[JoeCool20]

Now about 2 of y'all will make childish comments, and I cant help that!

HERE IS THE HAND.

It is 8 minutes into the 11 p.m. SBR tournament, and you are the big blind for $20. You get dealt 7d 9d

Everybody folds except the small blind calls $10 more the flop comes 8c 2d 6d other player checks,

then you bet $40, the other player raises it to $80.

Then you go all in with your open ended straight and nine high flush draw.

"Somebody" on here wants to know if SBR members think this the "right" play or the "wrong" play

to go all in after the raise behind you! Opinions please!

a few stupid comments by the children and then y'all adults tell me what you think please! T.Y!

[JoeCool20]

My opinion is that it all depends on whether you feel like risking all your chips 8 minutes into the tournament on a draw or not! So how can it be "right" or "wrong"?? But I want you opinion on whether it was "right" or "wrong"!

It all depends on whether you feel like "wild gambling" on nothing more than a draw 8 minutes into the game!

[ArunSh]

Here is the full hand history in case anyone wants to see it. Also posted my comments here:

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ew-format.html




***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 7759303
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 23:08:00 14/05/2019 ET
Table 'Table 82396', 6 seats max, Real money
Seat 1 is the button. Small Blind $10, Big Blind $20
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 6
Seat 1 (joined) : Mirrapro, amount $940, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (joined) : Joecool20, amount $839, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (joined) : ArunSh, amount $859, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (joined) : carolinadaze, amount $1222, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (joined) : stuler, amount $1140, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Joecool20: Small Blind ($10)
ArunSh: Big Blind ($20)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to ArunSh: [7d, 9d]
carolinadaze: Fold
stuler: Fold
Mirrapro: Fold
Joecool20: Call ($10)
ArunSh: Check [btn] ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [8c, 2d, 6d]
Joecool20: Check ($0)
ArunSh: Bet [btn] ($40)
Joecool20: Raise ($80)
ArunSh: Raise [btn] ($839)
Joecool20: Call ($739)
Joecool20: Show Cards ($0)
ArunSh: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Jd]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [2c]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
Joecool20: Show Cards ($0)
ArunSh: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $1678, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $20, Rake $0
Summary Joecool20: bet $839, won $1678, net $839, HoleCards [2s, 6h], HiHand [a full house, twos full of sixes] [2s, 2d, 2c, 6h, 6d], won $1678 from main pot
Summary ArunSh: bet $899, won $20, net $-879, HoleCards [7d, 9d], HiHand [a flush, jack high] [Jd, 9d, 7d, 6d, 2d], won $20 from side pot #1

[thomorino]

Not that I care its the wrong play, even with a flush and straight draw you have to think you're 50/50 to win the hand which means you'd need to be all-in with at least 2 other people even to have pot odds.

[Krashman]

All in

[JoeCool20]

Not that I care its the wrong play, even with a flush and straight draw you have to think you're 50/50 to win the hand which means you'd need to be all-in with at least 2 other people even to have pot odds.

well you were exactly right! It turns out that the other guy had 2 pair so it was like him 52% and the two pair was 48%.


So like I said, it depends on whether he felt like "gambling" on a 50 - 50 coin flip 8 minutes into the tournament!

[JoeCool20]

Here is the full hand history in case anyone wants to see it. Also posted my comments here:

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ew-format.html




***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 7759303
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 23:08:00 14/05/2019 ET
Table 'Table 82396', 6 seats max, Real money
Seat 1 is the button. Small Blind $10, Big Blind $20
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 6
Seat 1 (joined) : Mirrapro, amount $940, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (joined) : Joecool20, amount $839, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (joined) : ArunSh, amount $859, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (joined) : carolinadaze, amount $1222, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (joined) : stuler, amount $1140, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Joecool20: Small Blind ($10)
ArunSh: Big Blind ($20)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to ArunSh: [7d, 9d]
carolinadaze: Fold
stuler: Fold
Mirrapro: Fold
Joecool20: Call ($10)
ArunSh: Check [btn] ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [8c, 2d, 6d]
Joecool20: Check ($0)
ArunSh: Bet [btn] ($40)
Joecool20: Raise ($80)
ArunSh: Raise [btn] ($839)
Joecool20: Call ($739)
Joecool20: Show Cards ($0)
ArunSh: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Jd]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [2c]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
Joecool20: Show Cards ($0)
ArunSh: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $1678, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $20, Rake $0
Summary Joecool20: bet $839, won $1678, net $839, HoleCards [2s, 6h], HiHand [a full house, twos full of sixes] [2s, 2d, 2c, 6h, 6d], won $1678 from main pot
Summary ArunSh: bet $899, won $20, net $-879, HoleCards [7d, 9d], HiHand [a flush, jack high] [Jd, 9d, 7d, 6d, 2d], won $20 from side pot #1

