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    lemart5
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    I would love to see the US default on its debt obligations.

    Can you imagine a collection agency from China calling the FEDThe United States will hit the legal limit on its ability to borrow no later than May 16, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Monday, ramping up pressure on Congress to act to avoid a debt default.


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    "The longer Congress fails to act, the more we risk that investors here and around the world will lose confidence in our ability to meet our commitments and our obligations," Geithner said in a letter to congressional leaders.

    "Default by the United States is unthinkable."

    Previously, the Treasury had forecast that the $14.3 trillion statutory debt limit would be reached between April 15 and May 31. As of Friday, Treasury borrowing stood just $95 billion from the ceiling.

    Some Republican lawmakers have sought to use the need to raise the debt limit as a lever to pressure the Obama administration into agreeing on large-scale budget cuts.

    The debt-limit showdown comes as Congress struggles to complete a spending package that would keep the government operating beyond Friday.

    Republicans are seeking to use that bill to enact deep spending cuts and lawmakers are focusing on a proposal to trim this year's budget by $33 billion, a relatively small amount compared with a projected $1.4 trillion deficit.

    Geithner said a failure to raise the debt ceiling in a timely way would push interest rates higher and spark "a financial crisis potentially more severe than the crisis from which we are only starting to recover."

    Both Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke have said a failure to raise the ceiling could have "catastrophic consequences."

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    As the government nears the debt ceiling, the Treasury has authority to take certain extraordinary measures to postpone the date the United States would default on its obligations.

    However, those actions would be exhausted after about eight weeks and there would be "no headroom" to borrow after July 8, Geithner said.

    Some lawmakers have called for legislation to force the Treasury to first pay interest on U.S. bonds before other obligations, such as unemployment benefits and Social Security and Medicare payments, as a way to stave off a debt default.

    They have also asked Treasury whether financial assets such as the country's gold reserves or the government's portfolio of student loans could be sold to avoid raising the debt ceiling.

    Treasury has rejected the proposals as unworkable.

    "To attempt a fire sale of financial assets in an effort to buy time for Congress to act would be damaging to financial markets and the economy and would undermine confidence in the United States," Geithner said.

    Based on estimates last year from the International Monetary Fund, U.S. debt as measured against the size of the economy is higher than in France, Canada and Germany, but less than in Italy and Japan.

    Geithner said that while the debt ceiling projections could change, the Obama administration does not believe they could change in a way that would give Congress more time to raise the debt ceiling. He said Treasury would provide updated projections in early May.

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    If the USA defaults, doesn't that mean going to war with China?

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    Fukk it let's go to war... Let's fight it over here, so all these pussies will stop acting tough and over confident....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyasu View Post
    If the USA defaults, doesn't that mean going to war with China?
    No it means alot of government programs will be cut off.

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    It means all those freeloading mexicans will get there foodstamps cut off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemart5 View Post
    It means all those freeloading mexicans will get there foodstamps cut off.
    says the bitch stiffing points....

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    We could just start WWIII and destroy all those other governments we owe money too. Once we win, we won't owe them $ nor will we rebuild their nation. Problem Solved!

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    US short term loans .

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    Bond rating on treasuries?

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    lemart...a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    think about that for a minute.

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    The U.S. is like Nicky Santoro in the movie "Casino". When Nicky won, he collected. When he owed, he told the collectors to go **** themselves. What were they going to do, muscle Nicky? Nicky was the muscle.

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    The current plan is to inflate it away.

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    we should just use an sbr point currency

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    Seek Amnesty and ask for the debt to be wiped clean, then watch America rack up another debt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeatingBaseball View Post
    The current plan is to inflate it away.

    Yep, the dollar's value is going right down the toilet.

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    Most people don't understand the luxury that Americans have because the dollar is the world's exchange currency. However America needs to stop printing money.

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    No chance of defaulting. This has played out in the past.

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    everyone needs to default and we start all over again. This time, politicians need to get real jobs instead of milking off the labor of the working man.

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    yeah it would be awesome when the dollar becomes worthless and oil shoots through the roof and bread costs $100 a loaf. I can't wait for all my assets to become worthless...

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    Kindred, we are so close to that becoming a reality. Most people have no clue how serious it is. People laugh when I tell the to start stocking up on non-perishables. Oh well, I've tried to explain but 90% of the population in major metro areas don't have education past high school and could really care less about what's going on in our country. They get their information from whatever the boob tube tell them.

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    Part of the problem is we have let everyone who has owed us money slide. We sorely need business people in government, as the fat cats have been bankrupting thr country for years. Does the non-voting member of congress from puerto Rico really need 1.5 million / year to run his "offices". To that matter, originally congress was meant to be a part time job. Now it's turned into a multi million dollar position. Then top on the complete waste of money in the IRS, sales tax should be used for all taxes. It's easier, and easier to catch people cheating. But that will never happen because the Tax attorneys would lose billions. But instead of real change, let's just keep pushing it back for the next generation to deal with. Problem is collection time is looming.

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    could we just hedge ourselves w/ other currencies that aren't pegged to the USD?

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    Trump 2012. "you're hired"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flocko76 View Post
    Trump 2012. "you're hired"
    Yeah like we really need him, he has went bankrupt three times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublej95 View Post
    Yeah like we really need him, he has went bankrupt three times.
    How many times would our government have gone bankrupt if they couldn't just raise taxes?

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    The US gets all sorts of advantages from default being unthinkable - if it ever happened, you'd find debt became infinitely more expensive in future. There'd be other consequences too, like losing the dollar as the world's currency.

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