[jcubs55]

Hey guys,

As many people know, SBR has very low limits in the sportsbook (250 max for MMA), and I want to wager a lot more than that on this fight. I want Jon "Bones" Jones to win 2,500 betpoints (along with plenty of cash I have already wagered). Right now Pinnacle is offering +170 on Rua, Bodog is at +175, Bookmaker (and SBR) are also at +175. I am offering +185, which easily beats all those lines.

I want a total of 4625 betpoints to win 2500. There will be no limit per poster, just a limit on total action. First come first serve. Simply transfer the points to this post AND POST IN THE THREAD AT THAT SAME TIME to book action. If there are any questions, ask them in this thread for all to see rather than PM. As for myself, I have a perfect rep on this site, and I am a reputable regular on 2P2 where I make sports bets of anywhere between $100-$1000+ with other posters without escrow. In some cases (including a bet I have for this fight), I have other posters escrow the funds to me on Pokerstars. If you would like proof of any of this, let me know and I will provide links, recs. The point of my saying this is that you should feel comfortable betting POINTS against someone who bets hundreds of dollars without having to escrow upfront.



Cliff notes: I have Jon "Bones" Jones -185, you have Mauricio "Shogun" Rua +185 on 3/19/2011. 4625 to win 2500 total MAX, no max per poster. Simply transfer the points to this post AND POST IN THE THREAD AT THAT SAME TIME to book action. Good luck!

[nyed1010]

nobody in their right mind is going to take shogun. It's bones or no play.

[jcubs55]

I have transferred the exact amount of points I am risking to my SBR wallet for all to see/prove that I am good for the points.

nobody in their right mind is going to take shogun. It's bones or no play.

I saw a poll on this forum where there were 42 votes for Shogun and 41 for Jones, so it looks like the forum is pretty divided and we should be able to find some decent action.

[flyingillini]

Sounds good, only if you were around longer and I knew you I would gladly bet you. I don't bet with posters though unless I have known you for a while so I just resort to just the SBR book. I am sure you will find someone to take your action though. Should be a hell of a fight!

[jcubs55]

Sounds good, only if you were around longer and I knew you I would gladly bet you. I don't bet with posters though unless I have known you for a while so I just resort to just the SBR book. I am sure you will find someone to take your action though. Should be a hell of a fight!

I've seen you around a ton and would think it'd be safe to bet with you, so I would be willing to escrow either to a third party like a mod or another regular. If we can't arrange that, I would be fine escrowing to you for up to 500 points on your end (even though I feel you can be trusted, I would naturally still want to diversify my escrowed wagers just in case). That is how I earned my rep on 2P2 and I am willing to do the same here... you have to start somewhere. If you have any interest in seeing my rep on 2P2 I can show you that as well and get some regs to vouch for me. (The regulars there have composed a "Reputable Bettors List", and I am on it.) Just let me know if you'd like to work something out!

[King Mayan]

I'll take shogun.. Let me get so more points....

[nyed1010]

I have transferred the exact amount of points I am risking to my SBR wallet for all to see/prove that I am good for the points.



I saw a poll on this forum where there were 42 votes for Shogun and 41 for Jones, so it looks like the forum is pretty divided and we should be able to find some decent action.

95% of this board don't know shit about MMA. This is simply a case of people going with the more familiar name. Anyone that follows MMA and has watched these two fight knows this is Jones' fight to lose. Of course shogun could win, but Jones is just too versatile and will be able to avoid any big punches from shogun, which is what I believe is the only way shogun can win this fight.

[jcubs55]

bump for daytime posters to see

[illmatick]

95% of this board don't know shit about MMA. This is simply a case of people going with the more familiar name. Anyone that follows MMA and has watched these two fight knows this is Jones' fight to lose. Of course shogun could win, but Jones is just too versatile and will be able to avoid any big punches from shogun, which is what I believe is the only way shogun can win this fight.

moron

[Vaughany]

moron

[teaserpleaser]

wait what? 250 max in the sbr book wasnt it 500 for bellator and strikeforce this last weekend? No parlays suck sbr what is up with the mma limits?

[illmatick]

wait what? 250 max in the sbr book wasn't it 500 for bellator and strikeforce this last weekend? No parlays suck sbr what is up with the mma limits?

book has been getting killed by the MMA sharps. I was told they will no longer offer parlays. -EV for sbr to keep allowing them.

There's not enough two-way action for higher limits.

[nyed1010]

moron

what about my comment is not true? The only chance I give Shogun of winning this fight is if he catches bones with a big punch and I just don't think that's going to happen. Bones is too quick and crafty, and if he even for a moment feels he's in danger standing up, he will take shogun to the ground. With bones on top, shogun will either get submitted or bones will grind it out for a decision. Shogun is just too one-dimensional for someone as versatile as bones.

