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    great article about charlie sheen

    pretty funny cbs firing charlie for having too much fun, if they want a priest to work in their tv shows maybe that who they should hire, but who wants to watch that?




    It would take most of us a few dozen lifetimes to amass 2 million followers on Twitter. And yet Charlie Sheen managed it in less than a week.

    Last month, CBS Corp. (CBS) discontinued the hit comedy show “Two and a Half Men” after Sheen’s public jousting with senior management over a binge that the wild-man actor has described as “epic” and “radical.” Since then, he has become one of the biggest names on the planet.

    What is fascinating about this whole fandango isn’t Sheen’s public dramas. It is the way he has given us a master-class in modern media promotion and how Wall Street shareholders, who ultimately own his former employer, have allowed themselves to be so completely outwitted.

    Big companies seem to expect their celebrities to have stepped straight out of a 1950s suburb. From Kate Moss, to Tiger Woods, to Charlie Sheen, any hint of “inappropriate” behavior has the sponsors running faster than one of Sheen’s female companions can drop her, er, earrings.

    And yet if there is a single lesson to be learned from the last decade, it is that the public -- or the customer -- is more forgiving. In fact, the more outrageously a celebrity behaves, and the less contrition he or she shows, the more we find them alluring. It pays to be bad, and slightly nutty as well.

    If CBS can’t figure that out, perhaps it’s time the shareholders changed the management. Sheen clearly knows a lot more about how 21st-century business operates than they do.

    ‘Sober Valley Lodge’

    As I write, Sheen has sent a Twitter update from “Sober Valley Lodge.” Rachel, one of the “goddesses” he lives with, has just left the building. He’s keeping his new customers -- all 2 million of them -- informed of every development.

    Sheen has clearly struck a nerve. His over-the-top partying isn’t just amusing. It is the kind of escapism that audiences want. Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards has been an iconic figure for 40 years with his excessive lifestyle, so it wasn’t surprising to see that his autobiography topped the best-seller charts over Christmas. We don’t want celebrities who come across as drab and boring.

    When British model Kate Moss was photographed taking drugs, her sponsors ran for cover. But Moss soon came back as popular as ever. Golfer Tiger Woods was dropped by many of his corporate backers after his chaotic love life was revealed. But so what? Tiger is back on the circuit, and once his swing is restored to its best, it is a fair bet the sponsors will show up again.

    Bigger Than Ever

    Sheen’s new army of followers on Twitter suggests his audience is rooting for his return. Anyone can see he will bounce back a bigger star than ever. CBS may well end up rehiring him. If it does, it will probably have to double or triple his pay. If it doesn’t, someone else will.

    The odd thing is that they dropped him at all -- and that shareholders didn’t demand the board’s resignation. After all, the company made some catastrophic errors of judgment.

    First, Sheen is entitled to a private life. He’s not an elected official and doesn’t offer moral guidance to anyone. If he wants to party like a wild animal, that’s his business. He is a fine actor, as movies such as “Platoon” (1986) and “Wall Street” (1987) showed. It’s ridiculous to expect him to behave like a Sunday school teacher. Since when were sitcom stars expected to be celibate teetotalers? There is no obligation on him to live his life by anyone else’s rules.

    Companies Need Stars

    Second, he’s the talent. A hedge fund wouldn’t fire the star trader if he was a drug user or an alcoholic. It would have to get rid of half the staff if it did. A publishing house doesn’t drop its biggest-selling writer because he or she keeps a bottle of vodka next to the computer. There would be far fewer books to read if it did. Media companies need stars more than stars need media companies. It’s that simple.

    Third, and most importantly, they have misunderstood the way modern celebrity works. From Keith Richards to Paris Hilton to Charlie Sheen, we actually like the famous to be flamboyant, larger-than-life figures. They are Fantasy characters through whom many people live vicariously. We like them to live outrageous lives. They do stuff that most of us don’t, but are happy to read about, and laugh about. It increases their appeal -- and Sheen is simply the latest example of that.

    CBS doesn’t appear to get that. Neither does Wall Street. Fame is the essential raw material for any corporation in the entertainment industry. They should realize that Sheen, even with a bottle of bourbon in one hand and a porn star in the other, knows much more about business than they do.

