[Meyhem]

[Jaug]

SBR pro should be a requirement to even get points imo. You non-pros should be happy you get points.

[linedrivr]

SBR would be a better place if everyone had to be a PRO, it would cut out a lot of the bullcrap.

Amen to that one!

[HoulihansTX]

I dont understand why you guys think SBR should rid themselves of Non-Pros?

What is the difference in me posting 2 years ago, and now?

I dont care about my accumulation of points. My problem is what I can do with them.

Also I dont get how I'm a freeloader now, but when there was no SBR Pro BS I was just a poster.

But now since SBR John has explained why they stopped allowing the service forum transfer of points. I understand now.

[GJMike]

listen to yourself while typing this I live in Vegas, therefore having no need of an online account. I have over 10+ outs locally.

I live in Vegas too. If you did decide to deposit offshore I am sure you would find that you would save quite a bit of money on reduced juice, better lines and less gas money. But I can understand that you may want to deal with our local books as well.

[Alfie B]

I would love to know when betpoints and all of the perks became rights you were entitled to.

I don't believe anyone is stopping you from posting, the core function of the site.

Gotta love the "I've got a local" posters too big time to deposit 200 bucks, but still open to milking SBR for $100s to $1000s worth of items from the store.

Non-pro benefits for posting here are still far and away better than any other site, so it makes so much sense to bitch like this, huh?

I will be becoming a pro, but was layed off last fall and have just been playing with what is in my accounts for the winter, you will see the pro tag under my name in a month or so.
Non-pros are not milking sbr for $100 or $1000 of items in the store as the only item available to non-pros is a t-shirt for 140 pts.
I did buy a free-play Feb. 14 but that is not an option for non-pros anymore.

[Alfie B]

There was indeed lot's of notice given, I have no problem with it as a non-pro for the moment.

[iifold]

May have to start lobbying again if Non Pros don't settle down...

[TobiasFunke]

I dont understand why you guys think SBR should rid themselves of Non-Pros?

What is the difference in me posting 2 years ago, and now?

I dont care about my accumulation of points. My problem is what I can do with them.

Also I dont get how I'm a freeloader now, but when there was no SBR Pro BS I was just a poster.

But now since SBR John has explained why they stopped allowing the service forum transfer of points. I understand now.

Im not trying to attack you personally, but posters who don't actually bet offshore don't really belong here. This site reviews offshore sportsbooks, not books in Vegas.

[ehp6737]

When I lived in Texas I had a 5Dimes account. I dont need or want to deal with it anymore.

Think about this. When you guys take a trip to Vegas, do you....

A. Deposit funds into offshore account B4 leaving so you can makes some bets while on your trip

B. Hate not having a chance to make bets, because you didnt bring you computer

C. Go to a sportsbook at one of the many casinos, and have an awesome time making bets with the option of cashing out you winning ticket.


You guys decide.

Oh and for the idiot that said I'm lazy for not going to Walmart. My local sportsbook is much closer.

Man, you just dont get it do you? You must have a learning disability. Nobody is arguing that it's more convienent for you to deposit offshore. What most people, including myself, are trying to tell you is that it's ONE freaking time a year that you have to deposit and just get it over with already. The funny thing is that last time I was in Vegas I wired money home right from inside the casino. So your "excuses" are lame.....at best. So just pull up your skirt Nancy and sh*t or get off the pot. God damn, you could've taken all the time and energy you've spent on this thread and just deposited already

[HoulihansTX]

Im not trying to attack you personally, but posters who don't actually bet offshore don't really belong here. This site reviews offshore sportsbooks, not books in Vegas.

Dude what does Players talk have to do with betting offshore?

I think SBR is for all sports bettors. Its a forum for people with like interests to gather, and share ideas.

[face]

I bet hundred of dollars every week, i have no interest in becoming an sbr pro or getting free pizza or whatever

[DeluxeLiner]

I bet hundred of dollars every week, i have no interest in becoming an sbr pro or getting free pizza or whatever

It would be cool then if you could send over a couple points a day since a college kid like me could use a free meal every once in a while. Every little bit saved counts.

[HoulihansTX]

I also apologize to the Mods, and creators of SBR if my Thread sounded like a shot at them.

I had to make the thread title, and premise overly dramatic in order to create controversy. I knew It would gain the attention that I wanted.

Kind of like Fox News.

