[KEdge2k]

From a Covers.com article on the event, including quotes from Tony:



"The sportsbook grades each bout by what the ring announcer states at the end of the match. Even if your bet is clubbed by a steel chair for the 1-2-3 or disqualified after a fellow wrestler jumped in, whatever comes out of the ring announcer’s mouth is the final say on whether your wager wins or losses."


This match was not concluded until the END of the match, and the END of the match was when Miz was announced by the ring announcer as the winner.

Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

[jds07v]

So for those that bet on the Lawler / Cole match.... did that receive action either way?

Lawler was the "announced" winner, but then was "overturned". I'm just curious

[rsigley]

Yea and I had both The Miz and Cena for a lot more money than you and I understand the ruling. It went from +$4000 if both were graded as on wwf website to -$260 for the night.

5d is a great book, I doubt they're scamming people based on how much they would win/lose for the event.

[KEdge2k]

jds -- Lawler was the winner, but that can be distinguished here because there was only one FINAL result announced by the ring announcer -- that being a Lawler victory. Here, the FINAL result announced by the ring announcer was a Miz win.

I thought that being reasonable and requesting a winning ticket with a roll-over requirement was a fair resolution to this dispute.

[rsigley]

So for those that bet on the Lawler / Cole match.... did that receive action either way?

Lawler was the "announced" winner, but then was "overturned". I'm just curious

My bet on Cole was graded as a loss as it was considered an overturned decision which I agree with.

[KEdge2k]

I've never had any problems with 5dimes before, I just want to make sure everyone knows that. Love the book. Completely disagree with the decision here by Tony, but I love 5dimes. It's my favorite place to wager.

[KEdge2k]

Your bet was graded a loss on Cole, rsigley, because the final announcement by the ring announcer was Lawler as the victor. The final announcement by the ring announcer for the Miz/Cena match was a Miz victory. Different situation.

[rsigley]

If you want money to bet on baseball why not just get a paper route or save up money before the season??? #planbetter

[DEP78]

I bet a big $49 to win $25 on Cena. I was very surprised it was graded as cancelled rather than a loss.

[RickySteve]

You make well into 6 figures per year yet find it worth your time to do qualitative handicapping on $50 props?

[KEdge2k]

You make well into 6 figures per year yet find it worth your time to do qualitative handicapping on $50 props?

Hey, to each their own, right?

[rsigley]

Limits were $250 day of and 30 seconds of googling for some entertainment isn't a big deal

[durito]

I thought it was 6 figures a week?

[rsigley]

Wait, are we making fun of me cause if we are then I think you have me confused with someone else because I never said anything about how much I make/bet on here or any other forum cause if the OP is crying over $400 I don't think you are making fun of him.

[WendysRox]

Hey KEdge2K, I think you must be the guy from covers that I talked to this morning (I posted in your covers thread about this issue, I mean). So, I'll offer what little advice I've gathered by being an active sbr member for a few months...

Most importantly, don't start a thread bashing a book that you are trying to convince to give you money. Just fyi, from one gambler to another, I've heard that you get better results by filing an sbr complaint instead of starting threads like this and posting the live chat transcript. If I were a betting man I'd bet that you have lost this bet and will never see any gain from it. Take it as a lesson learned and move on.

I am running on almost no sleep today, so forgive me if I'm coming across as a jerk. I'm just trying to save you some grief. You'll never see a dime from this bet. GL in the future though

[KEdge2k]

Hi Wendys -- yes, I wasn't trying to start a thread bashing the book. I think I've been pretty fair/even-handed. I'm not screaming that they are screwing me out of my money or anything and I've gone out of my way to indicate that 5dimes has been my favorite book in the past and has never done wrong by me before. I did file an SBR complaint but we'll see if anything comes of it. I appreciate the comment Wendys.

[stikymess]

Kedge,
I think the fact that you chatted already with Tony makes it a dead issue. Dude wont change his mind or change the ruling. Period. Take it as a lesson, get your money and and move to another book. Find a book that suits you, meaning if you bet on WWE then find that book. I know the feeling man it's tough enough to win a wager, then to win it and not get paid! Best of luck.

[Br0nxer]

Yes, yes, I know, its wrestling, its scripted, blah blah, but I think 5dimes has made an error in their grading of this event. I've talked to Tony but he won't budge on his stance. I have a Miz +1000 ticket that was graded as "cancelled" instead of as a winner as a result of Tony's decision. The rules, as quoted, for this type of event are as follows (taken from a chat with a 5dimes rep on live chat):

"Results will be graded/regraded based on the official result at ringside. A result may be revised or altered after initial presentation by the ring announcer. Results are not official for wagering purposes until verified by officials at the fighting venue. Official or unofficial sanctioning body overturns of a fight decision based on appeal, suspension, lawsuit, drug testing result, or any other fighter sanction will not be recognized for wagering purposes."

In this case, the match was originally announced by the ring announcer as a double count-out. However, the match was re-started (i.e. "revised or altered after initial presentation by the ring announcer") and the Miz was then announced the victor at the end of the night. WWE's own official website confirms that the Miz was the victor as well (i.e. "verified by officials at the fighting venue.") Despite this, Tony has made clear that his decision will stand as given that all bets on this match will be "cancelled". I attempted to talk with Tony about reconsidering his decision but he was not in the mood to discuss such an option.

Is there anyone here who can possibly help me? I'm a low-limit player and I've probably deposited around 2-3k over 3 years with 5dimes, and have never requested a payout. I'm your average degen gambler who was hoping to use my winnings from my Miz ticket to help me wager on baseball at 5dimes. I even suggested to Tony that perhaps he could grade my Miz ticket a winner and put a rollover requirement on it as a compromise position. He rejected this outright.

