[InTheDrink]

Here is the answer to op

Yeah evolution probably isn't real

[MendozaLine]

[CarpeDime]

evolution isnt real its been proven a million fukkin times

although I can understand why looking at hippy looser unemployed socialist lazy college kid protestors taking dumps in public parks protesting there bank accounts won might be led to think that

[convick]

No takers on why we die? Not just humans, but any living. What purpose does death serve in relation to evolution?

Another interesting point I heard came from Francis Crick. And while it is in no way evolution based, I thought it worth mentioning. He basically said it was a damn near impossible result of randomness that the DNA of every living creature spins in the same direction.

The way I see it, Earth is simply a "lab" millions of years old. The creator/creators "planted" life on this planet and life has evolved with/without any intervention. That is something else you must consider, did "god" create this universe and move on to other projects, letting things unfold on their own? Or is he/she/it a god that meddles in earthly affairs.. The latter is highly unlikely, in my opinion. I'm sure the creator/creators have other things to do and they wouldn't intervene recklessly in their "lab" and experiments.

[forloveofthegame]

if evolution is real then where are all the transitional fossils at??? would give us proof yet there is none to be found! The proof is in the pudding..

"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record." Charles Darwin (1859), The Origin of Species

[MendozaLine]

have you ever heard of Lucy?

if evolution is real then where are all the transitional fossils at??? would give us proof yet there is none to be found! The proof is in the pudding..

"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record." Charles Darwin (1859), The Origin of Species

[nyed1010]

No takers on why we die? Not just humans, but any living. What purpose does death serve in relation to evolution? Another interesting point I heard came from Francis Crick. And while it is in no way evolution based, I thought it worth mentioning. He basically said it was a damn near impossible result of randomness that the DNA of every living creature spins in the same direction.

Read Malthus's Essay on the Principle of Population. That should answer why it's "efficient"(best word I could think of to avoid crassness) for mortality to exist.

As for the Crick comment, it doesn't make much sense since that would not be the result of randomness at all, since every species on Earth is either directly or indirectly related. With the exception of some microorganisms such as viruses that have RNA, every organism's genetic material is DNA, which has been passed on to each species through millions of years evolution. Pretty much all DNA follows the same basic double helix structure, so why would it be a shock that it spins in the same direction if just about every organisms is based on the same basic mechanism and structure of DNA.

[nyed1010]

if evolution is real then where are all the transitional fossils at??? would give us proof yet there is none to be found! The proof is in the pudding..

"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record." Charles Darwin (1859), The Origin of Species

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_fossils

Geology has progressed substantially since Darwin's time. That's what makes the Origin of Species such a groundbreaking and amazing piece of work. Darwin had figured this all out during a time when other sciences like geology and paleontology were not as big as they are now. It just amazes me with all the mounting evidence, people still want to discredit evolution.

[statnerds]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_fossils

It just amazes me with all the mounting evidence, people still want to discredit evolution.

...says the guy using wikipedia as a source.

Are you attempting to discredit Crick all together, or just on the DNA thing?

Not really trying to discredit anything, just asking questions is all.

Kind of like only 5% of human DNA being decoded and the other 95% being labeled 'junk'. What the H is up with that? again, just a question is all.

we can even get kind of silly, dumb and basic and say if evolution is real, why are there still apes and why did they stop evolving? it's been how many millions of years since apes gave rise to hominoids? it only happened once in 6 million years? again, just a question cause my uneducated mind tells me, most incorrectly I am sure, that it seems highly unlikely that a product of mutation or natural selection would only happen once every 6 million years.

[TheCentaur]

we can even get kind of silly, dumb and basic and say if evolution is real, why are there still apes and why did they stop evolving? it's been how many millions of years since apes gave rise to hominoids? it only happened once in 6 million years? again, just a question cause my uneducated mind tells me, most incorrectly I am sure, that it seems highly unlikely that a product of mutation or natural selection would only happen once every 6 million years.

I'm pretty sure apes did not give rise to hominids, instead they share a common ancestor.

I think it is the supreme practical joke of our world, that humans have a brain with such intricacies and intelligence that allows us to subdue our environment, but those same qualities force us to try to find meaning and significance in ourselves and our situation. We then go crazy and need pills to sleep.

[nyed1010]

...says the guy using wikipedia as a source.

Are you attempting to discredit Crick all together, or just on the DNA thing?

Not really trying to discredit anything, just asking questions is all.

