[thetrinity]

at a different casino then i usually frequent, playing the only 1/2 game they have and its tight as penetrate, well at least postflop. everyone will play anything for 2 bucks preflop but nothing for 10 dollars, most players have 150 or less in front of them, except for me and 2 other guys (i cover everyone, one player has around 450, another has around 250 and hes on the button this hand).

anyways on to the hand:

i have 8d10c in the small blind.

5 limps (including button) i call bb checks.

flops 6d7c9c.

granted this games really tight, but i have to bet this here with so many players and so many draws out there. i bet 12 (pot after rake), bb calls one limper calls, all folds to the button who makes it 32, what are you raising to or do you just smooth call and slowplay? a side note to the hand, the button hasnt been playing as snug as the other players, he has been raising sometimes preflop and mixing it up in pots, so i didnt necessarily think he had to have a monster hand here.

[borednaz]

Let's just look at this from all angles. You already have two tight callers who are either drawing or too dumb to realize A7-9 is dead here. You might have a guy with a set but most realistically your getting called on a flush & straight draw. You do have a redraw to the same flush but it's to a 10 high which is crap unless it's a straight flush.

What you need to ask yourself is where is the value? Bringing along the two tight limpers will only result in one call for the min unless a scare card hits meaning your now screwed with 3 in the pot. A Repop will more than likely result in everyone folding but I think here your better off. I'd rather take it down now for $64 profit ($8 *original 10 pot minus your 2* plus 24 *2 $12 callers* plus the 32. 8+24+32=$64) which is about equivalent to half the stack of most players.

Why not get away with half a players stack on a scary board? But I can already see how this realistically played out. The Villain who reraised either had a set or the nut flush draw and got there.

[BeerDog99]

Does the limper or BB have the 450? If you are feeling real lucky you might want to call and see if the BB or limper will too and go for their stacks also.

To me, either way, I would try and take it down here and worst case you are fading the club draw or the board pairing but you have to make them pay hard for the chance to draw out.

[daneblazer]

**Edit- my kneejerk was to call but on 2nd thought I'm raising. You're never improving that hand and maybe your opponent on the button will stack with a draw or stack light.

[RudyRuetigger]

i check raise that flop

[thetrinity]

i check raise that flop

why the players are passive who dont bet draws and im out of position?

[thetrinity]

Does the limper or BB have the 450? If you are feeling real lucky you might want to call and see if the BB or limper will too and go for their stacks also.

To me, either way, I would try and take it down here and worst case you are fading the club draw or the board pairing but you have to make them pay hard for the chance to draw out.

no the bb has around 100 limper who called had around 150.

[IMightBluff]

i check raise that flop

Nuff said.

[RudyRuetigger]

1. The amount of people in the pot...if this was 3 handed, I would lead out

2. The cards on the flop..if the flop was 235 and we had 46, I'd lead out or check call depending on which player was in the pot and how many called after the bet


There are 6 other people in the pot with a 6,7,9 2 clubs showing and all were limps. Chances are someone hit the flop.

[RudyRuetigger]

Nuff said.

please don't post any strategy, you want to limp a6s on the button with a limper

[daneblazer]

I'd try to bet size it so that you can set up getting it all in on the turn. Seeing that the most chips the villains have is 150 it may be better to shove. This is one of those situations where you can play it several different ways. Pretty hard to screw it up

[VCURam3019]

1. The amount of people in the pot...if this was 3 handed, I would lead out

2. The cards on the flop..if the flop was 235 and we had 46, I'd lead out or check call depending on which player was in the pot and how many called after the bet


There are 6 other people in the pot with a 6,7,9 2 clubs showing and all were limps. Chances are someone hit the flop.

This makes no sense? why would you lead on 2 3 5 and with 4 6 and not on this board? obviously if your playing with limpers they will want to see a turn card before they bet. Because they are obvious fish they wont be looking to gain max value they will either check or bet small. Mind it if they bet small then you can raise but it would be pointless as you now look stronger and will more likely push them out of the pot.

Now as leading out goes especially for pot then these dumb morons will be suspicious on why you are doing that. There dumb fish logic would be if he has a monster why would he lead wouldnt he try and slow play trap this? In a sense your getting more value with the nuts and making people pay that have flush draws or a set. He is in a golden spot right now once that dumbass makes it $32. You happily reraise him and get it in on flop with the nuts and chalk it up to a cooler if he hits his flush or boat.

[thetrinity]

1. The amount of people in the pot...if this was 3 handed, I would lead out

2. The cards on the flop..if the flop was 235 and we had 46, I'd lead out or check call depending on which player was in the pot and how many called after the bet


There are 6 other people in the pot with a 6,7,9 2 clubs showing and all were limps. Chances are someone hit the flop.

i agree that someone hit the flop for sure, with a draw. with how tight the game was playing, i felt like it was getting checked through if someone didnt have the top pair plus, not really a guarantee. some of these guys werent even raising aq ak type hands so it was possible that no one smacked it completely. id rather just build the pot myself, i wouldnt get married to it if the turn is a club.