[Lint Pockets]

that is what you get for betting on WWE which is only watched by little kids and 40 something year old guys still living at home.

[Lint Pockets]

"I'm a low-limit player and I've probably deposited around 2-3k over 3 years with 5dimes, and have never requested a payout." ..... sorry i missed this part, you deposited 2-3k and never once cashed out? if that is the case then you should just stop betting because obviously it's not your thing. maybe try and become a "pro" WWE wrestler instead

[firedawg]

that is what you get for betting on WWE which is only watched by little kids and 40 something year old guys still living at home.

another idiotic statement from this mush

[Lint Pockets]

another idiotic statement from this mush

just telling it like it is dude, if you're still watching wrestling and you're an adult then you really need to grow up.

[firedawg]

not watching wrestling, but my 12 year old kid does. the bottom line here is 5dimes should have never put lines up on this knowing it is staged and not honor the results of the matches.

[Lint Pockets]

not watching wrestling, but my 12 year old kid does. the bottom line here is 5dimes should have never put lines up on this knowing it is staged and not honor the results of the matches.

which is why i already stated that is what he gets for betting on WWE, it's all fake and scripted and the WWE can make it so anything happens at any time.

[KEdge2k]

"I'm a low-limit player and I've probably deposited around 2-3k over 3 years with 5dimes, and have never requested a payout." ..... sorry i missed this part, you deposited 2-3k and never once cashed out? if that is the case then you should just stop betting because obviously it's not your thing. maybe try and become a "pro" WWE wrestler instead

Hey, we all start somewhere, right? I guess you have never re-deposited at any site anywhere?

I've started taking betting a lot more serious over the last, say, six months or so, and did very well this NBA season (YTD: 186-158-4, +39.61 units) -- not bad for my first real serious season of capping.

[KEdge2k]

Oh, and I'm not ashamed in any way of not cashing out from 5dimes. I'm not trying to do this professionally unlike some on here. I'm just a recreational player, couple hundred bucks here, couple hundred bucks there, its entertainment value. I'm not playing with money that would otherwise be going to my mortgage payment (or, for you Lint, your rent payment)

[firedawg]

which is why i already stated that is what he gets for betting on WWE, it's all fake and scripted and the WWE can make it so anything happens at any time.

for all we know the fix is in allot of the time in allot of sports. your point makes no sense, 5 dimes had lines up the results are official. pretty simple.

[Lint Pockets]

for all we know the fix is in allot of the time in allot of sports. your point makes no sense, 5 dimes had lines up the results are official. pretty simple.

actually the OP said it was a double count out which means both wrestlers lost which means the bet was canceled because there was no winner. it doesn't matter if the WWE restarted the match because the first match is what the bet was for.... do you people not understand that or something?

[firedawg]

wrong match lintster..... im speaking of other match

[Lint Pockets]

wrong match lintster..... im speaking of other match

well either way who would want to bet on a fake scripted wrestling match? 5dimes should of never put odds up for this because all it's gonna be is a hassle for them.

[KEdge2k]

actually the OP said it was a double count out which means both wrestlers lost which means the bet was canceled because there was no winner. it doesn't matter if the WWE restarted the match because the first match is what the bet was for.... do you people not understand that or something?

The first bolded part is really a matter of interpretation.

The second part is not set forth in the rules. In fact, its the exact opposite: it says, I believe, that whatever the final result is as announced by the ring announcer. In this case, the final result is clear: a Miz victory.

[firedawg]

im convinced at this point other posters were correct and sbr will do nothing about this. so as far as i am concerned lesson learned

[Lint Pockets]

The first bolded part is really a matter of interpretation.

The second part is not set forth in the rules. In fact, its the exact opposite: it says, I believe, that whatever the final result is as announced by the ring announcer. In this case, the final result is clear: a Miz victory.

well i'm sure 5dimes would of never thought that there would be two matches instead of one which is why the bet was canceled. you're making it sound like you was singled out when tony already told you he had other people coming on live chat which obviously means every person who bet that match had it canceled. it's over and done with just move on it was only a $41 bet.

[TheBeautifulGame]

I really would love to meet that Tony guy. So, I could punch him in his obnoxious face. What a prick, with a severe superiority complex.

Anyway, It's weird that a book offers Wrestling odds considering as you say, it's scripted. Especially an A+ book like 5 dimes but I reckon they offer the bets to take a shot at the player. There I said it. All they have to do is claim this and that and another thing and all you'll get at the end is a f**k you chat from Tony.

A major dog can win in wrestling unlike any other sport because it was set out for the dog to win beforehand.

[KEdge2k]

well i'm sure 5dimes would of never thought that there would be two matches instead of one which is why the bet was canceled. you're making it sound like you was singled out when tony already told you he had other people coming on live chat which obviously means every person who bet that match had it canceled. it's over and done with just move on it was only a $41 bet.

There weren't two matches. Go look at the final results on the WWE's own website. It doesn't say:

Miz v. Cena -- double count-out
Miz d. Cena -- second match

It just says:

The Miz (c) def. John Cena

I don't know what the heck other people are telling Tony or complaining to him about. I don't care about other people, but you know that because the line on Miz started at +1000 and finished at around +140 that I probably wasn't the only person who was very disappointed in the decision made by Tony and the 5dimes team to cancel the bet.

And yeah, it's only a $41 dollar bet. I'm not a big baller, never have claimed to be. But an added $410 would sure have been nice for my bankroll.