dough]

Okay, so I'm confused a bit. From what I gather, if you're a professional at Bookmaker you can't deposit or withdraw money, and you can't transfer it out at all? Essentially is there nothing you can do with your cash at BM?

You can deposit or cash out, just no B2B or P2P transfers.

[JVP3122]

You can deposit or cash out, just no B2B or P2P transfers.

Thanks. I had to take a Zyrtec today for my allergies and I'm having brain farts all over the place.

[Foosball Champ]

I don't no why that bookmaker is playing games. If they think that you a undesirable or non rec player or whatever they think why not just pay you off and boot you.

[SBR Lou]

Bookmaker—and most sportsbooks—don't want pro players to use B2B transfers as a clearing house. It may be a pain to the pro looking to move in and out but the majority of players never have their inter-book transfers disabled.

[roanildinho]

Thats a horrible excuse...its like saying what books like to pay?

[SBR Lou]

Thats a horrible excuse...its like saying what books like to pay?

Not sure I follow.

Bookmaker has a range of withdrawal options for both professional and recreational bettors, they simply don't want pros using book-to-book transfers as a clearing house.

[JohnnyC]

Not sure I follow.

Bookmaker has a range of withdrawal options for both professional and recreational bettors, they simply don't want pros using book-to-book transfers as a clearing house.

Do they want non-US pros using ewallets again in the future? Because right now their withdrawal options are not what I would describe as wide ranging.

[Dark Horse]

General observation. The A books are almost always tough and inflexible. If you want books to be more flexible, and show some courtesy (not talking about soft customer service, but just a measure of appreciation for doing business there), B books that are looking to go up are often the better option. They have lower limits, but you can usually get or negotiate low juice and get around the limits by playing at a few. I'd take an ambitious and honest B book almost any time over one of these dinosaurs.

Bookmaker is not trying to grow. They're trying to protect and maintain what they have. They're not interested in you. They're interested in themselves. Books that are focused on growth, and understand the business enough not to fail, know that they can't get where they want without customers. They're interested in you, as well as themselves. It's give and take.