Kind of like only 5% of human DNA being decoded and the other 95% being labeled 'junk'. What the H is up with that? again, just a question is all.

we can even get kind of silly, dumb and basic and say if evolution is real, why are there still apes and why did they stop evolving? it's been how many millions of years since apes gave rise to hominoids? it only happened once in 6 million years? again, just a question cause my uneducated mind tells me, most incorrectly I am sure, that it seems highly unlikely that a product of mutation or natural selection would only happen once every 6 million years.

Centaur, you are correct. We are NOT directly descended from Bobo the gorilla from your local zoo. We are very closely related cousins. Our closest living cousin is the chimpanzee, but again, we are not descended directly from chimpanzees or any other living primate. Here is a great video to explain this.
statnerds = Stephen Baldwin

[v1y]

the OP erroneously presumes humans are more evolved than the sea creatures (or any other creature). The most evolved creature is not the creature with the biggest brain. The most evolved creature is the creature with the best chance of reproductive success. (And in some cases, this might involve actually going backwards on the evolutionary tree!)

odds are, 1,000,000 years from now, we'll be extinct (with no direct descendant species), and they'll still be swimming in the sea. looks like they'll have won the evolutionary war.

[TodayIsForgotten]

If God is real and is the creator of everything...then who or what created God in the first place ?

This.

[marcoloco]

why do people care to argue so much about where we came from?? world is going to sh*t fast!! should be more interested in where we are going. Because it is not looking good....

[marcoloco]

more "modifications" behind evolution theory?

http://news.yahoo.com/arabian-artifa...225406521.html

[v1y]

more "modifications" behind evolution theory? http://news.yahoo.com/arabian-artifa...225406521.html

You do understand that changing your stance when presented with new evidence is the ultimate hallmark of science, right?

Also, that link has absolutely nothing to do with evolution lmfao.

[marcoloco]

You do understand that changing your stance when presented with new evidence is the ultimate hallmark of science, right?

Also, that link has absolutely nothing to do with evolution lmfao.

LOL
glad somebody read it

but if our 'facts' on the origin of humans is wrong...?

you are right about science changing its stance constantly. and that was the point. the 'theory' has changed over time constantly. it will change a few more times in our lifetime

[face]

why are you mentally immature when you're the most healthy and fit? that's all wrong. you should be mature when your body is in high gear so you don't waste it.
also poop should come out of a pointed part of your body like an elbow, instead of a messy crevice. just my opinion.

[HellSpawn]

we are a product of aliens doing genetical engeneering on apes to make a suitable species for them to extract minerals out of the world...... in 2012 they will come again, you'll see...

^that is a quick summary based on History's Ancient Aliens, the mayan prediction... lol, sounds crazy but what are you thoughts? maybe we were in fact visited by alien species on the past and we don't know if they performed experiments on us, or if they altered our DNA in some way... it's not science fiction, how can you explain the people with animal heads back in Egyptian hieroglyphics? the Sumarian people have in their writings, where people decend from the sky, if you think about it ALL religions talk about someone decending from the sky, a deity... how can you explain people in ancient times carving stone so perfectly? carrying those mega blocks the pyramids where built with?(some of those stones are proven to take up to 10 industrial to be able to lift them) explain it to me...

just bringing another theory on the table, if we gonna try to decipher the begginning of mankind might as well review all theories... and actually the aliens theory is becoming more and more stronger everyday

[v1y]

LOL glad somebody read it but if our 'facts' on the origin of humans is wrong...? you are right about science changing its stance constantly. and that was the point. the 'theory' has changed over time constantly. it will change a few more times in our lifetime

Evolution is the foundation of all of biology. The main premise isn't going anywhere.

The exact process by which a given species evolved and migrated may never be fully understood, and the given explanation will have to be refined over time. These refinements are perfectly consistent with evolution.

As for HellSpawn, most of that stuff is nonsense, but the engineering mystery of the Pyramids is something to think about for sure. However, "Aliens did it" shouldn't be your first guess for something that seems improbable.

[HellSpawn]

As for HellSpawn, most of that stuff is nonsense, but the engineering mystery of the Pyramids is something to think about for sure. However, "Aliens did it" shouldn't be your first guess for something that seems improbable.

