[toughone]

good advice blazer.. my advice finish school.. 300 to 100k in a year. I don't think so may may be 5k to start??

[SharpAngles]

"Why'd you stop playing those limits?"


I just got tired of playing poker. I've been playing regularly for over 10 years. Started working a new job along with another side project making more money than I was with job & playing poker. With that plus kids I just didn't have the time. Don't really miss the "other" things that come along with poker like feeling like you have play to log volume, sitting in front of the computer or poker table for hours, mood changes due to bad beats or losing streaks or flat lining. I could probably still work in some volume now...but the nail in the coffin is that online poker in the US is borderline dead. It's just shit. I still play once in a blue moon but it was time to move on with other things.


You're seeing how difficult it is to win...which is why people question giving half your winnings to a coach. You don't really need a coach to go from a level 0 to beating 25NL if you're dedicated. If someone isn't then poker probably isn't their thing anyways. Once you get up to 50 100nl you can seek out a coach but you may not even need it still. I don't doubt you are getting good advice but it's not worth the $ vs what you could improve on yourself. Just my opinion. I'm not saying this in a negative way or assume you're doing this, but people often perceive a wrong play as "variance". Variance is getting it in with Aces preflop and pocket 7's winning. Playing a hand incorrectly isn't variance. I don't know how many tables you're playing either or if you're mixing in 6-max, full ring. If you're multi tabling you may want to bring it down a few tables and focus on less. I get that we start somewhere, but it's tough to run up a $200 roll...so don't tilt yourself. It's a learning process. My advice would be table select, table select, table select. I assume you're using some sort of software and even if you aren't if you feel you're at a tough table or you are to the right of someone who keeps putting you in tough spots that you aren't familiar with (like he's 3betting you often)...don't try to slug it out. Swallow that pride and leave. Look for low hanging fruit. You aren't getting any medals beating a table or tags and good lags.

Dane has a clue

[Ballerholic]

Thanks guys for the advice, I know it's going to be hard but as long as I can log in volume I should be able to progress to 10NL and 20NL in 2 months time. I'm killing it on one poker client at the moment, but I went to another for RB/DB. Although I can win at this new site, it's not as fishy as the other site so I don't know. Honestly though, I really do think I could make 20k by this time next year. There are still plenty of fish online and as long as you can login volume there is definitely a way to make some good money. Honestly I know 1.5k to give to the coaching site is a lot, but I was really lost before. I only started playing seriously on the 30th of May this year. Only about 53 days so far. There are 2 coaches I know who are willing to teach me who crush 200NL, but their prices are about $75+ an hour which obviously I don't think I would be able to pay unless I was playing maybe 25Nl, but more like 50NL. Anyway, the main goal is to reach $100k and then start a business with that kind of money. I love poker and I will continue to play for side income (lol I mean hopefully be able to play for side income), but I really want to start a business.

Anyway, I appreciate the advice from all of you and I do agree there are ways to learn without the coaching program. So after I make 1.5k profit for them I might look elsewhere. If anybody here as any advice at all please share as I am definitely considering it all.

I know I'm a complete beginner at poker right now, but I have a huge passion for the game and I need to set huge goals in order progress much quicker.

[DGG23]

wow I'm so sorry, I don't know how forgot about that. How much do I owe you with interest? I'll send you some points now, and I also have a 900 point free bet from SBR.

thanks , this loan is finished
good luck in your projects

[The Giant]

Just out of curiosity, what have you learned by using a coach?

I've never used one. Never even considered it. I always thought the best learning method was just pure experience.

Good luck!

[klemopixx]

Just out of curiosity, what have you learned by using a coach?

I've never used one. Never even considered it. I always thought the best learning method was just pure experience.

Good luck!

[SharpAngles]

Hate to say it cause I can't stand the guy, but TheGiant has a clue

[Ballerholic]

I haven't had a direct coaching session directly. But from the videos he provides I've actually learned a lot. Again I'm a total beginner and I haven't really studied anything that the site provides, but I've got a new plan to start. Once I hit 10NL and have a 100k sample size at the stake I'll begin receiving 1 on 1 coaching and then I'll be put to the intermediate course which I believe involves a TON of math work for a ton of individual hands and filtering and sorting thru PT4.

Playing is great learning experience, but I really want to move up stakes quicker than learning on my own. Honestly I haven't really followed the coachings completely because I've been tilting pretty hard and I've got my own demons to fight. I'll update on that later though.

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €55 (No RB)

Sports: $107.70

So basically I monkey tilted and I tried playing multiple tables while eating pizza and watching TV at the same time. I lost a very good amount. Earlier in the day when I played concentrated everything went much better. My new plan is to play some 4NL, and just follow the coaching and guides for the most part. I'll have to table select very well as well. So we move down a stake which isn't the end of the world, with RB I have about €85.

[stevek173]

I think you should keep the coach.

[SharpAngles]

Poker: €55 (No RB)

Sports: $107.70

So basically I monkey tilted and I tried playing multiple tables while eating pizza and watching TV at the same time. I lost a very good amount.

