[KVB]

The defense best witness, the medical examiner did them in today.

Just wow.

So much for the theory that he was on drugs and overdosing.

Turns out that didn't even really have a basis for truth.

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid
Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicology expert who did lab work for Floyd's case, testified on April 8 that Floyd's hospital blood and autopsy urine contained low levels of fentanyl and methamphetamine.

He said Floyd's blood sample had 11 nanograms of fentanyl per milliliter and 5.6 nanograms of norfentanyl per milliliter. He said the level of methamphetamine was "low" and consistent with a prescription dose.

He said those levels of fentanyl and methamphetamine are significantly lower than the average amount seen in blood samples of DUI suspects, and much lower than post-mortem cases for individuals who die from drug overdoses.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/medical-wi...ry?id=76899934

Berried.

[wikkidinsane]

Just wow.

So much for the theory that he was on drugs and overdosing.

Turns out that didn't even really have a basis for truth.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/medical-wi...ry?id=76899934

Berried.

The medical examiner today also stated the cause of death listed basically meant his heart and lung stopped and the drugs and floyds high blood pressure wanst the direct cause of death. buried,

[KVB]

[BuckyOne]

this is nonsense and is in direct contradiction to what's been offered in court:
Dr. Martin Tobin of Chicago identified four main reasons why Floyd died: the handcuffs and the street acting as a "vise;" Chauvin's left knee on his neck; Floyd's prone position; and Chauvin's right knee on Floyd's back, arm and side. Combined, these limited Floyd's ability to expand his lungs and narrowed his hypopharynx, a part of the throat that air passes through.
Good post above by B oa up there.
I've got cops in the family too, my grandfather was a cop. Who repeatedly warned me to never trust a cop.
He often spoke of 4 massive changes in policing in his lifetime; 1) police becoming fundraisers/a revenue machine for the locals, 2) the "war" on drugs that results in small level drug dealers going to prison for much longer sentences than violent criminals, 3) the privatization of the prison industry which lobbies against any changes to laws that would result in less prisoners, and 4) the militarization of the police.

None of which benefits the general public, at all. And it's all given more power to police.

I do not know how bars can make a go of it anymore.

MPD does appear to have attempted to properly train officers. I am curious if they follow up in the field. For example: anything serious for a backup call ? couldn't an observer go along at that time. Somehow, some way abusive stops need to be cleaned up. But, to make arrests/stops for the revenue side of it is an addiction of sorts.

Maintain a top quota/bounty, whatever, provides job security?

[MinnesotaFats]

I do not know how bars can make a go of it anymore.

MPD does appear to have attempted to properly train officers. I am curious if they follow up in the field. For example: anything serious for a backup call ? couldn't an observer go along at that time. Somehow, some way abusive stops need to be cleaned up. But, to make arrests/stops for the revenue side of it is an addiction of sorts.

Maintain a top quota/bounty, whatever, provides job security?

This is where PC interacts w reality

You have a drugged up 6'4 280 pound Subject

You have 1 vet police dude

And his quotation hire parter, either a female or a 5'3 Hmong or a deaf guy, etc

You see the problem here....?

Affirmative action fail

Look at the 4 cops and the chief, they look like the poster boys for a city hiring quotation says the female.

In a State of 90% whites.....only 1 of 5 here on trial.

[BrickJames]

What it all boils down to is that police are payed to protect respected tax paying citizens from worthless black citizens who sponge the tax money of everyone else, all while crying racism.

Derek Chauvin did his job and did it well. He should get a fukkin award. Not a trial.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

So was he 3.5 fatal limit of fetanyl or not

Meth isn't even a huge one for me
It's the fetanyl

That's everything in this case IMO
If it's 100% that he wouldn't of died
from the drugs he consumed then my stance changes

What's the word Minny .....

[Fidel_CashFlow]

People more angry over a career criminal dying
and where maybe... just maybe it could of been
handled differently than they are a story of a random
cop shot in the face during a traffic stop
That's fukking sad . Some of you reading this
right now is guilty as fukk of what i just said
Your so caught up in whatever narrative your going at
that you could care less when you see the stories of
cops being killed in line of duty by not
demanding respect and getting control of situation
no matter the force needed . There the ones
who gotta go home to theirfamilies they kissed
before walking out that door with their uniform on
They are actually out there in the field risking
their lives ... not playing
armchair Cop like most of ya in ur cozy houses

99.7 % black violent deaths are not caused
by the police .... let's focus on the .3% though
People more mad at someone bringing
that stat up than the people doing it

Can have black excellence and be so so
proud , but if a white man is proud of his color
then they need to just tone their self respect
down a little and quit being racist.

