[brainfreeze]

kind of weird you're so adamant

i have my beliefs, but im not 100000000% sure my beliefs are right.

◄ 1 Peter 4:12 ►

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Might want to read over my testimony again, especially the part with a " star actor ", I didn't mention in the testimony that a few days after the ordeal I was picking up some cigarettes from a corner gas station I frequent ... One of the producer set mangers was there, as I was leaving out of the store, he got out of his car and walked right past me, I called him by name, because he talked to me on set about getting a job, he turned around when I called him, I said that was some wild stuff on the set eh? He shook his head yes rapidly but told him to give me a card anyway, he did so... I lost my wallet last year but in it was the evidence ..that I speak of.

So yes, I could have a nice career turning the world into fantasy land " with the actors " or selling kilo's " with the big dogs ", I REFUSE ...because of this, my life is not easy... but as I said, I've made my choice because I know what's real, I've wanted truth all my life... I found it, and I'm trying to show you guys the way to it.. It's in Christ Jesus

[StackinGreen]

The small g is in reference to " a judge " not god, he said this when applying to the law, yes, as with the Pharisees .. Try reading it in it's context, brother

I am. It says "theos". It's just saying humans are special, doesn't contradict anything or say we don't need the one true God to truly live, we of course do, that's what ICXC's life was all about.

[StackinGreen]

By the way, Brain, why do you post christian stuff and or god questions on a gambling/sports website?

[brainfreeze]

By the way, Brain, why do you post christian stuff and or god questions on a gambling/sports website?

The same reason some preachers go to prisons ...

to be a vessel for The Holy Ghost, no matter where I am..

[brooks85]

Watch the movie I Origins

[scumbag]

By the way, Brain, why do you post christian stuff and or god questions on a gambling/sports website?

usually forums have various sub forums where a wide range of topics are discussed.

thats what makes 2p2 the best forum on the internet.

[brainfreeze]

Watch the movie I Origins

not really in to the new age stuff " reincarnation " and so fourth.. Plus a women having sex in a washroom at a Halloween party, doesn't give real christian characteristics any justice. I'd rather read a book, and even for me to do that, it has to be some what authentic and witty...hard to come by these days

[brooks85]

not really in to the new age stuff " reincarnation " and so fourth.. Plus a women having sex in a washroom at a Halloween party, doesn't give real christian characteristics any justice. I'd rather read a book, and even for me to do that, it has to be some what authentic and witty...hard to come by these days

The ones in the bible or the ones left out?

lol

[raydog]

kind of weird you're so adamant

i have my beliefs, but im not 100000000% sure my beliefs are right.

how could you be, when all you have to go by is a book that has been revised by a panel of people... adding and taking away information... and science debunking basically everything in the bible that it tackles...

if there was a god, why does he allow the innocent, hard working contributors who do great deeds and whose families depend on them, to be killed off... while some killers and most morally corrupt people continue to get away without being punished... "they will get theirs in the end" sure they will ... why do you trust the words of your god when all he does is continue to fukk people over and cause turmoil in the world?

[brainfreeze]

how could you be, when all you have to go by is a book that has been revised by a panel of people...
I don't just have " a book " it's Gods Word your speaking of... and it applies to everyday life, that which I would recommend you apply His word " in your life ", get offline and go live..

adding and taking away information... and science debunking basically everything in the bible that it tackles...
Some men have their own religion and philosophy, up to you on what you want to believe, truth or men...

if there was a god, why does he allow the innocent, hard working contributors who do great deeds and whose families depend on them, to be killed off... while some killers and most morally corrupt people continue to get away without being punished... "they will get theirs in the end" sure they will ... why do you trust the words of your god when all he does is continue to fukk people over and cause turmoil in the world?
No one is innocent, all have sinned... and though you don't believe in eternity, there is a timeless state of being, and at the second coming of Christ, Gods children will get a new body, the ones waiting in paradise now... Then heaven, if you cared to study His word you would know what I speak of, instead of being allied with ignorance.

Answers in bold...

[The Kraken]

I've said a few times now, Kraken... I've made my choice, there's nothing to bet about..

I just find it overly narcissistic that you would expect me to consider my accomplishments and what I've overcome are not of my own doing, but your gods.