[teaserpleaser]

guess have to hit up stallions book faber davis aldo all about or over -300 need my parlays.... is that 250 limit win or risk?

[Conan]

for some reason the lines are not up in the SBR sportbook for me. I do agree Jones is a great fighter but people are forgeting so is shogun. I like him with an underdog line

[ttrace35]

95% of this board don't know shit about MMA. This is simply a case of people going with the more familiar name. Anyone that follows MMA and has watched these two fight knows this is Jones' fight to lose. Of course shogun could win, but Jones is just too versatile and will be able to avoid any big punches from shogun, which is what I believe is the only way shogun can win this fight.

What a fukkin dummmmmmy you are.

[MMAdisciple]

Shogun is just too one-dimensional for someone as versatile as bones.

This is as noob as it gets.

[yisman]

guess have to hit up stallions book faber davis aldo all about or over -300 need my parlays.... is that 250 limit win or risk?

It's 250. Whether it's to win or risk depends on whether you're smart about how to bet.

If something has a max of 250 in the SBR Book, and you want to bet a favorite, you click to win when betting and you can get more down.

If you're betting on a -500 fave, you can bet 1250 to win 250.

[nyed1010]

lol, any reasoning you guys want to share with us instead of just calling me a "noob" . Shogun is a ******* one-dimensional fighter. He's a ******* striker and that's it. The only relation he has to to ******* BJJ is the fact that he's brazilian. I don't give a f*ck about his black belt. All brazilians no matter what their style is has one of those toys. Like Sonnen would say, it's like getting a toy from a happy meal. I'll say it again, unless he knocks out Jones, which he won't, he won't win. I don't know how this is a "noob" comment.

[teaserpleaser]

It's 250. Whether it's to win or risk depends on whether you're smart about how to bet.

If something has a max of 250 in the SBR Book, and you want to bet a favorite, you click to win when betting and you can get more down.

If you're betting on a -500 fave, you can bet 1250 to win 250.

Thanks Yisman

[stefan084]

jones isn't -185

[teaserpleaser]

lol, any reasoning you guys want to share with us instead of just calling me a "noob" . Shogun is a ******* one-dimensional fighter. He's a ******* striker and that's it. The only relation he has to to ******* BJJ is the fact that he's brazilian. I don't give a f*ck about his black belt. All brazilians no matter what their style is. Like Sonnen would say, it's like getting a toy from a happy meal. I'll say it again, unless he knocks out Jones, which he won't, he won't win. I don't know how this is a "noob" comment.

shogun is advanced on the ground i dont know or care if he has his bjj black belt or not brazilians give bbs to each other like candy. but trust me hes solid brown belt level on the ground go back and watch his pride 2005 critical countdown fight with Lil Nog some good groundwork there.

[Preston09]

Bones Jones is going to be hard to beat. Especially off of a Shogun injury.

[Eccocide]

Gimme +200 and Ill bet you 500 pts.

[yisman]

By the way, I may take this offer, but I'm not interested on tying up my points on something that won't happen for 10 days.

[nyed1010]

shogun is advanced on the ground i dont know or care if he has his bjj black belt or not brazilians give bbs to each other like candy. but trust me hes solid brown belt level on the ground go back and watch his pride 2005 critical countdown fight with Lil Nog some good groundwork there.

I don't know how much a fight that occurred over 5 years ago is going to tell us about his ground game. What we do know is that Bones can take down Shogun whenever he wants. One of Shogun's weakest points is his take down defense. On the ground, Jones will do whatever he likes. He can just grind away, go for the TKO with some of the sickest elbows in MMA, or setup the submission. Jones just has too much to throw at shogun.

[kiefynugs]

lol, any reasoning you guys want to share with us instead of just calling me a "noob" . Shogun is a ******* one-dimensional fighter. He's a ******* striker and that's it. The only relation he has to to ******* BJJ is the fact that he's brazilian. I don't give a f*ck about his black belt. All brazilians no matter what their style is has one of those toys. Like Sonnen would say, it's like getting a toy from a happy meal. I'll say it again, unless he knocks out Jones, which he won't, he won't win. I don't know how this is a "noob" comment.

ok. lets just stick to facts instead of using Sonnen quotes to try and discredit black belts everywhere

90% of Shogun's opponents have been more well rounded than him by your definition. 50% of those have better wins on their record than Jones does, who's best win was Bader.

Jones has sloppy standup. His best bet is to keep shogun on his back which everybody has failed to do thus far, and is made all the more difficult in a 5 round fight.