Nothing wrong with being a proud white man
We've gotten A LOT of shit done to make
America into the nation that people are
risking their lives and DYING
to come live at

This society shift is unique as its happening
right directly I'm front of us
I really do feel a lot of ppl who were nerds. or outcasts, whatever you wanna call it
Men who have a lot of rage from past or present inadequacies
and the women who are like this are usually ugly women who hate all men and they hate all pretty women
and are just scorned in general in life
who makeup this new defeatism,cancel culture
too sensitive white self hate narrative that's taking over

40 years from now every guy gonna look like
the Big Bang Theory dudes




White power, black power , Hispanic power
Asian power, you name it

Nothing wrong with being proud of your lineage
Nothing wrongbwith having self pride inside you

But fukk telling a race they can't be proud of who they
are ... yet suppose to go above and beyond to make
sure you feel confident with yourself . That's where
I draw the line.... not gonna make me feel bad for being
proud .... if that bothers you ... fix whatever in your life
that's making you that way

The BLM was based supposedly because of this case
Pure feelings over facts situation that most
like to run with , cuz you see BLM is full of
shit because if cops were true harm for blacks
then it sure in the fukk would account
for more than. 3 percent of black violent deaths
Thats one third of 1 percent ...
And that less than a percentage stat
is what BLM ran with to start all this shit


Even with all this said.
Still hope Chauvin does some time
He seems like the type of cop that gets
other good cops in harms way
FUK EMM

[wikkidinsane]

What it all boils down to is that police are payed to protect respected tax paying citizens from worthless black citizens who sponge the tax money of everyone else, all while crying racism.

Derek Chauvin did his job and did it well. He should get a fukkin award. Not a trial.

you should have been on the end of the boot and that curb you worthless (whatever color you are) trash

[wikkidinsane]

So was he 3.5 fatal limit of fetanyl or not

Meth isn't even a huge one for me
It's the fetanyl

That's everything in this case IMO
If it's 100% that he wouldn't of died
from the drugs he consumed then my stance changes

What's the word Minny .....

the medical examiner determined that didnt cause his death. especially floyd was a frequent user so his tolerance was more likely higher.

[wikkidinsane]

This is where PC interacts w reality

You have a drugged up 6'4 280 pound Subject

You have 1 vet police dude

And his quotation hire parter, either a female or a 5'3 Hmong or a deaf guy, etc

You see the problem here....?

Affirmative action fail

Look at the 4 cops and the chief, they look like the poster boys for a city hiring quotation says the female.

In a State of 90% whites.....only 1 of 5 here on trial.

alll the drugs in the world shouldnt allow an officer who is being paid off tax dollars to kill someone whether they are outstanding members of society or people addicted to drugs, they are citizens too. Chauvin failed at his job. He is not suppose to be the executioner.

[KVB]

...You have a drugged up 6'4 280 pound Subject...

So was he 3.5 fatal limit of fetanyl or not...

Court testimony disputes these statements.

Which begs the question where did you guys get your info?

Assumptions?

Rachel Maddow?

Fox?

Costa Rican hookers?

Jack Ma's sloppy seconds?

LMAO!!!!

[WireWire]

F*ck George Floyd, F*ck BLM, F*ck your feelings, Don't be a junkie and you would still be living simple, sick of hearing about this shit STILL!

[BrickJames]

you should have been on the end of the boot and that curb you worthless (whatever color you are) trash

Would never happen because I'm not a whining bitch who doesn't know how to follow orders and resists arrest.

I don't pass fake money and I don't do drugs.

[MinnesotaFats]

Court testimony disputes these statements.

Which begs the question where did you guys get your info?

Assumptions?

Rachel Maddow?

Fox?

Costa Rican hookers?

Jack Ma's sloppy seconds?

LMAO!!!!

Wikki, Chauvin was not an executionor ok. He didn't wake up and set out to kill Floyd. Stop inciting.