However, you're unwilling to take a dose of your own medicine and give consideration that your god is a sham.

Regardless of what choice you've made, you should learn to basic decency.

[brainfreeze]

I just find it overly narcissistic that you would expect me to consider my accomplishments and what I've overcome are not of my own doing, but your gods.

However, you're unwilling to take a dose of your own medicine and give consideration that your god is a sham.

Regardless of what choice you've made, you should learn to basic decency.

Ok, let's look at it this way... Your a good guy right ? You try to live righteously ? Are you sorry for when you do wrong ? ... If you are, then just accept Christ and have eternal life, it's easy... Why do the things I've listed and cast yourself away from God because you " think " he doesn't exist ? It's a free gift into eternity with Him, why not accept ?

[raydog]

lolz... bf, you believe and fear the most unproven, scientifically debunk theory since man.... and you are calling me ignorant for paying no attention to the word of your favorite fairy tale ... oh dear

[The Kraken]

Ok, let's look at it this way... Your a good guy right ? You try to live righteously ? Are you sorry for when you do wrong ? ... If you are, then just accept Christ and have eternal life, it's easy... Why do the things I've listed and cast yourself away from God because you " think " he doesn't exist ? It's a free gift into eternity with Him, why not accept ?

Because I don't think I want to spend eternity with anyone, more less a spirit cloud that won't let me drink, pop lortab, fukk out of wed lock and fap to porn.

Those are probably the main reasons

[scumbag]

how could you be, when all you have to go by is a book that has been revised by a panel of people... adding and taking away information... and science debunking basically everything in the bible that it tackles...

if there was a god, why does he allow the innocent, hard working contributors who do great deeds and whose families depend on them, to be killed off... while some killers and most morally corrupt people continue to get away without being punished... "they will get theirs in the end" sure they will ... why do you trust the words of your god when all he does is continue to fukk people over and cause turmoil in the world?

for sure.

i remember one day, im maybe 16, reading the paper and read how some child molester binked the lotto for like 8mill.

they always taught that if youre good, good will happen. if bad then bad.

when i was 13 one of my friends mom died, he was the nicest kid ever, i was the bad kid, it seemed unjust that he should lose his mother. my mother succumb to drug addiction shortly after, but still... nicest kid ever shouldn't have to suffer through that. i was 'bad' so i thought i deserved the pain.

after the child molester thing i went to my grandmother and ripped her for polluting my mind with this nonsense, while citing the child molester story and my friends dead mom as evidence that this was 99.9% bullshit.

she responds. "well john, god has a plan."

i fcking exploded. jumped up in the air. "how can you be such a sucker? never mention god to me again, im fcking done with this fairytale."

bible thumping moron never even took me to a shrink to deal with my shit. just told me to thump a bible and stfu and i'd never be happy unless i took to bible thumping.

i have a lot of hostility toward bible thumpers. i see them as intellectual midgets who turn to bible thumping because they cant cope with the brutality of life.

and that's ok, whatever you need to get through this motherfcker. just dont shove this shit down your kid's throat's.

if i have kids, i won't be teaching them religion. hell, i wont even teach them santa. seems stupid to start off your kids life by lying to them.

that'd be hilarious though. maybe in a bad way. your kid shows up the the 1st grade. all the kids are santa this and santa that. your kid is like ''wtf is a santa?''. next day, ''oh guys, i asked my dad bout this santa, he says its complete bullshit, c'mon, one dude, whole earth?? really??"


brainfreeze,

what do you think of these parents that forced their kid into suicide by denying his sexual identity. even to the point of referring of her as 'him' in the cnn interview?

[The Kraken]

It's all in Gods will that kids are raped, because thy will be done

or in this instance, would it be more convenient to blame it on satan?

And then the child rapist wins the lottery, again, gods will prevails.

But money is evil and the child rapist will be held accountable for his sins when he dies.

By the same God who granted him the evil money, allowing him to live an easier and more luxurious life.

All while retraumatiZing the child

Everyone clear?