Oh no, that is not my first guess, but until what I have read and seen from documentaries, that is the most convincing thought for me... I know it seems crazy to believe in aliens and such, but also think about it... the universe is almost (if not, definite) infinite, it's nearly imposible no where out there is another inteligent form of life, and I'm sure they have the same needs and aspirations as humans, as to: 1) finding other planets that sustain life, 2)finding minerals needed, maybe depleted on their home planet, 3 and most important) find if there is another life form on the universe.

then there are these mysteries:
-Moai Statues
How can people between 1250 and 1500AC carry stones that weight around 80 tons and place them so precise?
-The Pyramids
Ok we covered this one above, but I also read that one of those pyramids (forgot it's name right now) is way way older than the other 2 pyramids.
-Nazca lines
This one speaks for itself... a very interesting fact here is that there is a mountain that has this lines but the mountain seems as if it was cut in half... the mountain is perfectly flat, and there are no signs of rocks or anything that appeared that it belonged to the top of that mountain... also the diverse animal-like drawings that can only be seen from the sky, when in that time flying was considered impossible...
-Common ideas between all the "holy" writing in the world
as I said before all "holy" books include some guy that came from the heavens to teach them and help them. (may be aliens coming to earth, teaching natives about advanced math and engeenering to be able to construct amazing world wonders... also... another point to highlight here is that all "holy" books where written by civilizacions that where not in any way communicated with each other...

Just throwing some ideas, because I highly believe that aliens in some way or another had interaction with us and teached us things that made us what we are today....

[marcoloco]

Oh no, that is not my first guess, but until what I have read and seen from documentaries, that is the most convincing thought for me... I know it seems crazy to believe in aliens and such, but also think about it... the universe is almost (if not, definite) infinite, it's nearly imposible no where out there is another inteligent form of life, and I'm sure they have the same needs and aspirations as humans, as to: 1) finding other planets that sustain life, 2)finding minerals needed, maybe depleted on their home planet, 3 and most important) find if there is another life form on the universe.

then there are these mysteries:
-Moai Statues
How can people between 1250 and 1500AC carry stones that weight around 80 tons and place them so precise?
-The Pyramids
Ok we covered this one above, but I also read that one of those pyramids (forgot it's name right now) is way way older than the other 2 pyramids.
-Nazca lines
This one speaks for itself... a very interesting fact here is that there is a mountain that has this lines but the mountain seems as if it was cut in half... the mountain is perfectly flat, and there are no signs of rocks or anything that appeared that it belonged to the top of that mountain... also the diverse animal-like drawings that can only be seen from the sky, when in that time flying was considered impossible...
-Common ideas between all the "holy" writing in the world
as I said before all "holy" books include some guy that came from the heavens to teach them and help them. (may be aliens coming to earth, teaching natives about advanced math and engeenering to be able to construct amazing world wonders... also... another point to highlight here is that all "holy" books where written by civilizacions that where not in any way communicated with each other...

Just throwing some ideas, because I highly believe that aliens in some way or another had interaction with us and teached us things that made us what we are today....

I am always amazed at some of the other theories that are out there or come up. (which I love to hear because they are interesting) There is usually some proof that supports these theories and most of them make sense. Yet they always make you think. Any theory you believe requires the use of your imagination. People use to believe without a doubt the world was flat. As humans we are constantly wrong.
Its not even far fetched imo to consider the universe is limited. What if it loops around? lol as humans we base our "facts" on what so called experts say. Astronomers tell us what they see and we accept it. Doctors make errors,
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

every day we see pharmaceutical drugs being released to cure or treat us. 6months later we hear about the recall, deaths, and lawsuits now against that drug maker.

point being as humans we constantly make mistakes. Constantly changing our answer based on new evidence means our answer was probably wrong to begin with.
I have a feeling our origins as humans will always be a mystery, that there will never be a universal accepted answer. Even if God or aliens or unquestionable proof was discovered. There will always be nay sayers

[JohnGalt2341]

There are a couple of Holes in the Theory of Evolution. Here they are... #1 Just a few thousand years go there were Talking Snakes. I know this is true because it says so in the Bible. If there were Talking Snakes just a few thousand years ago... what happened to them? #2 Just 2000 years ago some women could have a baby while never having sex. This is also true because... well... it says so in the Bible. Do some women still have babies without having sex? Err wait... maybe they do... I think I saw a few cases on Maury Povich and everyone knows that women on Maury Povich are good Christians that would never tell a lie. In conclusion... snakes no longer talk but good Christian women can sometimes still have a baby without having sex. And there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that a good Christian would ever tell a lie. I just wish the Police would stop framing all of these good Christians for crimes they didn't commit. That's the only explanation as to why the Prisons are overflowing with Christians.