Why the fuk did you put this in here Arun? It was an anonymous thing! Now you have tainted the whole damn thing and influenced what some people might say! Now a few of these idiots will see I'm involved in the shit, and they will see which person was me, and they will NEVER go what they "think" is my way! AND a few more of these idiots will only troll the thread and make childish posts about me now because they are infatuated with me! You fukked up the whole thing now. But who cares. I don't even have a "side" on the shit anyway! And I NEVER said you were wrong either!
You fukkin "assumed" that I thought you were wrong because of my simple comment after the hand where I said
"LOL you went all in on a draw?"

EVERY bit of this is because you got butt hurt about my simple comment after the hand and of your pure an utter "assumption" that I was saying you made a "bad" or "wrong" play WHEN I NEVER SAID THAT!

THAT little simple post in the poker chat by me of "LOL you went all in on a draw?" has driven you absolutely bat shit crazy to the point that you are now "assuming" that I thought it was the "wrong" play! WHEN I NEVER SAID THAT!

You ought to be TOTALLY ashamed of yourself!

[ArunSh]

It's all good Joe. I already frankly feel very foolish in allowing you to provoke me into posting this to begin with - I assure you I won't let you get to me again, not going to say anything further to you about this (as I said, I'm already rather embarrassed that I allowed you to tempt me into going this far with it), or hopefully anything of this type (at least with you) ever again.

So no need to debate this with you any further (and you don't need to send me anymore PMs about this or anything else either). Please just return to dealing with the people who enjoy antagonizing you - there seem to be many of them in the other threads. But I can assure you, that whether I'm right or wrong, it's definitely not something I enjoy doing so it ends here for me. To all others who might read this or any of Joe's other posts about things like this or anything poker related in other threads in this forum or in poker chat: I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress.

[JoeCool20]

It's all good Joe. I already frankly feel very foolish in allowing you to provoke me into posting this to begin with - I assure you I won't let you get to me again, not going to say anything further to you about this (as I said, I'm already rather embarrassed that I allowed you to tempt me into going this far with it), or hopefully anything of this type ever again.

So no need to debate this with you any further (and you don't need to send me anymore PMs about this or anything else either). Please just return to dealing with the people who enjoy antagonizing you - there seem to be many of them in the other threads. But I can assure you, that whether I'm right or wrong, it's definitely not something I enjoy doing so it ends here for me. To all others who might read this or any of Joe's other posts about things like this or anything poker related in other threads in this forum or in poker chat: I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress.

No problem Arun! Please remember, I don't "enjoy" this shit either! That's why I made the thread anonymous!

And that's why I sent you a pm apologizing for saying "LOL you went all in on a draw?" in the poker chat!

Of course you are embarrassed that you did all this over a simple comment that I made about a hand of freakin cards in the poker chat of SBR poker for points!

And It was never a "debate" anyway dude! Because I NEVER said you were "wrong"!

You only ASSUMED that! And you were flat out dead wrong. Because I NEVER said that!

But anyway, Some of you ABSOLUTELY get "ill as hornets" about what people say in the fukin poker chat!

Some of you people really do "Care" and "worry" about how "good" other SBR members think you are at SBR poker for points! LOL

I KNEW my comment after the hand bothered you.

And remember, the WHOLE reason of all this is because I Pm-ed you and APOLOGIZED for saying
"LOL you went all in on a draw?"

Because I knew it bothered you! And instead of saying "thank you for the apology Joe!"

You went absolutely bat shit crazy to the point that you started "assuming" that I thought it was the "wrong" play!
WHEN I NEVER SAID THAT!

Now I KNOW that I am VERY sorry to you that I said "LOL you went all in on a draw?" in the poker chat after the hand!

You are not going to like me from now on when all I did was PM you to apologize!

Sheez man sometimes I just can't win!

[eaglesfan371]

So I'm not going to read all that.

Open ended straight draw + flush draw will often have at least 50% equity. It is a +EV shove to go with it on the flop. You do not have much time to pick and choose hands, this a huge draw, should go with it.

You are also not considering fold equity. In these fast 1 hour tournaments (yet to play one though), you want to accumulate chips as fast as possible. Go with any large hand. If they fold, you get chips, when you don't have time to nit.

[JoeCool20]

So I'm not going to read all that.

Open ended straight draw + flush draw will often have at least 50% equity. It is a +EV shove to go with it on the flop. You do not have much time to pick and choose hands, this a huge draw, should go with it.