[scumbag]

krack on fire

[raydog]

sorry, bf.. i know your faith is strong and it drives you just as nutso to discuss this with us as it does us with you and we get heated while trying to get points across...no offense at all brother... we are all ignorant to a point when things get heated ...

i really wish i could grasp something, its just so invisible to me... you say to just accept him, but its just one of those things i see too many proven and unproven (but extremely rational) facts/theories siding against the existence of a God... how can you be so sure that the bible isnt just a huge troll book created in an attempt to bring people together to all believe one thing and act the same way? i understand that throughout time, people, as a whole, gradually get smarter and more educated... i can only imagine how easy it was to convince people of something thousands of years ago and have it passed on from uneducated generation to generation

[The Kraken]

Thx Ray! A much needed voice of reason

[bigtymer56]

It's all in Gods will that kids are raped, because thy will be done

or in this instance, would it be more convenient to blame it on satan?

And then the child rapist wins the lottery, again, gods will prevails.

But money is evil and the child rapist will be held accountable for his sins when he dies.

By the same God who granted him the evil money, allowing him to live an easier and more luxurious life.

All while retraumatiZing the child

Everyone clear?

Dont forget about the part where the rapist gives himself to jesus/god and is forgiven.

[recon1]

I just find it overly narcissistic that you would expect me to consider my accomplishments and what I've overcome are not of my own doing, but your gods.

However, you're unwilling to take a dose of your own medicine and give consideration that your god is a sham.

Regardless of what choice you've made, you should learn to basic decency.

C'mon man, don't talk about "basic decency" when you start threads showing pictures of yourself in you're panties wearing yoga socks. Effeminate metro sexual wannabe men are the root of all things indecent.

Would have not even mentioned this except for the fact you HAVE NO RIGHT questioning decency.

carry on…….

[raydog]

haha.. yeah krack... its right there in the fine print somewhere... "posting pics in underwear is strictly forbidden, indecent and immoral .. kind of like fukking sheep and have gay orgies, but that didnt stop them back in the day...just say you are sorry.. all is forgiven pal

[brainfreeze]

i wont even teach them santa. seems stupid to start off your kids life by lying to them.



brainfreeze,

what do you think of these parents that forced their kid into suicide by denying his sexual identity. even to the point of referring of her as 'him' in the cnn interview?

Good choice not to lie to children...

The parents did nothing wrong, they tolerated their son, but they weren't going to become culprits to sin by condoning to the sons sin, by calling him a her...

[brainfreeze]

It's all in Gods will that kids are raped, because thy will be done

or in this instance, would it be more convenient to blame it on satan?

And then the child rapist wins the lottery, again, gods will prevails.

But money is evil and the child rapist will be held accountable for his sins when he dies.

By the same God who granted him the evil money, allowing him to live an easier and more luxurious life.

All while retraumatiZing the child

Everyone clear?

You know Kraken, some children get bad parents, some children get left in bad predicaments " like the wrong baby sitters " and so fourth, I don't know how this happens with each individual case, but I can say this as fact, as time has gone on, MORE OF IT HAPPENS, because of sin and more sin, parents also are not watching their children, and attending to them as they used to, their time is being sucked away at a job some where for the new house and beemer...

I've never been raped or anything of the kind, but I have been hurt, betrayed, and lied to, just as I'm sure all of you have when you were younger, have you guys ever heard of cutters ? This is what a lot of teen girls do, do you know why they do it ? A lot of them have been touched or raped and they feel worthless and numb, so they cut themselves TO FEEL ... Sad, smh... I pray for them so deeply, that they forgive their perpetrators, that they can let go, and give it to God, because keeping the pain only hurts the individual that it happened to... We must forgive, and endure our trials whatever they are... but every individual has them,

[raydog]

not that im going to the studio to watch some bbc gay gang bangs anytime soon, but ive never really understood why it matters where a dude sticks his cokk... .. seems like there are a lot more vulgar and unholy things a guy could do...you know, that actually effects other people ... seems like someones feelings got hurt back then and they all of a sudden made it a huge sin... dunno... and whats with all the catholic guys fukking young boys? jaysus

[brainfreeze]

sorry, bf.. i know your faith is strong and it drives you just as nutso to discuss this with us as it does us with you and we get heated while trying to get points across...no offense at all brother... we are all ignorant to a point when things get heated ...