[Dutch]

Give me 20 years, 30,000 slaves and unlimited resources and I'll build you a pyramid.

[xxxvince]

if? u need to spend some time in college buddy

[nyed1010]

LOL
glad somebody read it

but if our 'facts' on the origin of humans is wrong...?

you are right about science changing its stance constantly. and that was the point. the 'theory' has changed over time constantly. it will change a few more times in our lifetime

Look up the difference between scientific theory and scientific hypotheses. One is essentially a FACT and the other is an educated guess. The link you provide pertains to the migration of humans out of Africa and the journey thereafter to the rest of the world. This would be a hypothesis because there isn't enough evidence to say conclusively humans took this particular route. The theory of evolution is a theory and is as much a fact as is various other scientific theories like the theory of plate tectonics or the cell theory. These theories were once hypotheses, but after extensive peer review and collection of mountains of data/evidence, it becomes a theory. As for things like the journey of homo sapiens out of Africa and their dispersion which is what your link entails, there is not enough evidence to conclusively say the direct path our ancestors took out of Africa and is therefore not a theory. It's a hypothesis in which the evidence is still being collected which is what that article provides. You don't seem to understand this difference and is criticizing science based on a wrong assumption.

[hornsrgrt]

There are a couple of Holes in the Theory of Evolution. Here they are... #1 Just a few thousand years go there were Talking Snakes. I know this is true because it says so in the Bible. If there were Talking Snakes just a few thousand years ago... what happened to them? #2 Just 2000 years ago some women could have a baby while never having sex. This is also true because... well... it says so in the Bible. Do some women still have babies without having sex? Err wait... maybe they do... I think I saw a few cases on Maury Povich and everyone knows that women on Maury Povich are good Christians that would never tell a lie. In conclusion... snakes no longer talk but good Christian women can sometimes still have a baby without having sex. And there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that a good Christian would ever tell a lie. I just wish the Police would stop framing all of these good Christians for crimes they didn't commit. That's the only explanation as to why the Prisons are overflowing with Christians.

the talking snakes got her pregnant and told...their punishment was that they lost their voices...my hypotheses !

[marcoloco]

Look up the difference between scientific theory and scientific hypotheses. One is essentially a FACT and the other is an educated guess. The link you provide pertains to the migration of humans out of Africa and the journey thereafter to the rest of the world. This would be a hypothesis because there isn't enough evidence to say conclusively humans took this particular route. The theory of evolution is a theory and is as much a fact as is various other scientific theories like the theory of plate tectonics or the cell theory. These theories were once hypotheses, but after extensive peer review and collection of mountains of data/evidence, it becomes a theory. As for things like the journey of homo sapiens out of Africa and their dispersion which is what your link entails, there is not enough evidence to conclusively say the direct path our ancestors took out of Africa and is therefore not a theory. It's a hypothesis in which the evidence is still being collected which is what that article provides. You don't seem to understand this difference and is criticizing science based on a wrong assumption.

Go take classes at a local JC. and see what they are teaching. I take at least 2 classes a semester. Simply just for my benefit. I have been doing this for 5 years now. I take classes on subjects that interest me. Regardless of my point of view. This is like a hobby for me. Anthropology has been my recent class, I was hoping it wouldnt be a repeat of what I took 10+ years ago and it wasnt. Much different, I was surprised at what changed just in these short 10 years ANd what is taught and written in books is considered fact, not theory/hypothesis. Just simply pointing that out.

[nyed1010]

Go take classes at a local JC. and see what they are teaching. I take at least 2 classes a semester. Simply just for my benefit. I have been doing this for 5 years now. I take classes on subjects that interest me. Regardless of my point of view. This is like a hobby for me. Anthropology has been my recent class, I was hoping it wouldnt be a repeat of what I took 10+ years ago and it wasnt. Much different, I was surprised at what changed just in these short 10 years ANd what is taught and written in books is considered fact, not theory/hypothesis. Just simply pointing that out.

I'm currently in my Junior year as a human biology(anthropology/biology) major. I don't know what textbooks you are using, but the textbooks I use clarify the difference between hypotheses and theories. They display the evidence for a particular hypotheses and lay out other possible hypotheses for that particular topic. Nothing is presented as FACT/Theory unless it is in fact an established fact/theory/principle. The reason things may be different is because science gains and advances in knowledge in 10 years. A lot of new evidence accumulates during that time and is added to the already known knowledge base and or replaces previous hypotheses.