    (Matthew Lynn is a Bloomberg News columnist and the author of “Bust,” a book on the Greek debt crisis. The opinions expressed are his own.)

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    charlie sheen is the best thing that has happened in a while

    he has adonis dna

    he is fukin amazing

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    Seems like it was a personal revenge he got fired. Not smart business for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TT22 View Post
    Seems like it was a personal revenge he got fired. Not smart business for sure.
    exactly, poor little baby producer got called names by the talent, too bad

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    good article

    It is going to be interesting how this all plays out

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    Now that's an interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

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    CBS are idiots. Charlie Sheen was giving them free publicity and if they started the show again now there would have been millions of new viewers. Charlie Sheen wins at the end and CBS loses a shitload of money.

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    You really think this guy is a hero? Honestly??

    He's got several kids, including two young boys. Is this really the best example he can set for them? Bragging about how he finishes off 7 gram rocks of cocaine, and pissing off millions of dollars on porn stars?

    I think this would have been awesome if he was a twenty-something with no commitments. But he's not....he's a guy in his late forties with young kids that need their father.

    He's no hero. He's a selfish, immature jerkoff.

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    lol'd hard that he's calling CBS "trolls"

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    just like the pitcher he played [WILD THING] hes got the CBS big hitters off balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    You really think this guy is a hero? Honestly??

    He's got several kids, including two young boys. Is this really the best example he can set for them? Bragging about how he finishes off 7 gram rocks of cocaine, and pissing off millions of dollars on porn stars?

    I think this would have been awesome if he was a twenty-something with no commitments. But he's not....he's a guy in his late forties with young kids that need their father.

    He's no hero. He's a selfish, immature jerkoff.
    Haha Haha Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Gramps. We got it. Moral turpitude is of utter importance to you.
    Seriosly, who gives two shits. Half of worlds parents are bad. Who cares if he does it on a grandiose scale for the world to see.
    Is it Better that he sticks them in pageants? Or makes them actors? Or Singers? or forces them into Ballet or Figure skating just because he needs something to live through??? Half of American Mothers and Fathers are on drugs (except they are legal since its a "pharmaceutical") or are alcoholics or having sex on the side.

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    ok opie

    i am sure he can finance all of his childrens trip to harvard, if that is what they desire. can you?

    i am also sure a few 100 million children would die to swap positions with them, he loves his children- that is all that matters

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    He gets fired from the highest paying job in TV. Yeah, he's "Winning", congrats Charlie, now what?

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    i think he looks like he is crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChileCheese View Post

    Haha Haha Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Gramps. We got it. Moral turpitude is of utter importance to you.
    Seriosly, who gives two shits. Half of worlds parents are bad. Who cares if he does it on a grandiose scale for the world to see.
    Is it Better that he sticks them in pageants? Or makes them actors? Or Singers? or forces them into Ballet or Figure skating just because he needs something to live through??? Half of American Mothers and Fathers are on drugs (except they are legal since its a "pharmaceutical") or are alcoholics or having sex on the side.
    Quote Originally Posted by wtf View Post
    ok opie

    i am sure he can finance all of his childrens trip to harvard, if that is what they desire. can you?

    i am also sure a few 100 million children would die to swap positions with them, he loves his children- that is all that matters
    Trust me......I'm far from a "moral turpitude" kind of guy. Like i said, if he didn't have kids that looked up to him than it would be great.

    But he does. So its not.

    ....and if you have kids, and disagree with this......then the truth is you're probably a selfish jerkoff as well.

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    Guys a wack job, might be dead in a year.

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    under!

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    Charlie Sheen is living his life the way he wants. His children know him as a good loving father who cares about them. Since he is single he can do whatever he wants on his spare time away from his kids. Since when liking to party with gorgeous women is considered a crime?

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    stupid article.

    when it all comes down to it, making a tv show is a risk and expensive enough as it is. if you are paying one of the actors 1.8 million per episode. that makes the risk that much bigger.

    if the show rides upon the shoulders of an individual who can not be trusted and is a loose cannon, capable of losing all the show's sponsors in one bad weekend or one big slip up rant in an interview. Its not worth it. the show had many good seasons I guess. I've never really watched it. but somtimes you gotta know when to fold em.

    is the guy captivating the attention of many americans? yes, or well he was. But it wasn't "fantasy, you're my idol, I wish I was you charlie sheen" attention.

    it was the kind of attention that a gruesome auto accident with casualities gets on the highway. People slow down, and look. But eventually they get back on with their trip.

