[Weems2k]

Doing some perspective thinking these past couple days. Is this history repeating itself again? When Obummer won in 2008, everyone said he was the great healer for a country divided. I won't disagree that Bush's 2nd term was a disaster, which is why Obama won so easily. But he wasn't anything close to a unified President. In fact, he stoked more hate, more racism, more BS than anyone. Not to mention cramming down a crappy health plan that nobody wanted, and millions today are still stuck with.

Enter 2016, and Trump. People were fed up with the phony politicians, and their games. Trump ran on Borders, Language, and Culture, while not being afraid to tell it like it is. Good or bad. And he won. Of course after 8 years of entitlement, Libs, and the media would never accept that, and so you saw the last 4 years of their bullsh**.

Which brings us to now. The US is even more divided. Old Joe got "elected", and is now being proclaimed as the next great healer, just like in 2008. Usually, when history repeats itself, it's 10x worse. So buckle in. 2020 may well just be a pimple to what 2021 brings. For the record, I'm about as independent as there is, so my faith in the Repub's isn't too great right now as well.

[maxell]

This could turn into a major disaster when Biden is replaced. Tough sailing ahead.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

The two party system is there to create a divide. Nothing more nothing less...

You should see all the lies these candidates say before the election and how many they actually fulfill. Most likely none that benefit the middle class.

"No more new taxes." Bullshit!!!
"For people, for a change." Bullshit!!!
"Safer world and a more hopeful America." Bullshit!!!
"Yes we can." "Change we can believe in." Bullshit and Bullshit!!!
"Make America great again." Bullshit!!!
"Our best days still lie ahead." Bullshit!!!

All these former presidents are nothing but corporate shills and puppets that work for the Global Elites.

If we want true change in our government, we need an independent candidate. Democrat or a Republican, they're all the same.

Two party system is the main culprit for "Divide and Conquer"

[maxell]

You want to become a millionaire? Run for Congress!

[Ghenghis Kahn]

You want to become a millionaire? Run for Congress!

But first you have to sign the dotted line and sell your soul.

[jtoler]

Doing some perspective thinking these past couple days. Is this history repeating itself again? When Obummer won in 2008, everyone said he was the great healer for a country divided. I won't disagree that Bush's 2nd term was a disaster, which is why Obama won so easily. But he wasn't anything close to a unified President. In fact, he stoked more hate, more racism, more BS than anyone. Not to mention cramming down a crappy health plan that nobody wanted, and millions today are still stuck with.

Enter 2016, and Trump. People were fed up with the phony politicians, and their games. Trump ran on Borders, Language, and Culture, while not being afraid to tell it like it is. Good or bad. And he won. Of course after 8 years of entitlement, Libs, and the media would never accept that, and so you saw the last 4 years of their bullsh**.

Which brings us to now. The US is even more divided. Old Joe got "elected", and is now being proclaimed as the next great healer, just like in 2008. Usually, when history repeats itself, it's 10x worse. So buckle in. 2020 may well just be a pimple to what 2021 brings. For the record, I'm about as independent as there is, so my faith in the Repub's isn't too great right now as well.

reason, common sense, and logic would say that all that division u speak of is the purpose

[MinnesotaFats]

The two party system is there to create a divide. Nothing more nothing less...

You should see all the lies these candidates say before the election and how many they actually fulfill. Most likely none that benefit the middle class.

"No more new taxes." Bullshit!!!
"For people, for a change." Bullshit!!!
"Safer world and a more hopeful America." Bullshit!!!
"Yes we can." "Change we can believe in." Bullshit and Bullshit!!!
"Make America great again." Bullshit!!!
"Our best days still lie ahead." Bullshit!!!

All these former presidents are nothing but corporate shills and puppets that work for the Global Elites.

If we want true change in our government, we need an independent candidate. Democrat or a Republican, they're all the same.