You are also not considering fold equity. In these fast 1 hour tournaments (yet to play one though), you want to accumulate chips as fast as possible. Go with any large hand. If they fold, you get chips, when you don't have time to nit.

LOL Please DON'T read all that! Once again EXACTLY right! MAYBE the all in gets the other guy to fold!


If you feel like "gambling" your whole tournament life on a pure draw 50 - 50 "coin flip" when you are only eight

minutes into the tournament, then shove the shit all in and either double your stack or go do something else!

Or, since it is so early in the tourney, you can either just call or even fold and wait until you get a hand with a lot better odds than 50-50!


You are neither playing "right" or "wrong" by doing any of those things.

[fried cheese]

maybe arunsh should have said "lol you min reraised". think how dumb you would have looked if he just called. his play seems pretty standard.

[JoeCool20]

maybe arunsh should have said think how dumb you would have looked if he just called. his play seems pretty standard.

LOL If he had said "lol you min reraised". Then I would have replied "how the hell much do you think I should have reraised when I had the lowest two board pair and all those possible draws are out there?!"

Look at the hand you goof-ball, I wouldn't have "looked dumb" if he had called!

He is not folding no matter what I re-raise to! Whether I re-raised a "min reraise" or "max reraise" all in!

He isn't folding those draws! There is hardly any way to "look dumb" no matter what either player does in this hand!

You can't "look dumb" on SBR poker for points anyway dude! It's for fukkin pennies!

The fact that you would suggest you could, makes you "look dumb".

I personally think that he should have "just called" with only draws, to see if he hit any of the draws!

THEN he can go all in (or bet small to keep me in, or do a "sneaky" check) if he hits!

Instead he went all in and risked his whole tournament on a 50-50 coin flip draw in the first eight minutes of the game!

But who cares which choice he made? The point is that it was neither "right" or "wrong" to go all in!

Nor was it "right or wrong" if he had just called my raise and see if he hits the wild draw.

There are SO many ways to play this that it is incredible! (He could have "min raised" me back! Or even raised a few hundred!) And none of them are "wronger" or "Righter" than the other ways!

It all depends on whether he wanted to just call to see if he hit the draw, or go all in on a "wild gamble" 50 - 50 shot.

And either double his stack, or lose and go read a book.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Found a picture of joe on the two plus two poker forum. Exactly how in envisioned

[JAKEPEAVY21]

[JoeCool20]

Wow! I pulled up this EXACT same thing from the exact same website!

Arun chose to go all in to a re-raise behind him and risk his whole tournament life on a 52% coin flip 8 minutes into the tournament! Well so the fuk what? Who the fuk cares?

There is NO WAY on earth that anybody could think it was a "wrong" play or a "foolish" play!

I know I don't think it is a "wrong" play! AndI never said it was!

If you feel like "gambling" your whole tournament life on a pure draw 50 - 50 "coin flip" when you are only eight

minutes into the tournament, then shove the shit all in and either double your stack or go do something else!

Or, since it is so early in the tourney, you can either just call or even fold and wait until you get a hand with a lot better odds than 50-50!

You are neither playing "right" or "wrong" by doing any of those things.

All I ever posted after the hand was "LOL You went all in on a draw?" And this Arush dude has gone bat shit crazy "assuming" things about my comment!


And quite frankly this Arunsh dude ought to be TOTALLY ashamed of himself for "wrongly assuming" like an idiot that I was "implying" that it was a "wrong" play! WHEN I NEVER SAID THAT!

[Igor_1965]

All in

easily

[Igor_1965]

Found a picture of joe on the two plus two poker forum. Exactly how in envisioned

Look he's smiling!

[fried cheese]

Or, since it is so early in the tourney, you can either just call or even fold and wait until you get a hand with a lot better odds than 50-50!

yea ppl fold straight and flush draws to 2 blind raises all the time. hes already at around 800 chips if he calls and loses this hand he is probably down to around 600 or less depending on how you bet. if he waits for awhile after that for a good hand then he has maybe 500 chips to double up. so if he is incredibly lucky and gets his next two all ins with dominating hands at around 70% each he still only has a 49% chance to win both and get about 2k in chips while he has 52% to get around 1600 chips with his all in play. i dont think its very likely he will be able to get two extremely good all ins with less than 15 blinds at the next level and even if he did thats only around 400 chips better.

[Crusherrr]

What a fkin joke the poker forum is here. Standard all in by Arunsh here. It's a freaking betpoint tournament that is worth literal peanuts and you're going to call him out for "gambling" 8 minutes in? He was the favorite for one and accumulating chips is the whole purpose of tournament poker.