[thetrinity]

I'd try to bet size it so that you can set up getting it all in on the turn. Seeing that the most chips the villains have is 150 it may be better to shove. This is one of those situations where you can play it several different ways. Pretty hard to screw it up

the button was the 3rd biggest stack at the table and the one raising it to 32, he also was the one other guy who was mixing it up at all, so i didnt think he was loaded necessarily. he seemed like he could have got away if i reraised if he had just the 9.

its time to move on. i felt like my best move was trying to get him heads up, so i made it 90, the two who called 12 got out and he ends up calling.

the turn was the harmless ace of hearts and i bet 160 (all he had) and he thinks and calls.

i tell him i have the nuts and he flips over qc8c and rivers 4 of diamonds and i win a big pot.

he shoulda folded the turn the flop was fine.

[lunchbawks]

win the pot right there or get it good

you have a club in your hand too which helps

[RudyRuetigger]

This makes no sense? why would you lead on 2 3 5 and with 4 6 and not on this board? obviously if your playing with limpers they will want to see a turn card before they bet. Because they are obvious fish they wont be looking to gain max value they will either check or bet small. Mind it if they bet small then you can raise but it would be pointless as you now look stronger and will more likely push them out of the pot.

Because noone hits a 235 flop



You guys are talking as if everyone has to be on a draw here and so they'll all check. there are 6 other limpers..there are a ton of hands people can bet for value or to protect

[VCURam3019]

Because noone hits a 235 flop



You guys are talking as if everyone has to be on a draw here and so they'll all check. there are 6 other limpers..there are a ton of hands people can bet for value or to protect

LOL now i see why IMightBluff thinks your a moron. Obviously 6 people in a limped pot someone hit 2 3 5? are you dumb? A4 combos. 22, 33, 55, 44 with an open ender.... how are you gonna tell me noone in a 6way pot hit 2 3 5 ever?

[IMightBluff]

LOL now i see why IMightBluff thinks your a moron. Obviously 6 people in a limped pot someone hit 2 3 5? are you dumb? A4 combos. 22, 33, 55, 44 with an open ender.... how are you gonna tell me noone in a 6way pot hit 2 3 5 ever?

My fish finder abilities have been acknowledged!

[Triple_D_Bet]

Oh look Rudy, now you have 2 of them...is this karma for winning so much this past year??

[RudyRuetigger]

Oh look Rudy, now you have 2 of them...is this karma for winning so much this past year??

luckily i only check the poker subforum when im bored or drunk

LOL now i see why IMightBluff thinks your a moron. Obviously 6 people in a limped pot someone hit 2 3 5? are you dumb? A4 combos. 22, 33, 55, 44 with an open ender.... how are you gonna tell me noone in a 6way pot hit 2 3 5 ever?

I didn't say ever.

Almost everyone in here, including you, is arguing every other person will check on a 679 flop....now you want to argue that tons of people will hit a 235 flop....ok thanks for proving my point that people will hit a 679 flop.


You bet for value on a 235 flop because people will call with 2 random overcards when obviously they would check if checked too.

I would go more in depth, but I already won thread.

[daneblazer]

My only hesitation about check raising is that you may scare the player(s) off who have marginal hands like 8X or something along those lines...but maybe I've been playing online too long. Like I mentioned above, it's kinda hard to misplay this one as long as you are being aggressive. I guess you could min bet, check-call, shove, or fold and misplay it.

Heh, Q8s...no reverse implied odds there at all.

[thetrinity]

i posted this because i think its good to post hands we win sometimes 2.

i think i played it fine, bad luck for him on the flop, i think q8s on the button in this type of game is ok if you are skilled enough to play it, i tend to avoid the 3 gappers though.

if im him i probably raise then call the flop reraise, then fold on the turn all in.

[RudyRuetigger]

if im him i probably raise then call the flop reraise, then fold on the turn all in.

no chance...he shouldve went all in or folded to your reraise

[BeerDog99]

Good discussion, thanks!

Glad you won the hand bud.

[thetrinity]

no chance...he shouldve went all in or folded to your reraise

he coulda went all in, i think callings best though, i put 90 into a multiway pot with literally nothing invested, he has to think im content playing for his stack at that point.

folding for 58 more closing the action seems a little crazy, especially since theres about 35 dollars dead money in there.

personally im probably not playing this preflop, even on the button. i would play any other suited queen except q8 the way the game was playing for 2 dollars on the button with multiple limps in front of me.