[Emily_Haines]

I am waiting to get into Omaha8 game and watching him play in a 300 survivor game which is basically a 1/3 NL game. He has AJo on button there are several calls before action gets to him on button. He raises it to 22 on button and four guys call.

90+ in pot

flop comes J94 rainbow

it is check to him and he bets 60 and gets one caller

turn is a Q making board J96Q

and the player first to act leads out and goes all in for his last 90

I'm thinking that the flop bet was pretty big and the guy called it. So matter what he has to have at least something fairly good to make that call. I think we can discount any sets except maybe pocket 66. Could he have KJ or maybe JT? possibly? but i think those are the only two hands we beat out of the many combinations that he could have called with. I think it is far more likely that he has a 2 pair hand like QJ, J9 or maybe even an open ender with QT and now hit the Q. Also T8 got there. I thought there was just too much out there that beats us now and I would have folded even though it was only 90 to call with 210 in the pot.

[daneblazer]

It's player dependent. Guys who limp in and call a lot (imagine something like a 35/5 Vpip/pfr line) rarely act in aggression unless they have something. That's not an easy one to lay down, but the villains line in the hand looks like trouble

[Emily_Haines]

It's player dependent. Guys who limp in and call a lot (imagine something like a 35/5 Vpip/pfr line) rarely act in aggression unless they have something. That's not an easy one to lay down, but the villains line in the hand looks like trouble

My experiences when guys like this lead out all in or for very large wager they almost always have a one pair type hand beat. Seems kind of stupid to make big bluff when you basically have zero fold equity. Tell you what happened in hand tomorrow.

[downsouth]

The simple call pre, then check call then finally pushing 90 on turn would generally have me assuming that he has a hand.(unless something I know about his game tells me otherwise)

Was he one of first to call initial 22 raise or was he one of last to act. Maybe Q 10 and when he hit queen on turn figured hes pushing with top pair and open draw. Just flat calls half pot bet on flop but whatever.

So if I had to guess a hand id guess nit, shoving Q 10, figuring he had "outs" even when behind.

But almost any hand I d put him on would have AJ beat.

[Emily_Haines]

The guy had KT and called the 60 with one over card and gut shot. Made a K high straight with the Q on the turn.

[borednaz]

I'm seeing a draw calling to get there on the flop because on that textured board if I had 2 pair like J9 or a 66 set, I'm re-popping to protect my hand on that draw heavy board. I'm actually guessing something different though. K-10 maybe? The mentality here of the average player is pretty easy to understand. I'd make my call or fold based upon where in the hand the guy was on the calling list for my Pre-flop raise. The first guy to call is usually the guy who has strong cards because he has to deal with the "Shock" factor.

The second guy to call has a middle range hand just hoping to hit and suck out on the two bigger hands. By the third guy, all the stress is out of the hand and it seems no different than any other multiple limp in hands so it's a call with whatever the hell. Probably Soooted.

The other big possibility that no one is saying is the guy just fired out as a semi bluff / I give up move. If I'm looking back at 60 knowing I'm pot committed on a draw maybe It makes sense to fire out. The board is scary, the other guy has fold equity. I mean if I've made up my mind there is no fold option for me, I know this guy has fired a bullet at every street. He is going to fire that last bullet to put me all in anyways.

May as well put the pressure on him or get called and pray.

[borednaz]

crap do you know how long it took to write the above on a Netbook when I first woke up lol. Only to see the answer when I finally post..

[Halstad]

The guy had KT and called the 60 with one over card and gut shot. Made a K high straight with the Q on the turn.

People are stupid, almost nothing amazes me.

[thetrinity]

tough spot, i believe ur friend could have passed, this goes in the "read dependent" category though.

22 seems like an awfully big preflop raise.

[infamousbacardi]

As soon I read the turn draw I immediately thought K10. Risky draw for your friend's opponent after the flop because he probably wouldn't have paid to see the river if he didn't hit his straight on turn, then he just donked off most of his stack. As it was, he hit and your friend paid for it obviously.

[daneblazer]

I thought his mostly likely holding would be QJ. There's really not a whole lot your friend beats there that would be jamming the turn. You can probably discount QT & KJ because players like that will usually check/call with a draw whether they have a pair or not.

[Kaladarus]

90 to win 300 not bad. You don't have to be right a high percentage of the time to call that. I see a lot of hands jamming the turn here. A 22 raise pre flop could mean that they don't believe your friend had a jack. This could have guys with pocket pairs like 10s or 8s maybe even lower. If these hands make the call on the flop thinking you might not have the jack, on the turn even if you had the jack they can now steal. The caller knows the money is probably going in either way might as well jam it on the turn, especially with a scare card.

I think a lot of information on your opponent is needed to not make the turn call when risking 90 wins a 300 pot.

[CrazyCarl]

Wait. Pocket 6's or pocket 4's?