Two party system is the main culprit for "Divide and Conquer"

Trump was the 3rd party....nobody realizes this

Trump was what 70% of Americans wanted, an anti war, fiscally conservative but socially liberal President.

Half the Biden voters agree on Trumps social and international policies more than they do with Biden, but don't even know it.

The election results are being heralded by both sides here because this ENDED the 3rd party hopes in America, not started talk of them.

[louisvillekid]

Doing some perspective thinking these past couple days. Is this history repeating itself again? When Obummer won in 2008, everyone said he was the great healer for a country divided. I won't disagree that Bush's 2nd term was a disaster, which is why Obama won so easily. But he wasn't anything close to a unified President. In fact, he stoked more hate, more racism, more BS than anyone. Not to mention cramming down a crappy health plan that nobody wanted, and millions today are still stuck with.

Enter 2016, and Trump. People were fed up with the phony politicians, and their games. Trump ran on Borders, Language, and Culture, while not being afraid to tell it like it is. Good or bad. And he won. Of course after 8 years of entitlement, Libs, and the media would never accept that, and so you saw the last 4 years of their bullsh**.

Which brings us to now. The US is even more divided. Old Joe got "elected", and is now being proclaimed as the next great healer, just like in 2008. Usually, when history repeats itself, it's 10x worse. So buckle in. 2020 may well just be a pimple to what 2021 brings. For the record, I'm about as independent as there is, so my faith in the Repub's isn't too great right now as well.

Well 25+ years of AM right wing talk radio and Fox "Infotainment" News tend to keep people pent up by having people fake rage the twisted distorted news stories at simps listening while they work or kicked back in their recliners. All while those paid on-air political blowhard bobbleheads have personal security and chauffeured rides back to their mansions or penthouses.
I'll never understand the idea of wanting to listen to some douche trying to act like they're mad, and on top of that, throw in how patriotic of a service they are doing by informing you of the news stories, but only in their opinionated disingenuous version.
I listen to music when I'm driving. I listen to music while working. Yet there is always some jackleg at work always mouthing about what they heard on so-n-so's program, and trying drag people into their miserable mood and get an argument going.
My ongoing joke to people that bring up such-n-such show, and want to try and discuss what they heard that morning/day - is I'll always say something like "The first time I ever listened to talk-radio while on the clock was when 9/11 happened. So until the next 9/11, I don't care, or know, what was said on [insert program] today's show."

And the insurance thing I don't get. It's optional to have health insurance. Even if employer sponsored and they foot a percentage of premiums. People don't have to sign up for it. And I never once had to pay some sort of fine for not having any. I didn't have insurance for 2 years, from about early 2014-beginning 2016. I remember in late 90s having to pay around $22 a week out of my paycheck, and deductibles and co-pays were like 2500 and 20 or 25 bucks. Then in maybe 2001 to 2003 it was around same at another jobs, deductibles and co-pays around same and weekly was like $25. Then around 2005-06 I remember a job where it was about the same and weekly was about $23. Then around 09-10, same thing, weekly was about $27-28 and deductibles and co-pays in same range. Late 2016 into 2017, same thing, my weekly was around $26, at that job I remember there was 4 tiers. I went cheap and went tier 3. Tier 4 technically wasn't a HMO, it was just a HSA. I think tier 3 had around a 3500 deductible and my co-pays for regular dr were 25, but a specialist was 35. I just remember tier 1 would've cost almost 100 a week. But it had only a 1500 deductible and like 20 and 25 copays.
I've also over past 20 years, bought individual health insurance, either before the ACA or after it took effect. Cheapest was around 2000ish, i think I got an Anthem plan for about 200, with reasonable deducts and standard co-pays. Then I think again around 04-05 and it was around 220ish. And last time I bought any was in late 2015 or early 2016(i think i had sign up in late 2015 and plan started in 2016) and it was around 270 with I think a 3600, or 3800 deduct, and co-pays were 25 reg dr and 30 specialist.
And I didn't qualify for any "subsidies." Apparently even if you live paycheck to paycheck but are single, the government doesn't think you're broke until you make less than 11k(like ten thousand something.)