QFHilarity

GL Baller

[Crusherrr]

Poker: €55 (No RB)

Sports: $107.70

So basically I monkey tilted and I tried playing multiple tables while eating pizza and watching TV at the same time. I lost a very good amount. Earlier in the day when I played concentrated everything went much better. My new plan is to play some 4NL, and just follow the coaching and guides for the most part. I'll have to table select very well as well. So we move down a stake which isn't the end of the world, with RB I have about €85.

If you have to table select anything below 100NL you're doing it very wrong. I told you how difficult this was and while this is a sportsbook forum for the most part some of us here were/are actually accomplished players. You still believed $100k was no problem at all. Stop worrying about volume and quantity of hands and worry about making money and making the right decisions. I wouldn't be playing more than 2 tables at once right now.

I was SNE 2x before Black Friday and made very good money playing 16-20 tables at once. The day I stopped playing so many tables and worried about being a better player I became a winner and started really beating the games instead of just breaking even.
If you want to make $100k in two years, you would need about $5,000 and already be a breakeven/winning player at 100NL. Then when you improve and move up you would have a reasonable shot at clearing $25-40k in year one and the rest in year two.

I wish you luck but there is a reason almost all of these goal threads fail. Especially one with such lofty goals such as yours. Worry about winning before you worry about making $100k.

[Ballerholic]

Dude you haven't played poker online since Black Friday so you might not know, but the game as changed completely. There is so much strategy out at the moment that everybody knows what to do past 2NL. For instance, a lot of 2NL-10NL games have 6 tabling nits with VPIP, PFR of 22/18. Most tables have a players to flop % of 22%. Therefore, table selecting is key to increase your winrate. I'm sure if you've got 100NL experience you would have no problem, but for others who are just learning it's hard to exploit these guys with limited knowledge. Also, once I hit that 100k I'm opening up a Dunkin Donut's lol.

Anyway, what was being a SNE like? Just this year SNE was changed and there's been a huge controversy over it, especially with them not letting players know beforehand. There are a good few PokerStars Pros who decided to protest Pokerstars over it.

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €69

Sports: $107.70

So poker went pretty well last night. I table selected pretty well and started feeling more confident in my play. I started to play and exploit player types. I think I 3/4 bet the river after my reg opponent checked back to me as I knew he only had 2nd pair here.

MLB Giants vs Reds Under 8 -115

[Auto Donk]

i'm waiting for the update on this thread exclaiming "$300 has been reduced to $0, close thread"

[Crusherrr]

Dude you haven't played poker online since Black Friday so you might not know, but the game as changed completely. There is so much strategy out at the moment that everybody knows what to do past 2NL. For instance, a lot of 2NL-10NL games have 6 tabling nits with VPIP, PFR of 22/18. Most tables have a players to flop % of 22%. Therefore, table selecting is key to increase your winrate. I'm sure if you've got 100NL experience you would have no problem, but for others who are just learning it's hard to exploit these guys with limited knowledge. Also, once I hit that 100k I'm opening up a Dunkin Donut's lol.

Anyway, what was being a SNE like? Just this year SNE was changed and there's been a huge controversy over it, especially with them not letting players know beforehand. There are a good few PokerStars Pros who decided to protest Pokerstars over it.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I haven't played poker since black friday. I continue to play 400-1kNL on all US facing sites and I play close to 30 hours a week. I'm aware of the changes to SNE as several of my friends moved to Mexico a few years back and I still talk to them often.

[bobbywaves]

I continue to play 400-1kNL

Then you should be able to afford a c-note to become pro & support this site .

[Ballerholic]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I haven't played poker since black friday. I continue to play 400-1kNL on all US facing sites and I play close to 30 hours a week. I'm aware of the changes to SNE as several of my friends moved to Mexico a few years back and I still talk to them often.

Maybe at the end of next year I'll see you at the tables . Crusher I appreciate the advice on lower the table limits and focusing in on becoming a better player/making better decisions. My part time 200-400NL mentor has told me that as well. But what do you think about the microstakes and moving on up? Is it better to Grind out many tables and try to get my hourly $/100 up so that I can progress to the higher limits, or should I focus on crushing each limit for a high bb/100? Also, if your playing those stakes then poker must be your main source of income? What's that like? (If you don't mind me asking)

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €69 (Pre-RB)

Sports: $96.20

So my bar gig ends this week. Which means that from the start of August I will only be working 1 night each week. This will give me a ton of time to play poker. I will have soccer a few nights a week, and I do have a GF, but other than that I should be able to really increase my volume (I might even start playing some SBR Poker again!). I think I'll be quitting my bar gig as school/soccer/GF just takes up way too much time during the year. I'll still most likely be working a few shifts a week at my other job mainly in the morning. My goal is to be able to move up to 20NL by the end of August. At the moment I'll be receiving €45 due to RB. So I'll need about €36 to take a shot a 5 BI shot at 10NL (probably only playing 2 tables at a time to start). Variance has been pretty sick the past few days as a bunch of calling stations hit their 3 outers on the river, but I probably could have played better against some regs as well.

As for sports betting, I don't really know much about betting on baseball. My bread and butter is NLF/NCAAF/NBA/NCAAB/Golf/Soccer so once those start sports betting will take a bigger role here with analysis.