[TodayIsForgotten]

Oh no, that is not my first guess, but until what I have read and seen from documentaries, that is the most convincing thought for me... I know it seems crazy to believe in aliens and such, but also think about it...

It's no more crazy to believe in that, which in my opinion seems more plausible than some God written in a book. A book which apparently has all the answers as to why God did this and that and since its a bible it must be true because it has historical values and artifacts that identify area's and possibly people mentioned in the bible...

[RonPaul2008]

Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution needs to have their head examined.

[RonPaul2008]

if evolution is real, would there have to be a human equivalent in the ocean?

if god is real, would you understand his thought processes?

I hope you realize that in evolutionary success there are animals in the ocean far more successful then humanity.

[HellSpawn]

It's no more crazy to believe in that, which in my opinion seems more plausible than some God written in a book. A book which apparently has all the answers as to why God did this and that and since its a bible it must be true because it has historical values and artifacts that identify area's and possibly people mentioned in the bible...

I agree... The bible can't possibly be a book of "truth"... The bible has been passed down from generation after generation, each generation changing a little bit of the bible to make it the "latest version" now think, and this really happened with the gospel of Judas and Mary Magdalene, at one point in the history of the bible people thought this gospels were non christian since it told a lot of truths about Jesus' personal life rather then the "spiritual" acts he did... Now those are only 2 books I known they have taken out... What about past generations? What about the Spanish Inquisition, they could also have changed the bible to "justify" their killings... The bible is definitely a book you should not trust... A book originally written by men following the guidance of "God", passed down through generations and it's then modified by men. Translated by men, interpreted by men.... This book may be the most incomplete, lack of sense, and modified in history... Something that has suffered this many changes is not true...

[GTS925]

Life started in the oceans yes, the reason that fish haven't evolved to a human equivalent is because it is not necessary for them to be more intelligent to survive, humans are more intelligent because we need to build tools e.g hunting equipment, weapons and shelter to survive so the more intelligent humans,the ones who could survive better, passed on their intelligence to their offspring. And mammals especially primates, humans, chips etc. are the most intelligent as a general rule.

The environment on land is so different to the environment in the ocean that it is unlikely that organisms would evolve in the same way.

[GTS925]

What do you mean there is stunted progress of lifeforms in the ocean? Are you not aware of the mental capabilities of marine mammals? Do you not understand that they have a very complex language and social structure comparable to that of the great apes including humans?

The key feature of humans, in relation to other animals, is our intelligence and our opposable thumbs which allow us to use that intelligence to make use of the resource in our environment.

The resources in the sea which could be manipulated by highly intelligent beings with opposable thumbs, or similar appendages, are limited. There are no trees to provide wood for construction, and building any sort of structure out of stones or coral would prove problematic due to the lack of adhesive materials that would even work under water. On land, simple mud can be used to stick bricks together. Underwater, mud won't work. Undersea currents increase the problem.

Projectile weapons would be difficult to develop under water due to the water resistance. Modern spear guns use compressed air. A bow and arrow or a sling simply would not work underwater, much less a thrown rock.

The closest thing we have underwater to humanity's intelligence and use of appendages to manipulate the environment is so different from us anatomically that we have only recognized it in this century. It looks nothing like a human, and isn't even a mammal. In fact, it isn't even a vertebrate!

It is actually the Octopus. Octopi have proven, in recent experiments, to be astoundingly intelligent especially given that they are invertebrates. They are at least as intelligent as most mammals, and have even better 3-D spacial reasoning than most mammals. Which makes sense, given that they live in a world where they have freedom of movement in three dimensions.

They use their arms and suckers to manipulate their environment, even going so far as to operate screw-on caps.

Unlike us, or their cousins the squids, they are not at all social creatures. Thus, communication really isn't necessary for them.

That belongs to the whales. Their ability to communicate via infrasonic sound over miles and miles of sea rivals our own telecommunication abilities. However, their limbs are designed for hydrodynamic maneuvers, not manipulating their environment. And despite what you may have read, while being highly intelligent, they are probably not as intelligent as, say, chimpanzees.

The simple fact of the matter is that, in the sea, human-level intelligence and the ability to manipulate one's environment, while certainly being a survival advantage, is not quite as much of an advantage as it is here.