/Thread

[pablo222]

You went all in with bottom 2 there? Terrible.
You got in behind and were lucky to donk a full house

[JoeCool20]

yea ppl fold straight and flush draws to 2 blind raises all the time. hes already at around 800 chips if he calls and loses this hand he is probably down to around 600 or less depending on how you bet. if he waits for awhile after that for a good hand then he has maybe 500 chips to double up. so if he is incredibly lucky and gets his next two all ins with dominating hands at around 70% each he still only has a 49% chance to win both and get about 2k in chips while he has 52% to get around 1600 chips with his all in play. i dont think its very likely he will be able to get two extremely good all ins with less than 15 blinds at the next level and even if he did thats only around 400 chips better.

Yeah, nobody is going to fold to a min re-raise with that draw. My play would be just to call the min re-raise

and see if I donk the straight or flush. But hell, going all in instead of just calling the re-raise is certainly not "wrong."

And I never said it was the "wrong" play!! Arunsh only "wrongly assumed" that I thought it was "wrong"

because I posted the words: "LOL you went all in on a draw?"

Just look at what is posted above my avatar and no further! DON'T FUKIN CRY ABOUT POKER CHAT POSTS!

I never thought I might need to add: "DON'T FUKIN ASSUME SHIT ABOUT POKER CHAT POSTS!

It's an incredible thing that a comment in SBR poker chat "bothered" him in the first place,

But to also "wrongly assume" that I thought it was the "wrong" play is absolutely disgusting.

And quite frankly, he ought to be ashamed of himself for "assuming" shit that I never said!

I can't believe the guy is doing something that ridiculous and foolish.

It's fukkin disgusting that he did that to me for a damn poker chat post!

[cincinnatikid513]

it's all going to go in no matter what on the river when both hit your hands

[JoeCool20]

What a fkin joke the poker forum is here. Standard all in by Arunsh here. It's a freaking betpoint tournament that is worth literal peanuts and you're going to call him out for "gambling" 8 minutes in? He was the favorite for one and accumulating chips is the whole purpose of tournament poker. /Thread

LOL Gotta remember Crush! If arunsh hadn't hijacked my thread then you'd just be answering whether you thought the anonymous play was "wrong" or not! You wouldn't be running your mouth about how you say I "called him out"! LOL How in the fuk is it "calling him out" when all I posted was the totally FACTUAL words of:
"LOL You went all in on a draw?" The factual answer is simply: "Yes I did go all in on a draw."
And then we move on with our lives!!

But as far as the rest of your post, I couldn't agree with you more Crush! This forum is an absolute JOKE man!

And just like you said, this fukkin SBR tournament bullshit is for PEANUTS!

Fuk a 50 50 coin flip! If he wants to go all in with fukkin 7 2 then be my guest! It is poker for peanuts!

Some people on here get ill and butt hurt about a fukkin comment made in the damn poker chat after a hand?!

It is INCREDIBLE to me.

Just look at what is posted above my avatar and no further! DON'T FUKIN CRY ABOUT POKER CHAT POSTS!

I never thought I might need to add: "DON'T FUKIN ASSUME SHIT ABOUT POKER CHAT POSTS!"

I posted the words "LOL you went all in on a draw?" and this Arunsh guy has lost his fukkin mind about it!!

It's an incredible thing that a comment in SBR poker chat "bothered" him in the first place,

But to also "wrongly assume" that I thought it was the "wrong" play is absolutely disgusting.

And quite frankly, he ought to be ashamed of himself for "assuming" shit that I never said!

I can't believe the guy is doing something that ridiculous and foolish.

It's fukkin disgusting that he did that to me over a TOTALLY FACTUAL poker chat post!

[Auto Donk]

So I'm not going to read all that.

Open ended straight draw + flush draw will often have at least 50% equity. It is a +EV shove to go with it on the flop. You do not have much time to pick and choose hands, this a huge draw, should go with it.

You are also not considering fold equity. In these fast 1 hour tournaments (yet to play one though), you want to accumulate chips as fast as possible. Go with any large hand. If they fold, you get chips, when you don't have time to nit.

yep, chip up or chip out early, not worth the time to play like f'n pussyboy waves....

[JoeCool20]

yep, chip up or chip out early, not worth the time to play like f'n pussyboy waves....

DONK! I was really really waiting on your response Donk! But even though the answer is painfully obvious,

the question is not "What would you do in this situation?" the question is:

"Was it the 'wrong play' to go all in after the min re-raise?"

The obvious answer is "of course it is not a 'wrong play' to go all in with those draws."

