1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffPaffy View Post
    He Tukk, I'm wondering at which point you'd give up on your model. You obviously run terrible, but what is the determing factor to abandon your model? Z-score 3.0+? Or you just grind it out untill a certain #bets to get a better sample-size?

    Anyway, best of luck!
    hei, i really dont see why i should give up or whats wrong with model, any thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.
    my volume will improve alot during the next month, when i will be posting all the leagues that are atm starting new season, then i will get a decent sample size.
    my model has been running since the beginning of the year and it is constantly achieving 4+ % closing line ROI, that means im taking Pinny´s opener and it im beating the no-vig closer for 4,15% ROI year to date
    here is a break-down which proves to me, that i beat pretty much every league, be it top league or small
    i myself am not seeing any other problem besides variance, again suggestions are welcome, im trying to improve my model
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    2012 YTD (*vol = games wagered/all games)
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    589 4,15% 7,5%
    n cl roi vol
    1 Allsvenskan 7 2,27% 7%
    2 Argentina B 11 5,09% 7%
    3 Argentine 11 -1,72% 11%
    4 Australia 2 4,35% 3%
    5 Austri RZ EL 4 7,90% 6%
    6 Austrian 3 4,97% 4%
    7 Belgian 9 5,35% 10%
    8 Belgian 2 2 7,62% 1%
    9 Brazil Ser A 5 -1,90% 5%
    10 Brazil Ser B 7 3,62% 7%
    11 Bundesliga 9 2,75% 6%
    12 Bundesliga 2 11 2,63% 8%
    13 Bundesliga 3 2 1,63% 1%
    14 Canadian SL 5 12,72% 11%
    15 Chilean 4 8,21% 7%
    16 Colombia A 0
    17 Croati 1.HNL 4 7,68% 5%
    18 Czech 13 4,01% 15%
    19 Cyprus 1st D 0 0%
    20 Danish 1 9 3,77% 11%
    21 Danish L 1 3,65% 2%
    22 Dutch 1 30 3,05% 21%
    23 Dutch 2 15 4,62% 11%
    24 Ecuador A 0 0%
    25 Eng L1 13 4,58% 5%
    26 Eng L2 5 3,33% 2%
    27 Eng. Chship 7 6,58% 3%
    28 Eng. Conf. 17 3,12% 8%
    29 Eng. Premier 17 0,19% 8%
    30 Finnish V 4 0,66% 4%
    31 France 3 7 6,64% 4%
    32 French 1 14 2,01% 7%
    33 French 2 4 5,02% 2%
    34 Greek 14 5,13% 12%
    35 Hungary BL 6 -0,21% 7%
    36 Icelandic 11 4,41% 20%
    37 Irish 12 4,49% 14%
    38 Irish Div1 16 4,03% 27%
    39 Israel Prem 5 0,25% 5%
    40 J2 League 9 6,11% 4%
    41 J-League 11 1,73% 9%
    42 La Liga 30 4,77% 15%
    43 LFPB 0
    44 Mexican 9 -0,66% 11%
    45 N. Ireland P 4 -4,79% 6%
    46 N.Zealand Ch 5 9,84% 45%
    47 Norwegian 1 7 7,82% 8%
    48 Norwegian T 6 7,89% 6%
    49 Paraguay 0 0%
    50 Paulista 11 8,46% 12%
    51 Peru 1 3 -1,13% 3%
    52 Poland O E 6 2,37% 7%
    53 Portuguese 12 -1,36% 9%
    54 Portuguese 2 2 0,90% 2%
    55 Romania 1 13 3,72% 10%
    56 Scot 1 3 -1,22% 3%
    57 Scot 2 14 4,33% 15%
    58 Scot 3 16 4,17% 16%
    59 Scot Premier 3 4,71% 4%
    60 Segunda Liga 18 9,94% 7%
    61 Serbia SL 10 2,53% 12%
    62 Serie A 16 4,48% 8%
    63 Serie B 10 3,71% 5%
    64 Slovakia CL 4 5,85% 5%
    65 SloveniaPrva 3 -1,29% 5%
    66 Superettan 6 7,25% 6%
    67 Swiss 5 3,91% 9%
    68 Swiss 2 9 10,40% 9%
    69 Turkey SL 14 1,80% 10%
    70 Ukraine P L 11 0,97% 19%
    71 Uruguay 1 0 0%
    72 USA (NASL) 1 8,76% 6%

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    Definitely not suggesting you should give up or anything, was just wondering at which point results are due to a model, not variance. If, lets say n=300 or 500, would/could that still be variance? Just trying to figure out for myself when results are significant enough to abandon a model.

    GLGLGL

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    consider hypothesis that my model is wrong.
    do you realize what then would have to work?
    you would just bet closing lines that fade line movement and make a boatload.

    in my opinion what has happened to this thread is extreme variance and i definetly dont expect such dramatic movement in the future, hopefully i am starting to get good volume in the coming month so we´ll see what happens.
    Last edited by tukkk; 08-16-12 at 10:53 AM.

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    results at the moment

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    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
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    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10% Pinnacle
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    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
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    Pending :
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    24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
    Adding :
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81% SBObet

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    small datastream error, will update later
    Last edited by tukkk; 08-21-12 at 01:46 AM.

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    oh, still problems with ukrainian data lol
    Last edited by tukkk; 08-21-12 at 07:18 AM.

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    24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
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    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36% Pinnacle
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02% Pinnacle
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96% Pinnacle
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    24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
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    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
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    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
    25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% + 2 @ 2,50 0,22% Pinnacle
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
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    24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85% SBObet

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    24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85%
    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
    25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
    Adding :
    25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43% Pinnacle
    26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04% Pinnacle

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    24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85% + 3 @ 2,56 1,10% Dafabet
    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
    25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43%
    25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
    26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04%

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    25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43%
    25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
    26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04%
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    25.08 Canadian SL Niagara United St. Catharines Wolves under 3 @ 2,46 0,99% Pinnacle

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