I just don't understand all the noise from people over past 8-9 years or so acting like their healthcare is highest it's ever been and the worst plan they've ever had. Prices fluctuate, markets fluctuate, yearly inflation, cost of living rises and capitalism keeps running it's course.
It reminds me of how in 2017 all of the sudden people(some) were acting like they were making most money they had ever made and their 401k was the highest it had ever been. I had old buddies from HS acting like somehow from 08-09ish till 2016 they were eating ramen noodles daily and their 401k was the lowest ever, but magically by 2017 they were eating out at steak houses every night and never made the kind of money at their job in previous years, and their 401k was highest it had ever been.
Everything is supposed to go up. That's the whole point of capitalism.

[Optional]

Trump was the 3rd party....nobody realizes this

Trump was what 70% of Americans wanted, an anti war, fiscally conservative but socially liberal President.

Half the Biden voters agree on Trumps social and international policies more than they do with Biden, but don't even know it.

The election results are being heralded by both sides here because this ENDED the 3rd party hopes in America, not started talk of them.

I agree with most of this but the last part.

I think he has opened the door for another non-politician businessman in the office.

Just need one that appears more level headed and will respect that party's values, instead of making a "hostile takeover" of the party as Eric called it.

A tech leader type like Elon Musk or even Bill Gates for example.

People voted for GOP, just too many voted against Trump himself.

[cincinnatikid513]

Trump was the 3rd party....nobody realizes this

Trump was what 70% of Americans wanted, an anti war, fiscally conservative but socially liberal President.

Half the Biden voters agree on Trumps social and international policies more than they do with Biden, but don't even know it.

The election results are being heralded by both sides here because this ENDED the 3rd party hopes in America, not started talk of them.

fiscally conservative hmm not quite, spent tons of money

[VeggieDog]

If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

[rkelly110]

If trump wasn't such a rump as a person, he might've done some good things. Instead he alienated us from the world, divided us as a nation and was only in it for himself. He was the wrong kind of businessman leader. He was in debt up to his neck. Tweeted like a 10 year old. He lost the race all by himself. It still boggles my mind how many voted for his sorry ass.

[Auto Donk]

biden a "great healer"....

now that shit is funny..... the guy destroyed his own family, finger banged/touched his daughter in the shower, raised a pathetic crackhead with no values, raped senate intern tara reade, called black people super predators living in a jungle, grew chia seed on his head, calls his opponents names, says indian people in seven elevens stink, and has never done a damn thing to heal anyone in his life.....

this corrupt piece of shit has probably only healed one thing in his life, in recent decades, to be exact.....

you can tell by the way he walks all f'd up, and the way he jogs out onto those stages like a cross between one of jerry's kids and those guests that willard scott used to wheel out on his show when they turned 100....... hes clearly had issues with them, and the only thing joe can heal, he gets help from this:

[MinnesotaFats]

fiscally conservative hmm not quite, spent tons of money

Well, hold on here, Corona epidemic aside he was never outside the rate of inflation.

The CARES act is really borrowed money at nearly 0% interest w the treasury still able to go negative rates if needed to fund more (Biden will do this if Dems win Senate) but that would eliminate the dollar as world currency once and for all...

[MinnesotaFats]

I agree with most of this but the last part.

I think he has opened the door for another non-politician businessman in the office.

Just need one that appears more level headed and will respect that party's values, instead of making a "hostile takeover" of the party as Eric called it.

A tech leader type like Elon Musk or even Bill Gates for example.

People voted for GOP, just too many voted against Trump himself.

No level headed person would take the amount of shit, non stop, for 4 years this guy took.

It will never happen again in our lifetimes, that a 3rd party dude gets a major party nomination.

And it's sad....Trumps policies were populous and in tune w America. Trump the man was a lightening bolt.