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as this board is severely lacking in controversy and vigorous debate, I figured I'd toss this somewhat oldy, but goody, into the fray for discussion.....

who's right?

who's wrong?

war?

murder?

one's got a rpg, one's got a camera.... shoot only the armed guy, or his camera man, too????

and most importantly, did the soldier really suffer from "sand in his vagina," as claimed by his superiors?

bottom like, it's sadly pathetic that any of this ever took place..... but it shows how difficult things can be in the "fog of war".......... May God (or whatever other little invisible man in the sky, or invisible force you worship) take care of the souls of the innocent who are taken in such conflict, and similarly help those who have to continue living after having been subjected to such........ It is sad that humans feel the need to do such things to one another.....





for those interested, here's the uncut (somewhat) version of the tapes of that "engagement":




I have my thoughts on all of this, but will save them at this time, so as not to "taint" (damn i love that word, as it applies to the female body, anyway) the discussion at this point........

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wow..... what a bunch of pussies this sbr conspiracy crew is..... none of you keyboard warriors wants to address what is seen in the videos above?

no ex-military to explain/justify why you cut loose on an entire group of dusty nuts hangin' out in the streets of a war zone despite only a few of them being armed?

no anti-war people climbing on the "murderer!" band wagon?

too soon? bullshit, it's a 2007 vid released in 2010-11 by that child molesting prick julian assange....... Jeff Ross says "fuk you!"

at the risk of "tainting" the discussion (still loving that word as it applies to the female body), here are a few key thoughts:

1. no problem with the Apaches cuttin loose on ALL of the dusty nuts..... if you are a mere "civilian photographer," DO NOT hang out with two guys packing weapons such as an ak-47 and a rocket propelled grenade, particularly in a goddam active war zone........ if you do, you stand a high likelihood of getting your ass shot off.........

2. if your dusty nuts friend hotline blings your cell phone to say "Achmed, bring the minivan and come get me, I just got hit by one of the great satan's gunships!", and you decide that now would be a good time to go play "red cross", but you don't have a big white flag with a big red cross on it to drape across your Bongo wagon, LEAVE THE FUKKIN' KIDS AT HOME before starting your heroic venture..... DO NOT MAKE YOUR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN RIDE SHOTGUN WITH YOU INTO A F'N WAR ZONE, ACHMED!!!!!!!!!

3. As a US soldier who comes onto the scene of such carnage, keep in mind points one and two above before condemning others in your fighting force for doing what they did under the circumstances......

4. Yes, gut shot camel jockies stink.... there is no f'n way around it..... and dead bodies release urine and shit as they lay in the street.... Having killed 99 white-tail bucks (yes, I keep count and a photographic log of all of them), I can attest that everyone of them released shit upon dying.... And, having been fortunate enough to have only "gutshot" two of the 99 bucks I dropped since 1978 (one when I was a young dumbass, the other at a buck on the run), but having had to trail numerous such "gutshot" animals wounded by others, whether because of their inexperience, buck fever, or just plain stupidity, they stink, and are a mess -- you can trail them by the green goo and often by the odor alone.... I'm quite certain that the "smells" of war, including 11 iraqi men blown to bits, would give a very pungent, disgusting, "make you wanna puke" appalling odor that we all best be damn glad Oliver Stone and Tom Hanks can't bring to our "big screen" viewing pleasure of realistic combat scenes such as those seen in "Saving Ryan's Privates".....

oh, wait, that porno movie, "Saving Ryan's Privates," had disgusting anal smells that I was glad couldn't permeate my computer screen; it was "Saving Private Ryan" that I appreciated not being able to smell hundreds of gutshot soldiers laying on a beach in France on D-Day..... but nevertheless, it is a traumatic scene, complete with odors of DEATH............ Imagine the day when your local Imax theater pumps in such odors in some sort of Hi-tech "scratch n sniff" special effects feature..... damn I hope they hand out big ass barf bags when that technology visits a theater near you!

5. I don't think the young soldiers viewing gutshot kids in a war zone and then needing counselling means they have "sand in their vaginas" as some red-ass psycho c.o. who loves killing middle easterners claimed, but obviously a line has to be drawn between what requires counselling and what doesn't.... Always a tough call, dating back to General Patton slappin' a guy who'd seen too much, and appeared to have sour kraut in his vagina in WWII.......

6. Nothing in these vids amounts to "murder" -- not even close.........