Some idiot "assumed" that I said it was a "wrong play" to go all in with that draw hand when I NEVER SAID THAT! LOL

And it is ABSOLUTELY incredible that he has done that dumb shit to me!

LOL I swear I would think he is joking, but he ISN'T!!

[jtoler]

You went all in with bottom 2 there? Terrible.
You got in behind and were lucky to donk a full house

every time im at a table with joe he lucks out on the river yet has the nerve to call the losing player a donk for playing it through he's a very funny guy if I didnt see these absurd threads and the way he carries on Id be willing to wager all that such a person doesnt exist

[unlearn]

Auto ship in a pizza points tourney joe cmon can't believe you made a thread to ask this

[JoeCool20]

Auto ship in a pizza points tourney joe cmon can't believe you made a thread to ask this

LOL Unlearn, Who the fuk said I DIDN'T think you should go all in with those draws in a pizza points tourney? Not me!

I SWEAR I'm not trying to be ugly when I say this my friend!

But Please read it again! You have MISSED the WHOLE fukkin point of the thread bro!

the question is not "What would you do in this situation?" the question is:

"Was it the 'wrong play' to go all in after the min re-raise?"

The obvious answer is "of course it is not a 'wrong play' to go all in with those draws."

Some idiot "assumed" that I said it was a "wrong play" to go all in with that draw hand when I NEVER SAID THAT! LOL

And it is ABSOLUTELY incredible that he has done that dumb shit to me!

LOL I swear I would think he is joking, but he ISN'T!!

[JoeCool20]

Originally Posted by pablo222
You went all in with bottom 2 there? Terrible.
You got in behind and were lucky to donk a full house

every time im at a table with joe he lucks out on the river yet has the nerve to call the losing player a donk for playing it through he's a very funny guy if I didn't see these absurd threads and the way he carries on Id be willing to wager all that such a person doesn't exist

LOL thanks again jtoler! All I can say is that if you "care" or are "bothered" by what I, or anybody else posts in the SBR poker chat when this shit is for fukin pennies and pizzas, then read what it says right above my JoeCool avatar!

That stupid idiot pablo222 is so damn infatuated with following me around the forum trying to bash me that he doesn't even know that he read the original post wrong! LOL

I DIDN'T "go all in with bottom 2 pair" I check raised to $80 after the other guy bet $40! Then HE went all in! Not me!

LOL I have some of these people on here like pablo222 and Jake-Big-baby-Pee-Pee SO DAMN infatuated with following me around on threads trying to bash me and call me names that HALF the time they make fools of themselves with their replies because they were SO fixated on bashing ME that they didn't even read the thread! LOL

As you said I AM a "very funny guy!" I LOVE life! And I LOVE cutting up!

And I PROMISE you I am only trying to have fun on here about "SBR pizza poker" for shits sake!

WHO THE FUK COULD TAKE SBR POKER FOR PIZZA POINTS SERIOUSLY AND "CARE" ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID IN CHAT?

I had NO IDEA people were so insecure about what other strangers on SBR thought about their poker play for

pizza that they would give a flying shit what some stranger said in the fukin chat box!

LOL Buddy I have NO idea why I always get a few idiots TOTALLY OBSESSED with me on chat forums!

I SWEAR I wish it wasn't like that!

They don't even care how childish and TOTALLY obsessed with me that it makes them look!

[shadymcgrady]

Blowjoe you're pathetic

[mpaschal34]

joe....i guess our chat about toning it down a little in the forum didn't mean much.

[JoeCool20]

joe....i guess our chat about toning it down a little in the forum didn't mean much.

Well look my friend, If you think I am going to let some idiot make up a total lie about me because he got butt

hurt about a poker chat post that I made about a hand of SBR poker for fukkin pizza points without me replying,

then I just can't do that!

The freakin goofball goes batshit crazy over the comment "LOL You went all in on a draw?"

and starts "Assuming" that I was saying it was a "foolish" play?

LOL You tell me friend!

Do you see ANYTHING in the words "LOL You went all in on a draw?" other than the FACTS of what happened?

Do you see ANY type of "attack" by me? Do you see ANYTHING near the words "wrong" or "foolish play" in those words?

I can't just sit here and let some dumb-ass get butt hurt on here and try to make me look bad with wild ass fukin

"assumptions" about me without stating what actually happened! You wouldn't either! Take care!

[pablo222]

You seem like a guy who has never had a friend. And if you did, you would ruin that by stiffing them on a 5 dollar loan.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

You seem like a guy who has never had a friend. And if you did, you would ruin that by stiffing them on a 5 dollar loan.

he would ruin it by simply talking for 5 minutes and they would run for the hills!!