    Sheen is taking his star power, and turning it into an ever dwindling 15 mins of shock-and-awe WTF fame.

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    You are wrong. Charlie Sheen is the show. This is why people watch it. That's like trading Michael Jordan for the Bulls and expect them to win an NBA championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Charlie Sheen is living his life the way he wants. His children know him as a good loving father who cares about them. Since he is single he can do whatever he wants on his spare time away from his kids. Since when liking to party with gorgeous women is considered a crime?

    have you talked to his children? Very few people have the kind of info you are pretending to have.

    the issue isn't whether its a crime or not. (but by the way, I think alot of things that Sheen has done in the past during "partying" have been quite illegal)

    the point of the article was to say that Sheen is being a smart "publicist"

    I disagree, he may have a large "following" on twitter or whatever little fake tv shows he is trying to do. but it is anything but "winning"?

    people are laughing at him, not with him, and many of them are not rooting for him.

    the guy is begging tiny little beverage companies to pay him to tout their wares. obviously he doesn't have much money left and is desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    You are wrong. Charlie Sheen is the show. This is why people watch it. That's like trading Michael Jordan for the Bulls and expect them to win an NBA championship.

    yeah well maybe if this metaphor was more accurate to the picture we are talking about it would make sense.

    CBS is not looking to invest in a Michael Jordan type quantity here...


    they are looking to NOT pay or base their $ on a risk akin to a Len Bias, Steve Howe, Dwight Gooden, Plaxico Burress, Maurice Clarett, Rae Caruth type quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chandler View Post
    yeah well maybe if this metaphor was more accurate to the picture we are talking about it would make sense.

    CBS is not looking to invest in a Michael Jordan type quantity here...


    they are looking to NOT pay or base their $ on a risk akin to a Len Bias, Steve Howe, Dwight Gooden, Plaxico Burress, Maurice Clarett, Rae Caruth type quantity.
    Charlie Sheen carried the show for 10 years as #1. He made CBS 5 billion dollars from advertising revenue. How much money did Ray Caruth make for the Panthers?

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    CBS is in the right and has every right to fire him for his actions. Although they may lose money initially, I think in the long run they saved themselves from potential disaster. At the rate Charlie Sheen is going, he will be dead in a year anyways, and CBS has cut all ties with him so they won't be included in this train wreck when it all comes crashing down.

    Not shocked in any way that he has that many followers, twitter, on here, etc. because even though its a shame, the world seems to love to cling on to train wrecks. When he eventually overdoses, do you really think all these followers will really care; I mean afterall these are individuals that enjoy watching someone harm themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Charlie Sheen carried the show for 10 years as #1. He made CBS 5 billion dollars from advertising revenue. How much money did Ray Caruth make for the Panthers?
    the idea and spirit of the post went over your head. which is not suprising. since you were the author of the Michael Jordan being traded=Charlie Sheen being fired metaphor.

    the point is: regardless of how much money he has made in the past. richer and smarter men, made the difficult decision that Charlie was not worth the risk anymore.

    I doubt any large amount of $ will come his way for quite some time

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    risk? what risk?

    you dont think there are other stars currently employed that party

    now the papparazzi covers evertyime someone farts

    CBS was complicit in his partying all the way up until he called one of the producers names, then he crossed the line

    you actually think cbs cares about human beings? they chew them up and spit them out

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    CBS is loaded, they have 13 out of the top 25 shows on the air.
    NCIC and CSI franchises are cash cows.
    Letterman and his production company World Wide Pants generates beau coup money.

    They will not miss Sheen, the show may lose some viewers without him, but the show will still be top 10 without him.
    Wayne Rodgers left Mash, the show did gazillions for 8 years after that.
    Moriarity left Law and Order, Waterson took over and the show went for another record 16 years without him.

    Caruso left NYPD Blue, everybody thought doomsday, Smits took the show to record numbers.
    Believe me there is Jimy Smits out there for 2 1/2 Men.

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    guy is quite the poet

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    Sheen is starting to fall out of his hypo mania, and realize all the dumb shit he did and said, and try to lie his way out of it.
    "I was just acting"

    loser

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