KVB, the media is misguided you on the effect of the testimony from the Detroit ME (interesting how they grab a guy from Detroit when we gave both UofM and Mayo Clinic here???).



The testimony everyone is saying buried Chauvin was apples and oranges. That doc referenced DWI survivors fentonyol breakdown process and timing, but got torched by Chauvin lawyer...

[KVB]

Not buying it Fatty.

We have evidence, then we have specualtion on what he "might have done" in some effort to create reasonable doubt.

But what very few of you even understand about this, just look at the title of the thread, George Floyd is not on trial.

Not a very good defense team for Chauvin, they are not doing much to actually refute the facts of the case or create any reasonable doubt as to whether or not Chavuin directly killed a man.

It's pretty cut and dry, to be honest.

What's worse, is that we still don't see any evidence that Floyd was "drugged up" as it has been portrayed.

Everyone got that wrong.

[MinnesotaFats]

He had a lethal dose dude

That's confirmed



What the prosecution is saying is that no no he's a high functioning user

[KVB]

But whether or not he had a lethal dose is speculation.

Whether or not Chauvin violated procedure all while he continued to press on the airways after Floyd was out cold, leading to the cause of death, is not debated at all.

Cut and dry.

Terrible defense team. Chauvin should have pled guilty.

[MinnesotaFats]

But whether or not he had a lethal dose is speculation.

Whether or not Chauvin violated procedure all while he continued to press on the airways after Floyd was out cold, leading to the cause of death, is not debated at all.

Cut and dry.

Terrible defense team. Chauvin should have pled guilty.

No no you're missing the logic here

If I'm a functioning alcoholic should my allowable BAC be .15 instead of .08? The medical world has determined. 08 to be a level of intoxicated impairment regardless of my high functioning tolerance.

So, if the medical world has determined fentynol level of 3 to be an overdose and Floyd is above 3 then he has overdosed by definition.

At that point, whether or not he survives his overdose isn't the responsibility of the MPLS police department or its officers, and unless any unapproved means of submission were used (and the Chief already gave testimony about the knee to the shoulder being appropriate in mpls training) then you have created reasonable doubt.

[KVB]

No Fatty.

The defense has become "George Floyd would have died if our client hadn't killed him first."

Chauvin should have pled guilty with this evidence.

Testimony already showed that the knee on the kneck was an unapproved means of submission.

The testimony shows it was the knee to the neck that mattered.

Not sure how a shoulder even comes into play here, there is no doubt about what happened that day.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Man you can smell certain motives
from a mile away
Just gotta steer clear ,only way with these types

Enjoy this trial everyone

It's HUGE stuff ...fills in blank voids
of the day .

There's a lot of feelings involved

The feelings of this individual trial def outweighs the statistics all over the USA .

[mngambler]

George Floyd was a terrible human but didn't deserve to die by some charged up douchebag cop who gets his rocks off 'being in charge' I hope they fry that p*gs azz with a 2nd degree conviction

[MinnesotaFats]

No Fatty.

The defense has become "George Floyd would have died if our client hadn't killed him first."

Chauvin should have pled guilty with this evidence.

Testimony already showed that the knee on the kneck was an unapproved means of submission.

The testimony shows it was the knee to the neck that mattered.

Not sure how a shoulder even comes into play here, there is no doubt about what happened that day.

???

Here's a link to the testimony.

https://www.lawofficer.com/chavin-tr...der-blade/?amp

I'm not sure what you're reading exactly. The Chief testifies that Chauvin is on the shoulder and there is clear documentation about approved policy regarding this tactic in submission of a suspect. So that's 1 reasonable doubt.

No. 2 is, from a legal perspective (forget what you think...just what is defined by medical experts), the medical community has a history of classifying deaths involving fentonyl as overdoses at level 3 or above. Floyd was I believe 4 at death, and more was invested just prior as well, which the prosecutions own witness had admitted could have doubled the amount in his system.

So if 3 is legal to sign a death certificate as overdose, then a guy already at 3.5 and maybe going even higher, was already classified as having overdosed.

In law you need only create reasonable doubt for murder charges.

Manslaughter is different because that maybe involves negligence and that different from an argument. Chauvin clearly showed negligence.

That is why the MN Supreme Court reinstated the murder 3 charge, but the State is really pursuing Murder 2 and so far they have failed, the State has 0 shot at murder 2 and the mpls police chief should also be fired for lying under oath regarding training (per link I sent).