As well, are there any sites that will teach me about investing in stocks? I'm really interested in taking that route.

[SharpAngles]

Somebody get this kid some adderall

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Somebody get this kid some adderall

Naw... just pop lots of over-the-counter boner pills washed down with shitloads of Red Bull. Same difference and way cheaper. And yes, pts are appreciated for that *PRO TIP*. Gimme....

[Ballerholic]

Dodgers -118 vs Rays

Pirates -109 vs Mariners

[Ballerholic]

Cardinals +1 -111 vs Mets (Martinez vs Syndergaard)

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €68

Sports: $105.30


I'm slowly becoming more confident with my poker game at the microstakes. Table selection is key and so is BRM. I'd be up a few more buyins if I didn't try jumping into the occasional juicy 10NL game. As the biggest reason people lose in sports betting is BRM, the same is exactly applied to poker. Therefore, I'll have to seriously just stick to 4NL at the moment until I can win about 10 more BI's. It could literally take one night if variance helps out. Anyway since dropping to at most 4 tables it's easier to understand how hands are being played out and focus on how to play certain player types.

So a pretty good night overall in sports.

Indians +106 vs Nationals

Tigers +104 vs Red Sox

Royals -117 vs Angels

[Ballerholic]

So I reviewed a few of my biggest losing hands over yesterday and what I've played so far today and I found that after reviewing them €9 worth of mistakes caught my eye. I was either tilting or playing with emotion and supreme confidence at these points. That's 15bb/100 I miss out on.

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €68

Sports: $115.30

DJ -145 vs Day

Stenson -119 vs Garcia

McIlroy Top 10 -115

Matt Kuchar Top 20 +150

J.B. Holmes Top 20 +200

Brooks Koepka Top 20 +215

Tony Finau Top 20 +400

[Ballerholic]

Adam Scott -115 vs Mickelson

[pabonaparte]

I am supremely confident this is going to end well.

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €60

Sports: $143.40

So I'm not sure what it is with Coral Poker, but it seems to be extremely nitty and reggy with a bunch of rakeback grinders. Obviously it's beatable, but there are much better games going on at other sites. So I possibly might be changing sites this upcoming month. Anyway I received some extra cash thru SBR so my sports bankroll is a bit higher now.

[Ballerholic]

Tigers +121 vs Astros

[Ballerholic]

Koepka vs Reed -115 4th round

Day to win +180

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €61.41

Sports: $119.50

I think I'll be moving most funds over to Bet365 and probably using that as my main poker site for the time being.

388843967-1	8/1/16 10:08am	$12.50	$10.00	Pending	8/1/16 7:10pm MLB Baseball 908 Tampa Bay Rays -125* vs Kansas City Royals (D Duffy - L must Start C Archer - R must Start)
388843945-1	8/1/16 10:07am	$10.00	$10.00	Pending	8/1/16 7:10pm MLB Baseball 916 New York Mets +100* vs New York Yankees (C Sabathia - L must Start L Verrett - R must Start)
388843894-1	8/1/16 10:05am	$11.20	$10.00	Pending	8/1/16 10:10pm MLB Baseball 914 Seattle Mariners -112* vs Boston Red Sox (E Rodriguez - L must Start J Paxton - L must Start)

[Ballerholic]

DP.

[Ballerholic]

Poker: €141.28

Sports: $107.40


So I've finally received RB from Coral Poker and it seems I got just under €100 back which is insane. So now I'm almost ready to shot take 10NL again. Coral Poker is a very tough site at the micros as most are european grinders just trying to make money with RB. Now I only played for 34 hours on the site and I was able to generate that much rakeback mainly at 10NL. Therefore, I'll probably still stay with them at least until my deposit bonus is up and then I might move over to a very soft site in Planetwin365 and take advantage of the €600 bonus. What's good is that Planetwin365 have a bunch of recreational players and Huds are not allowed on that site, but I'll be buying software that will allow me to use a HUD there

Anyway I'll try to grind out on Coral Poker as I've reviewed a good amount of hands over there and I was definitely running bad as well as spewing at times. Here's a picture to document how tough the site is:

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What juicy tables at 2NL are there? Maybe 1 or 2, that's it. The rest are reg infested by a bunch of eastern europeans trying to make 1k a month grinding 2NL WTF.

As for sports, I forgot to post the Cubs and Rockies yesterday, but they both ended up winning. As well, I don't if any of you saw my thread about a parlay I posted staking €30 to win €45,000. The parlay is over because France couldn't beat a Ronaldo-less team. F*cking p*ssy *ass French Phaggots. Anyway, I'd be sitting on about 1k right now with the option to make more and hedge depending how the Cubs do in the playoffs. But less just say, I'll be really mad if the Cubs and Patriots win their championships this year.

Anyway, anybody else on the grind here?

[Ballerholic]

Tigers -121 vs White Sox (Good pitcher and way better team against great pitcher)

Blue Jays +110 vs Astros (Good pitcher and very good team plus $$$ against decent pitcher and good team)

Orioles -105 vs Rangers (Fishy line here, but Gausman has been great at home)


Also, here is my graph for my time with Coral Poker.

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