i can only imagine how easy it was to convince people of something thousands of years ago and have it passed on from uneducated generation to generation

I'm not calling you ignorant raydog, I said your allied with it, I will pray one day you will realize this.. As for how people believe, some seen Jesus do miracles with their very own eyes.. I've seen some as well, knowing who is doing it, why the gospel is still here after 2015 years, is because it's the LIVING WORD OF GOD... A lot of folks just don't know how blessed they are to even be graced with reading it or what it took to get here... Do you know for hundreds of years if you weren't trained in Latin, then you didn't have access ? Do you know how many lives have died for that book to stretch across the world as it is and the mission is still the same... Just a few months ago a man was jailed in North Korea for leaving a bible in some club there... They caught him, and jailed him... This is serious, the real deal...

[scumbag]

krack is dead fcking right with that statement.

my mother was a former druggie who reformed through bible thumping from the time i was 4/5 till 12/13.

the thing that tilted my the most was how she gave the credit for her recovery to god. i would tell her that makes zero sense. you are the one who quit using drugs. you deserve the credit for changing your life. fck god. if god was worth a fck you'd never have been an addict to start.

she could never accept that. i think that was a catalyst in her relapse and death.

i think accepting that you are responsible would have spurred a renewed sense of self confidence. im stronger than i thought and i can get through anything. thats a powerful realization.


the god delusion is just another form of addiction.


although it is kind of the same argument rich people use when their heads explode when hillary says they didn't build their business alone.

you arent responsible for you success, god is.

you arent responsible for your success, gov, educated your employees, consumers purchased your product, gov provided a safe place to conduct business, roads to transport your good and in many cases made the funding available that led to these innovative breakthroughs, the marines protected our sovereignty, etc.

i guess there's just more evidence for the latter being true.

[scumbag]

Good choice not to lie to children...

The parents did nothing wrong, they tolerated their son, but they weren't going to become culprits to sin by condoning to the sons sin, by calling him a her...

now you're an asshole. ''they tolerated". no wonder this kid offed himself. kids want to be accepted/loved by their parents not "tolerated" and told, "its a phase, god doesn't make mistakes."

[brainfreeze]

not that im going to the studio to watch some bbc gay gang bangs anytime soon, but ive never really understood why it matters where a dude sticks his cokk... .. seems like there are a lot more vulgar and unholy things a guy could do...you know, that actually effects other people ... seems like someones feelings got hurt back then and they all of a sudden made it a huge sin... dunno... and whats with all the catholic guys fukking young boys? jaysus

Tell that to that swimmer Phelps... It's deception, it's living a lie, if your a man, God called you to be that way. If your a woman, the same... One can't play god and say they want to be something else... It's sin, as for women lying with other women... It's a vain act, only a man and a woman can bring forth child, that's what's sex is for.... A show of intimacy, relations, affection, love, and to do so with their other half often to not be tempted to sin and to bring forth children... So homosexuality and gay " marriage " is sin just as abortion is sin

[raydog]

never understood why christians never give themselves the credit either... its always god answering a prayer... not the 80hours a week you put in in order to get that promotion or failed idea after failed idea you dealt with before that one idea struck gold... what if that good thing never happens? is that god being a dick and telling you that the world needs ditch diggers too? god has a purpose, eh... he just wants certain people to be failures so he can watch and giggle at them? how many people die miserable because they never achieved anything they set out to do...they were never given a chance or always got knocked down.. why did god hold them back or why doesnt he at least give us all a little help... there is just too much negative for me to believe we are put here to serve something that seems to enjoy all the bad that happens to his

why does god disapprove of abortion when he kills so many innocent kids with diseases? pretty fukkin hypocritical , dont ya think?

[brainfreeze]

now you're an asshole. ''they tolerated". no wonder this kid offed himself. kids want to be accepted/loved by their parents not "tolerated" and told, "its a phase, god doesn't make mistakes."

He was loved and I'm sure he ate with his family as they raised him, so he was accepted but they didn't condone to what he was doing, sin, all these years I was dealing drugs and doing them, my peeps still loved me but they know I wasn't living right, as did I... This teen " tragic might I add " has now came up in a world where it's starting to be " ok " to sin... to call evil good, so he thought he was right what he was doing in his mind...

