I still go all in with them, but I'm 0 for 6 the last 6 times...so it sucks for the moment.
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03-07-11 12:08 AM #71
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03-07-11 12:18 AM #72
Might as well push with an ace everytime, the fukking ace always comes.
ALWAYS
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03-07-11 12:20 AM #73
Pocket j's are tricky. A lot of pros talk about how much they hate them. it also depends if you are playing online or live
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03-07-11 12:21 AM #74I thought i told you that we dont stop
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you guys are tools to think this would be a simple answer. So many different scenarios to look into. Chip stack, position, tourney or cash game, table play, Potential opponents equity in the hand, and about 15 other things that i wont even get into. Generally when im dealt pocket jacks in a cash game. ( i play around 25-35 hours live a week) ill be all in about 8% of the time pre flop. Even with card like Aces ill have even a lower percentage. Your goal with big pocket pairs is to isolate your hand, Not push pre flop. Pushing gives mediocre hands a lot of call equity if you get say 2 callers in early position.
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03-07-11 12:27 AM #75
Shove button or later against small/mid/upper stacks that are loose/agressive of any variation. ALWAYS dump JJ with a couple raises in front of you regardless of your position
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03-07-11 12:43 AM #76
If you and your opponent have deepish stacks, like 50 big blinds or more, you will almost always find yourself way behind or a little ahead. 3-bet folding isn't pretty, but you gotta do it sometimes unless you're up against a maniac. In a freeroll like on SBR where people are open shoving ATC in the early rounds, I'd probably stick my nose in with what figures to be the best hand. I haven't been playing these tourneys much because I work weird hours.
Maybe in the freerolls and $2 games you play bud. The economy has the food chain all f'd up, some pros are busting and games get tougher all the time. In '05 - '08 anyone with a brain could make a killing.
Originally Posted by obamaismyuncle
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03-07-11 01:34 AM #77
If you're in an MTT and have 10 BB's or less then yes it's an all in situation. If it's early on with like 10/20 blinds with 1500+ chip counts don't be retarded and play bingo against fish because you know some assclown will be calling with KQ and ending your tourney early. Cash games are different I would just call with JJ and hope to hit a J on the flop. Jacks get burned a lot on ragged flops. Hate this hand personally.
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03-07-11 08:54 AM #78
there you go Originally Posted by frizzelli
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03-07-11 08:59 AM #79
it depends on a lot of things, how lose your table is, if your playing a cash game or a tourney, how big is your stack, if your short stacked and behind the blinds you wanna push to steal or get called and double but if its early you just put in a 3 or 4 times raise of the big blind to get an idea of what everyone has if someone goes over the top all in they probably have kk aa or ak and you should fold
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03-07-11 10:33 AM #80
Originally Posted by KingKolzig
great fuking example u fkn goof, :40 to :55
what a great faking video!!!!!!! Originally Posted by frizzelli
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03-07-11 10:58 AM #81
never all in pre-flop with JACKS tried it many times on FT ,PS right of the git go in tournys .yep out in last place ..just check and hope to flop trips..and then pray they hold
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03-07-11 10:59 AM #82
I think iifold's point is/was JJ is a lot closer to TT than it is to AA. And you should treat it as such... Originally Posted by falconticket
Doc
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03-07-11 11:56 AM #83
LOL I expected that video to be an actually strategy one. That shit is just too good. Basically sums it up with jacks. It depends, it depends, it depends. I will say if you have less then 10 bb's always push over limp/raises, and min raise call shove with no action in front of you.
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03-07-11 12:18 PM #84
Originally Posted by muldoon
6-0 is right around the corner
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03-07-11 12:52 PM #85
lol it all depends on the situation and table dynamics!
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03-07-11 12:56 PM #86
deff more often than not no because JJ is like kissing death
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03-07-11 07:52 PM #87
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03-07-11 08:13 PM #88
hahah this thread is great
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03-07-11 08:39 PM #89
this is wrong on many levels Originally Posted by B1GER1C828
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03-07-11 08:40 PM #90
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03-07-11 08:56 PM #91
not really Originally Posted by boscokid
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03-07-11 09:50 PM #92
Yep. Done that a few times. Mostly when I was ready to go.
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03-07-11 09:52 PM #93
I guess it depends if your feeling it. Thats what i think
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03-07-11 09:59 PM #94
Id def go all in with 3 or less people
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03-07-11 10:00 PM #95
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03-08-11 06:24 AM #96
lol - so you and the OP believe the only way to fold JJ preflop is facing bet, raise, rereaise, reraise?? good luck with that Originally Posted by wiffle
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03-08-11 06:52 AM #97
it depends how far the tourney is and what stack i have usually i just call or do a minimum raise, i dont like jacks and10s very much
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03-08-11 06:16 PM #98
True I would be less inclined to doing that early in the tourney.
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03-08-11 07:27 PM #99
not only that situation, obv, but only when facing aggression from multiple people and even then maybe not. depends on stack size and buy-in. Originally Posted by boscokid
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03-09-11 02:51 AM #100
yes but more because they seem lucky to me a-6 or a k-6 suited donk play can burn you so many times.
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03-09-11 03:55 PM #101
Horrible hand, you always end up screaming at your monitor, as Mr Cage so adequately demonstrates:
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03-09-11 03:57 PM #102
I played today until the blinds hit 600 and I never got a high pair. That was a lot of hands.
Amazing.
Best hands: KQ (unsuited), A10 (unsuited), pair of 4s, pair of 2s
although at the end I think I had AJ. But no AA, KK, QQ, JJ, etc.
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03-09-11 04:07 PM #103
Top 5 hand in Poker.
77.5 win % vs random hand
yup, fold it pre-flop
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03-09-11 07:39 PM #104
Pocket jacks seem to get me quite often, but shit i also lose with pocket aces often also!
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03-10-11 06:11 AM #105
Found a nice little stats table, shows probability of a higher pair than JJ with X other players
9: 12.6%
5: 7.2%
3: 4.4%
1: 1.5%
Problem if you let it go to a flop though, chance of an A or K is 41% on the flop, 60% the board - if someone checks your big raise, that's probably going to connect (or they have QQ/KK/AA/AK/AQs).
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