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    Never underestimate the power of prayer.

    Read this today.
    So true.
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    What happens when we overestimate its power? How can we make sure we are making the correct estimate of its power?

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    Amen
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    Believe is to achieve!! If there is a will there is a way!!

    Combine power in prayer and absolute belief in faith and that faith will move mountains. It's gotta be for a good cause though and be on the same page with the man upstairs..

    I'm a firm believer in this..
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    Pray.
    Self reflection.
    It’s all we have
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bcatswin View Post
    Amen
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    ...Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.

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    You'd think with you people praying for the victims of shootings---your god would knock that shit off.

    I guess she hates you. Or praying is for meatballs.

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    Thank you Quant
    I am praying for you
    God Bless

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    A Q


    you dont understand the nature of God


    Sammy will pray for you

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    Quant please self reflect if you don’t believe in prayer

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    The physicists (at least many of them) believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing. At least out of quantum foam; or the quantum field.

    They would dismiss prayer by saying "praying to whom?"

    As we see from the recent mass shootings; if there's an intelligent designer (lotta evidence for that) he surely doesn't appear benevolent.

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    I've prayed for many parlays to hit

    None worked

    I'm giving god 1 last chance for this week only

    CAPICHE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roscoe_Word View Post

    They would dismiss prayer by saying "praying to whom?"

    A God who popped into existence out of nothing.

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    i pray that you will buy me a 54 million dollar yet because that's what good christians do get rich off the poor




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shute View Post


    Shute is currently praying for all


    Sammy needs it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    Sammy needs it
    Sammy

    We all need it
    It’s like water
    Can’t live without it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    A God who popped into existence out of nothing.
    The universe, Sam; not God.

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    Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
    Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shute View Post
    Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
    Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence
    Yes indeed. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roscoe_Word View Post

    The universe, Sam; not God.
    Yeah... read that

    but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shute View Post
    Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
    Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence
    The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.

    And the militant moooooslims? Yeah, they pray a lot too-- and they sure as hell are not better for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.

    And the militant moooooslims? Yeah, they pray a lot too-- and they sure as hell are not better for it.
    There’s no right or wrong answer Quant.
    Just reflect on how you want to improve yourself. That’s all. Whether it be raining in your gambling, using more patience in everyday life, tithing, whatever it maybe.

    Praying to a good and forgiving God while self reflection can only be a positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    Yeah... read that

    but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude
    "just popped into being" is not exactly true---

    Hawking's "No Boundary Hypothesis" explains it------ but if you need to believe there is a man or woman up in the clouds watching over you, so that it makes your life have meaning-- then have at it.

    Knock yourself out.

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    Atheists disbelieve in a creator.

    Believers believe in an intelligent designer. (or God) They (IMHO) have some very good arguments.

    Agnostics simply don't know. Possibly the safest bet. Like passing on a game you don't have a feel for.

    Pascal made some sense: If you believe, and it turns out to be true, your all set for eternity.

    If you disbelieve, and it turns out your wrong, your screwed.

    According to him, if you believe, you can only win or push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shute View Post
    There’s no right or wrong answer Quant.
    Just reflect on how you want to improve yourself. That’s all. Whether it be raining in your gambling, using more patience in everyday life, tithing, whatever it maybe.

    Praying to a good and forgiving God while self reflection can only be a positive
    But here's what you are missing.

    You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

    Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

    If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    But here's what you are missing.

    You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

    Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

    If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.
    Great work here Quant.
    Peace to you and your family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    But here's what you are missing.

    You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

    Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

    If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.
    Also well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shute View Post
    Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
    Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence
    well if god and heaven/hell exists then why is it wrong to murder ppl? you are just sending them to heaven or hell faster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post

    Yeah... read that

    but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude




    the problem believers have that agnostics dont is that agnostics have evidence that the universe exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post


    "just popped into being" is not exactly true---
    Tracking backwards it has to be true... there was an absolute vacuum , better said as Nothingness , or there was something like a wave or wrinkle

    If "something" then it begs the question: 'Where did it come from?'




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Odom View Post
    Tracking backwards it has to be true... there was an absolute vacuum , better said as Nothingness , or there was something like a wave or wrinkle

    If "something" the it begs the question: 'Where did it come from?'
    You are trying to find a beginning-- and it is hard to understand, so you simply say, "There HAS to be a God who started it all, because I can't comprehend how it started unless the man in the clouds made it so".

    Not being a dick here-- but I'm curious, have you read Hawking's "Brief History of Time"? Just to get another view-- you should try it-- Hawking addresses "time" as we perceive it, and then explains the "No Boundary Proposal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quant View Post
    The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.
    They didn't kill in the name of Jesus. Just another entho discrimination rebellion type war.

    By your logic, Italians who fought against the allies in WW2 were fighting in the name of Jesus...and then when they switched sides in the conflict...also fought in the name of Jesus.

    With that being said. Prayer is just another spiritual flowchart of silliness.

    Pray for something.

    If you get it, it's God's will rewarding you
    If you don't, God works in mysterious ways and has other plans.

    A surgeon once told me (after having lost his wife and daughter both to cancer in the span of 2 years)

    "If someone has a 5% chance of surviving a year, they're going to pray. Even if they're an atheist, they'll probably pray. So if this person lives, there's a good chance they'll give credit to prayer. Even though the other 95% of people who died, also prayed. When someone gets a prayer answered, it's easier to thank God than it is to give thanks for happening to be in a small statistical probability group.."

    Billions of people every day pray for clean water or that their kids won't starve or get malaria (or that they can just stay safe against marauding savages like Boko Haram). They must just be saying the wrong prayer.
    Last edited by Nitrogen; 08-05-19 at 06:05 PM.

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    Yes... have read "Brief History of Time" - which is outdated

    Have read more updated theories and hypotheses

    AQ , your faith is in mortal men's ideas -- Believers have faith also which is an gift

    See... we both have faith

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