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

[brainfreeze]

never understood why christians never give themselves the credit either... its always god answering a prayer... not the 80hours a week you put in in order to get that promotion or failed idea after failed idea you dealt with before that one idea struck gold... what if that good thing never happens? is that god being a dick and telling you that the world needs ditch diggers too? god has a purpose, eh... he just wants certain people to be failures so he can watch and giggle at them? how many people die miserable because they never achieved anything they set out to do...they were never given a chance or always got knocked down.. why did god hold them back or why doesnt he at least give us all a little help... there is just too much negative for me to believe we are put here to serve something that seems to enjoy all the bad that happens to his

why does god disapprove of abortion when he kills so many innocent kids with diseases? pretty fukkin hypocritical , dont ya think?

Raydog, I remember riding to the parole office monthly " for years, I've been on parole and probation, at least 7 years of my life " saying to myself, this could be it right here, " I know I've been drinking codeine and smoking weed " ALL MONTH ... Every time, I went I thought it was it for me, most of the time they didn't even test, even the times they did they give you a few chances before they hook you up and cart you off... I NEVER could just stop...

The night I went to Him, I'm telling you Raydog a pure miracle happen that night ... I was on loratabs probably four a day and two to three zanx, smoking weed ALL DAY and a few ounces of codeine syrup every other day for years... Then NOTHING overnight... No pain, or withdrawals ...I did start back smoking weed because I figured " hey, it's natural and he made it " but He showed me otherwise that it wasn't right.. Again, stopped overnight... I can not explain it and I don't know why this happened to me that way other then my actions the night before " the choice I made " that I wasn't going to stand with evil for nothing... No one can buy me or offer me anything to go against God... Period

[raydog]

i have my own views on kids and suicide...its not a popular one, but kids are as weak as they have ever been...

a kid , using his parents lack of love and dislike for his homosexuality , is kind of a lame ass reason to kill himself... people are so weak these days... suck it up, tell your folks to fukk off and go about your business... sure, it sucks if your parents are disappointed and disapprove... but is that really enough to off yourself? there is something very unstable about people who kill themselves, imo... a lot more underlying mental issues than just being gay and not getting enough love from their parents... people, in this situation , that end it, needed medication to treat any number of things...its sad when it happens, but could definitely have been prevented

[scumbag]

raydog,

tough spot for this kid.

isolated from friends by shit bag parents for months on end. told all sorts of outrageous shit by them. abandoned by her friends after coming out, as you can imagine most boys of that age would tease someone like this. she was taken to some gay therapy person who told him even crazier shit.

kids can't see 10 years down the road and realize that this is a big world and plenty of people would accept her.

people need to feel loved and accepted, when they dont get that, their mental state can deteriorate rapidly.

if there is a hell, these bigoted, disgraceful morons have a spot reserved. maybe if she had some accepting friends to help her though it, it would have been different. obviously if her parents accepted and loved this would not have taken place.

she came out to the parents first. even if the school yard chums teased, parents could get her through.

just sad. religion kills. its not all love and roses as brainfreeze would have you believe.

[raydog]

not trying to talk you away from your god... you are a much better person with the idea in your head... i hope you never stray ...

there are plenty of people who are mentally able to quit things cold turkey without physically being compromised...and its no secret that addictions are replaced with many different things (food/activities.. you get the idea)... i played competitive golf for quite a long time...towards the end, i was a 5-8 tab/vic a day abuser when i practiced or played all day ... some for shoulder pain, some for the mental effect.. for a while, i couldnt stand going out in public and dealing with people without being zoned out..you know what i mean... when i stopped playing so much and pain went away, i stopped taking the pills... it didnt happen overnight, but it just became something i could give or take... maybe i had some attitude effects when i stopped, but never had any of the illness/rehab effects...its easy for some (us) and hard for others...they can get violently ill ... i wouldnt have read much into your situation.. addiction is strange in that when your mind focuses elsewhere, the thing you are addicted to can disappear...perhaps it was just your mind and body telling you that its no longer fun and you have had enough