[soni]

My final cards were 77 and the other guy had A,10 He got his 10 on the turn and he smoked me out. After that I joined the 3 remaining tables to spectate and what do I see, 2 guys left they got the same cards 77 and A,10 (didn't notice the signs though). What's the math. possibility of that? I've seen like for the 100th time, 2 guys have same cards on showdown ... what's the chance of that 1 in a million? let alone one table after another in such a short period of time. And and did anyone notice the short time slicing when the cards are dealt? It's almost if it wouldn't deal the random chosen card, but would deal another one instead. I think it is rigged, since these situations happen so often and one after the other. Was it random generated, that wouldn't be the case. Besides their software is closed, who knows what they have programmed inside? Any thoughts?

[tad0matic]

you must be in on the fix if you got to Saturday table then? idk

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My final cards were 77 and the other guy had A,10 He got his 10 on the turn and he smoked me out. After that I joined the 3 remaining tables to spectate and what do I see, 2 guys left they got the same cards 77 and A,10 (didn't notice the signs though). What's the math. possibility of that? I've seen like for the 100th time, 2 guys have same cards on showdown ... what's the chance of that 1 in a million? let alone one table after another in such a short period of time. And and did anyone notice the short time slicing when the cards are dealt? It's almost if it wouldn't deal the random chosen card, but would deal another one instead. I think it is rigged, since these situations happen so often and one after the other. Was it random generated, that wouldn't be the case. Besides their software is closed, who knows what they have programmed inside? Any thoughts?

well i think maybe but then again its poker so sht happens but i was at the same table as u and u played bad,u were calling all the big raises and all ins with sub par hands so i think its more your fault than sbr,,,,but its only my opinion

[soni]

im not talking about my ability to play, but of the possibility of the same cards dealt over and over again to 2 players

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im not talking about my ability to play, but of the possibility of the same cards dealt over and over again to 2 players

anything is possible and i have dealt with this the whole tourney but came to the conclusion is that it is basically a freeroll and didnt cost mo nothing so cant complain about how the cards are dealt but i do question alot of outcomes of handsbut guessthats why they call it gambling

[THEGREAT30]

Yes its rigged don't be stupid, they started giving away points and Royal Flushes once they lessoned the value of the points

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Yes its rigged don't be stupid, they started giving away points and Royal Flushes once they lessoned the value of the points

since your not a poker player it doesnt matter,he wants opinions from people who played the site

[lolguy999]

just very unfair. Tonight i got smoked with the absolute worst hands... knockout blow was delivered by KK vs AQ all in preflop, and can you guess the flop? A T 4. lmao. Tuesday and Thursday i got 2k chips smoked early on in the tourny causing a bust. One was headsup (bb vs sb) and another was a crazy mofo moving all in. I called with KQs with crazy guy, and headsup i had A7s. Odds are not correct. At another tourny table, me and Vindicate were spec my table where i was getting crap hands and folding. We concluded that at a particular time, 60% or higher favorites went 0-8 throughout our table. Another bust was wednesday. QQ vs 88 vs K3. Nut flush draw for me on the flop, and the 8 just had to hit on the river.With these beats, i have not been able to hit 8000chips at all this week. So AT vs 77 is nothing. Its a virtual flip. but when KQ loses to 32 or JJ loses to 84 hitting runner runner straight, it just aint right no more

[lolguy999]

Last hand of SBR poker today. K9 vs A9. a K is the first card on the flop.

[the_situation]

its not rigged....there are bad beats at any site you play on

[the_situation]

Last hand of SBR poker today. K9 vs A9. a K is the first card on the flop.

im not saying that isn't a bad beat...but stuff like that happens all the time...i've been 1 and 2 outered tons of times

[elgreco]

[muldoon]

Even on a free site people are claiming it's rigged.

I lost with quad 9's to quad jacks this week. AK lost to AJ all 3 times I went in with it.

It happens. Just like in sports, the bad beats linger - the fluke wins fade away in minutes.

[Jimmy Proffett]

muldoon hit right on the head, bad beats do linger. But I do remember flopping quads twice against full houses and winning in online cash games too. Anytime I take some weird beat I'm like, "It works both ways."

[mikejamm]

Bad beats all the fuk'in way around this week!

[Killer_Demo]

bad beats happen to everyone...its not rigged just wasn't your day

[Czu81]

keep crying guys.....helps a lot

[no1here]

Yes it is rigged being set up to favor the inexperience player. I also believe it is set up for more face cards to experience more royals. SBR has done this before in the casino rigging it to overpay, but put a stop to it suddenly when they were hit extremely hard as they have experience lately with their Royal promo, thus lowering it by more then half. In the first couple days pocket kings lost five times in a row. From my play experience here, SBR poker is Bad Beat City forcing me to alter my play greatly.

[daneblazer]

Yes it is rigged being set up to favor the inexperience player. I also believe it is set up for more face cards to experience more royals. SBR has done this before in the casino rigging it to overpay, but put a stop to it suddenly when they were hit extremely hard as they have experience lately with their Royal promo, thus lowering it by more then half. In the first couple days pocket kings lost five times in a row. From my play experience here, SBR poker is Bad Beat City forcing me to alter my play greatly.

Out of curiosity, how do you alter your play for cheating software ? Do you play worse hands? When you have a set and there is a flush draw on the board do you fold to their bet because the flush is going to hit? Do you shove with drawing hands so they can suck out on the better hands? Do you slow play your aces and kings preflop so that 5 other players can see the flop? I'm sure getting it in when you are the underdog will prove to be a winner in the long run.