Really Jones is the 1 dimensional one in this fight, as he can only dominate with GNP from top position.

[Vaughany]

Jon Jones: “Despite being a white belt, I think I can tap out Shogun”

[Kaladarus]

lol, any reasoning you guys want to share with us instead of just calling me a "noob" . Shogun is a ******* one-dimensional fighter. He's a ******* striker and that's it. The only relation he has to to ******* BJJ is the fact that he's brazilian. I don't give a f*ck about his black belt. All brazilians no matter what their style is has one of those toys. Like Sonnen would say, it's like getting a toy from a happy meal. I'll say it again, unless he knocks out Jones, which he won't, he won't win. I don't know how this is a "noob" comment.

I think some people are upset you said 95% of this board doesn't know shit about MMA. There are several posters here on this forum that are not only big winners with their picks posted on this forum, but also crush any other sport on any forum with their winnings. Another thing to consider is jcubs post. He made this post because the people at SBR know so much about MMA that SBR only reduced MMA lines in the sportsbook and only allows straights. Maybe you need to do some research or are missing some information most of this forum has already figured out.

[nyed1010]

ok. lets just stick to facts instead of using Sonnen quotes to try and discredit black belts everywhere

90% of Shogun's opponents have been more well rounded than him by your definition. 50% of those have better wins on their record than Jones does, who's best win was Bader.

Jones has sloppy standup. His best bet is to keep shogun on his back which everybody has failed to do thus far, and is made all the more difficult in a 5 round fight.

Really Jones is the 1 dimensional one in this fight, as he can only dominate with GNP from top position.

who has shogun fought that is even close to the well-rounded, versatile fighter Jones is? Liddell(striker), Machida(karate), Coleman(wrestler,one of the biggest scrubs in the game which he lost to in there first matchup), Griffin(the guy specializes in nothing, pretty much average in several areas). Point is, none of these guys is even close to the versatility Jones brings to the table. Jones's reach and unorthodox strikes allows him to stand up with anyone, but what's the point when he can just takedown Shogun whenever he wants. On the ground, he can submit you or throw elbows and put you to sleep.
I agree Jones hasn't fought anyone close to the caliber of fighters Shogun has in their careers, but look what Jones has done to everyone that faced him. He's made everyone look like minced meat. Nobody has even come close, not even a sniff at beating Jones.

[Eccocide]

who has shogun fought that is even close to the well-rounded, versatile fighter Jones is? Liddell(striker), Machida(karate), Coleman(wrestler,one of the biggest scrubs in the game which he lost to in there first matchup), Griffin(the guy specializes in nothing, pretty much average in several areas).

Not sure why anyone woulda respond to this guy after this statement lol.

[nyed1010]

I think some people are upset you said 95% of this board doesn't know shit about MMA. There are several posters here on this forum that are not only big winners with their picks posted on this forum, but also crush any other sport on any forum with their winnings. Another thing to consider is jcubs post. He made this post because the people at SBR know so much about MMA that SBR only reduced MMA lines in the sportsbook and only allows straights. Maybe you need to do some research or are missing some information most of this forum has already figured out.

There is a reason I wrote 95%. Meaning there are 5% who actually know what their talking about and I honestly believe this is a fair number, especially considering some of the comments left in this thread alone. Several guys here that have MMA related usernames calling me out and calling me a noob without even a sentence to back up their claims.

[nyed1010]

Not sure why anyone woulda respond to this guy after this statement lol.

please enlighten me and I'm not talking about fighters he fought 80 years ago in Pride. I just gave you the fighter he's fought in the past few years and none of them come close to Jones.

[teaserpleaser]

I don't know how much a fight that occurred over 5 years ago is going to tell us about his ground game. What we do know is that Bones can take down Shogun whenever he wants. One of Shogun's weakest points is his take down defense. On the ground, Jones will do whatever he likes. He can just grind away, go for the TKO with some of the sickest elbows in MMA, or setup the submission. Jones just has too much to throw at shogun.

He held his own actually had Nog in danger at times, Nog is an Elite Black Belt that was some time ago hes a world class fighter do you think his ground game got worse in 5 years or better hint: probably better... im on your side (im backing jones) but you sound like a Tuff newb some of the things you are saying. I teach bjj/sub grappling ground skills arent lost unless you take a long time off (years) and im talking long and even then its like riding a bike after weeks/months you'll get it back. you only get better on the ground with time so im not sure what your point is about that fight being 5 years ago it is valid and the best example i can think of showing shoguns ground skills vs a well respected BTT Black Belt in lil Nog.

[teaserpleaser]

Not sure why anyone woulda respond to this guy after this statement lol.

good point didnt see that...guy is a newb for sure