Murder 3 is probable at this point...but depending on what else they can bring out regarding cardiovascular conditions, etc that too might be a stretch.

Afterall....if Floyd had died doing a tough mudder w this tox report would you arrest the event organizer and charge w murder 2?

No, GF had underlying conditions of both internal and external nature, from bad heart to lifestyle choices, that made a routine & approved arrest technique fatal for him.

That is reasonable doubt

The prosecution should be scrambling for a plea of 5 years, out in 2.5 w time served to date.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Falling on deaf ears man

why I’m trying not to waste time fukking with it

last night was buzzing hard though

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Fukk it , I’ll bite , just cuz it’s embarrassing

the so called STAR WITNESS for the prosecution ,the toxicologist that is being posted above

Who posted the spreadsheet that the ruling of fentanyl overdose is being questioned on

and showing basically what was said above , and didn’t even fail to mention

How the people on spreadsheet were not overdoses of fentanyl as data

but were gunshot and stabbing victims lmao ...the defense busted his dork as hard on that fact

so the states toxicologist data was completely false because what the data

showed were from people who died of violence ...so wtf point is proven

and difference does it make because the victims used were shot in the head

and stabbed in the chest .... not overdoses from their fentanyl amount

here’s the guy the snowflakes are relying on for the state





They also had to make the so called expert toxicologist admit that George Floyd’s left side

of his heart was 90% blocked and that mixing drugs causes more stronger effects

and is terrible for the heart

made him have to admit it even though he didn’t want to

and lmao you can tell people are reaching ,

come out of the woodworks when this was said in court

and the toxicologists started to say shit that are completely out of his expertise

and the lawyers embarrassingly had to remind THE STAR WITNESS

that he is only a toxicologist, not a pathologist and he can’t even begin

to rule what caused a person to be deceased,lol

Derek Chauvin will get found guilty no matter what

but that’s still funny as fukk

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Looking at this from afar:

*Chauvin will be found Guilty, for sure.

I say that just b/c the outcry for Not Guilty would be an insurrection.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

The defense has become "George Floyd would have died if our client hadn't killed him first."

“Isn’t it possible for someone to just regular die while they are being murdered by the police?”

[KVB]

???

Here's a link to the testimony.

https://www.lawofficer.com/chavin-tr...der-blade/?amp

I'm not sure what you're reading exactly. The Chief testifies that Chauvin is on the shoulder and there is clear documentation about approved policy regarding this tactic in submission of a suspect. So that's 1 reasonable doubt.

No. 2 is, from a legal perspective (forget what you think...just what is defined by medical experts), the medical community has a history of classifying deaths involving fentonyl as overdoses at level 3 or above. Floyd was I believe 4 at death, and more was invested just prior as well, which the prosecutions own witness had admitted could have doubled the amount in his system.

So if 3 is legal to sign a death certificate as overdose, then a guy already at 3.5 and maybe going even higher, was already classified as having overdosed.

In law you need only create reasonable doubt for murder charges.

Manslaughter is different because that maybe involves negligence and that different from an argument. Chauvin clearly showed negligence.

That is why the MN Supreme Court reinstated the murder 3 charge, but the State is really pursuing Murder 2 and so far they have failed, the State has 0 shot at murder 2 and the mpls police chief should also be fired for lying under oath regarding training (per link I sent).

Murder 3 is probable at this point...but depending on what else they can bring out regarding cardiovascular conditions, etc that too might be a stretch.

Afterall....if Floyd had died doing a tough mudder w this tox report would you arrest the event organizer and charge w murder 2?

No, GF had underlying conditions of both internal and external nature, from bad heart to lifestyle choices, that made a routine & approved arrest technique fatal for him.

That is reasonable doubt

The prosecution should be scrambling for a plea of 5 years, out in 2.5 w time served to date.

So you are saying that court evidence and testimony says there was never a knee on the neck?

You're saying that after rendering the resisting suspect unconscious that Chauvin then took efforts to insure recovery, like policy states?

You're saying there is doubt as to whether or not George Floyd died from lack of oxygen and that there is doubt that Chauvin was responsible for that.

Is that what you're saying?

Horrible defense here.

Chauvin should have pled out.