[ThaddeusB]

It happens. Just like in sports, the bad beats linger - the fluke wins fade away in minutes.

Anyone who honestly thinks SBR rigged their software despite the huge difficulty of doing so and absolute no incentive to do so should just give up. There is no possible way you'll be profitable at any type of gambling if you buy into ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[pavyracer]

I don't think is rigged. But I have noticed some times I get the same cards on back to back deals. Not very frequently though.

[BigLouie66]

I think the program is set so that it creates more action then real poker, like giving somone KK and another guy gets AA and yet still another poor sap gets JJ, i've seen such examples all throughout these weekly tourneys....

[Richards]

Out of curiosity, how do you alter your play for cheating software ? Do you play worse hands? When you have a set and there is a flush draw on the board do you fold to their bet because the flush is going to hit? Do you shove with drawing hands so they can suck out on the better hands? Do you slow play your aces and kings preflop so that 5 other players can see the flop? I'm sure getting it in when you are the underdog will prove to be a winner in the long run.

Yes. A "rigged" site would be exploitable should someone figure out exactly how it's "rigged." The people that know exactly how it is rigged should be winning as they should have an edge over the rest of us that think we are playing Texas Holdem with a regular 52-card deck.

Not SBR specifically, but I do wonder sometimes about online poker shufflers and RNG's at some sites being implemented in a naive way, i.e. a random number generator implemented with less than 256-bits of internal state, thus not being able to come close to representing all the possible combinations of a real deck.

I say this because I know most programmers are lazy by nature, and doing a shuffler and RNG RIGHT takes a little work.

This bias would be pretty small if any, but certain sequences of cards might come up (very) slightly more often than others. To be clear, this wouldn't be responsible for "action flops" "good player suckouts" and the other ideas I've seen.

On the flip side, since programmers are lazy, it's easier for them to do a fair if naive shuffler than a game with all kinds of rules checking for "good players" and substituting cards in certain situations to make them lose.

So I guess there would have to be a clear incentive for the poker site to do this as it would cause a lot of extra work for the programming team.

[elgreco]

I think the program is set so that it creates more action then real poker, like giving somone KK and another guy gets AA and yet still another poor sap gets JJ, i've seen such examples all throughout these weekly tourneys....

This stuff happens in real life too.. But perhaps maybe with less frequency. I was playing with my buddies a few years back and saw the craziest hand ever. 6 people at the table, 4 of which got dealt pocket pairs AA,KK,JJ, 1010... Three hit trips on the flop of KJ10.. And the 4th guy hit his trip on the turn when another A came down.

I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself, and I'd definetly be crying 'rigged!' if it happened online.

[HoldEmHook!!]

bad beats in everything in life

[agharah1]

Its the baseball phenomenon: play enough hands and you'll see everything. Last year the Orioles swept the Yankees @ Yankee Stadium. Remember: 1-2-3-4-5 is a string of random numbers.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

just very unfair. Tonight i got smoked with the absolute worst hands... knockout blow was delivered by KK vs AQ all in preflop, and can you guess the flop? A T 4. lmao.

That's only 70/30.

but when KQ loses to 32

66/33

or JJ loses to 84 hitting runner runner straight, it just aint right no more

85/15

[Muscles]

Definitely not rigged!

[smarmy]

dude, I am the bad beat master. take your bruised pride and get back to the table or just walk away.

[DRZ]

HAHAAH rigged. I'm sure if it were rigged they wouldn't be giving away 1,000's of these points in royal flushes. C'Mon Man.

[stevenash]

Not rigged, but I did get ace-nine offsuit three consecutive hands.
But that happens.

[AMcBoarder]

You see this stuff live and on Tilt, Stars, etc. Its part of the game. The other night I was dealt AA on Tilt and ended being all-in against KK and QQ and actually held up. I've also had KK cracked by A2. It happens.

[mighty maron]

Aj vs Qj vs JT all in pre in the tourney. My AJ comes in third...pfft

[soni]

I just got smoked again by saints. I had Q,something (can't exactly remeber but definitely best cards), he had 4, 6 .... I got Q on the turn but he had both 4, 6 on the flop!!! showdown, me QQ, he 44,66

[Vindicate]

just very unfair. Tonight i got smoked with the absolute worst hands... knockout blow was delivered by KK vs AQ all in preflop, and can you guess the flop? A T 4. lmao. Tuesday and Thursday i got 2k chips smoked early on in the tourny causing a bust. One was headsup (bb vs sb) and another was a crazy mofo moving all in. I called with KQs with crazy guy, and headsup i had A7s. Odds are not correct. At another tourny table, me and Vindicate were spec my table where i was getting crap hands and folding. We concluded that at a particular time, 60% or higher favorites went 0-8 throughout our table. Another bust was wednesday. QQ vs 88 vs K3. Nut flush draw for me on the flop, and the 8 just had to hit on the river.With these beats, i have not been able to hit 8000chips at all this week. So AT vs 77 is nothing. Its a virtual flip. but when KQ loses to 32 or JJ loses to 84 hitting runner runner straight, it just aint right no more

that was INSANE.

Basically it was better to play shitty hands because they won every time

one thing i notice is all in pre flop or after flop, the worse hand catches on the river most of the time