No matter what happened with George Floyd, George Floyd and his character and actions are largely irrelevent. Do you get that?

It's a trial for show and you are getting sucked in to everything but rality.

Embarrassing.

[KVB]

The defense really is..."George Floyd would have died if my client hadn't killed him first."

It's a kangaroo court folks.

Really is nothing to see here but a bunch of people that somehow think George Floyd is on trial here.

[KVB]

“Isn’t it possible for someone to just regular die while they are being murdered by the police?”

[KVB]

Looking at this from afar:

*Chauvin will be found Guilty, for sure.

I say that just b/c the outcry for Not Guilty would be an insurrection.

Could be OJ times 10. A true nationwide eruption.

[The Kraken]

Fukk it , I’ll bite , just cuz it’s embarrassing

the so called STAR WITNESS for the prosecution ,the toxicologist that is being posted above

Who posted the spreadsheet that the ruling of fentanyl overdose is being questioned on

and showing basically what was said above , and didn’t even fail to mention

How the people on spreadsheet were not overdoses of fentanyl as data

but were gunshot and stabbing victims lmao ...the defense busted his dork as hard on that fact

so the states toxicologist data was completely false because what the data

showed were from people who died of violence ...so wtf point is proven

and difference does it make because the victims used were shot in the head

and stabbed in the chest .... not overdoses from their fentanyl amount

here’s the guy the snowflakes are relying on for the state





They also had to make the so called expert toxicologist admit that George Floyd’s left side

of his heart was 90% blocked and that mixing drugs causes more stronger effects

and is terrible for the heart

made him have to admit it even though he didn’t want to

and lmao you can tell people are reaching ,

come out of the woodworks when this was said in court

and the toxicologists started to say shit that are completely out of his expertise

and the lawyers embarrassingly had to remind THE STAR WITNESS

that he is only a toxicologist, not a pathologist and he can’t even begin

to rule what caused a person to be deceased,lol

Derek Chauvin will get found guilty no matter what

but that’s still funny as fukk

Which artery was 90% blocked, at which segment of that artery, I demand an answer

If it was the left main artery or proximal LAD or Proximal Circumflex, you have a point

If it’s a 90% mid diagnonal, distal LAD, or a small obtuse marginal branch, it’s meaningless...

[KVB]

Which artery was 90% blocked, at which segment of that artery, I demand an answer

If it was the left main artery or proximal LAD or Proximal Circumflex, you have a point

If it’s a 90% mid diagnonal, distal LAD, or a small obtuse marginal branch, it’s meaningless...

Does it really matter though?

And more to the point, does him overdosing really matter?

Plenty of people overdose and survive.

The vast majority of them, I would assume, aren't handcuffed and don't have a knee pinning them face down on the street, limiting air supply, until they pass out, and them some, all while overdosing.

Does George Floyd's condition really matter when it's been established that Chauvin could have killed a healthy man with what he did and for how long he did it.

Do we even have to speculate what would have happened to a healthy man?

It very much so seems like this case is dragging on, being about George Floyd, rather than Chauvin for the mere purpose of showing the viewers that the court system is doing something about dumb ass cops.

If Chauvin walked, the country will burn. But that's no reason to convict him, the testimony and evidence takes care of that itself.

[KVB]

So do you guys just spin around in this thread all day or don't you have any agreed upon stipulations for the court case?

Some of you think the knee was on the shoulder and not cutting off airways.

Some of you believe there was a fentanyl overdose, something which I have personally witnessed more than once.

Never, and I mean never, did an optiate overdose involve a guy screaming or even talking about not being able to breath or that he was in trouble or overdosing.

They always just pass out and don't even no they are in distress, or at least don't show it.

Do you guys that want to put Floyd on trial also dispute the time Chauvin was on him, the moments Floyd went motionless, and the moment he stopped breathing?

Did these things happen in your world?

Are there any stipulations with this case or is there an "answer" for everthing we saw in the video and heard in court?

Serious question but I'll be honest, I'm only so curious so I'm not exactly checking this thread all the time. I find this thread full of misinformation driven by incorrect preconceived notions and outright blinding bias in the interpretaions of the testimony.

[Kermit]

What is the story with Floyd's friend who didn't want to testify because he feared that he may get himself charged with 3rd degree murder?

This is getting crazy.