[Flexin]

SBR pro should be a requirement to even get points imo. You non-pros should be happy you get points.

Once again. Non pros make up a large part of the traffic to this site. Dropping the points system drops the traffic. I think some would become pro but a larger number wouldn't post as much.

What SBR has done was a great business move. They still let people collect and play with points but if your non pro you can only get a shirt or new book sign up cash. They want people to sign up with the advertisers.

With the 2 point a day transfer limit you can only get rid of a possible 2 out of 7 points a day. So if someone doesn't go to the casino or bet with them they are going to earn 5 a day at least. Thats 1825 in a year if they toss two a day away. At some point that will get high enough that someone will go pro. Let say someone lets 5 points sit for 3.5 years and then decided around that time that they want a PS3. Lets say that they are still worth the same as they are now. They go to a store they pay $300 plus tax and walk home with a PS3. Or they could load $200 on a book and and buy with points. If they don't lose the $200 then it cost them nothing at all.

So the traffic is needed. Believe that. And if they keep collecting points the traffic can stay up. It also will give people reasons to go pro at some point.

Some pros need to stop the "Go pro or go home" chants. I think that hurts the site more then it helps.

This is coming from a non pro that plans on going pro. Not because a pro says I shouldn't be here unless I'm a pro but because it technically doesn't cost anything and offers a lot. Not goes pro feels like I'm leaving money on the table.

James

[HoulihansTX]

Why do people care about the accumulation of points. B4 the points system SBR was a great resource, adn I dont think anything has changed.

[SBR_John]

We appreciate ALL contributors.

For those who have tracked it closely we really did not make changes to make more money. If you recall we started the Pro program to cut down on runaway fraud and abuse of the loyalty point system. Again in December we announced that the Feb 15th changes would again cut down on the abuse in the system.

In the perfect forum world there would be no Pro or non Pro. But the reality is that non Pro's are completely anonymous with extremely high incidents of fraud while Pro's are verified through funding of an account which is extremely hard to be fraudulent. <-point seems to get lost in these Pro vs non Pro discussions.

[falconticket]

I also apologize to the Mods, and creators of SBR if my Thread sounded like a shot at them.

I had to make the thread title, and premise overly dramatic in order to create controversy. I knew It would gain the attention that I wanted.

Kind of like Fox News.

Yeh uh more like Jerry springer

[yisman]

This is something that was not announced. It was just done without warning.

To all others. I live 5 minutes from three different sportsbooks. I you lived in Vegas you wouldnt deal with deposting, and withdrawing fund from an offshore account.

I absolutely would.

[excel]

Becoming a pro was one of the biggest decisions I've made in my life. The twelve points a day have changed my life.

[hubie69]

All of the changes were stickied at the top of PT for a LONG time. None of the changes should be a surprise to ANYONE.

[dbartinbwgc]

maybe have a 3 tier system to get rid for fraud.
A Rookie - some who has not been verified = no Points
A Veteran - for some who has been verified but not with a sportsbook
get normal points
SBR PRO - for someone with a sportsbook account
gets pro points

There are other ways to verify people.

[ehp6737]

maybe have a 3 tier system to get rid for fraud.
A Rookie - some who has not been verified = no Points
A Veteran - for some who has been verified but not with a sportsbook
get normal points
SBR PRO - for someone with a sportsbook account
gets pro points

There are other ways to verify people.

Like this idea

[EmpireMaker]

deposit the 200 don't take any bonuses bet one game you like and cash out then do whatever you want with the Pro status that you desire to do.

[Riv34]

meh

[EmpireMaker]

would a 5 point transfer 3 times a week for non-pros suit what you want to do ? This might be a good idea too for those non-pros that want to play in 10 points buyin contests.

[iifold]

plan on sending SBRJohn my newest guideline suggestions for NON SBR Pros..

New Rules for non-pros would include:

-No points
-No Poker
-No contests
-No posting in Players Talk or Service Play forums
-5 posts per day limit
-No SBR Bash Access

seems about fair...

[hubie69]

plan on sending SBRJohn my newest guideline suggestions for NON SBR Pros.. New Rules for non-pros would include: -No points -No Poker -No contests -No posting in Players Talk or Service Play forums -5 posts per day limit -No SBR Bash Access seems about fair...

Best of Luck with that.

[yisman]

Non-pros are not milking sbr for $100 or $1000 of items in the store as the only item available to non-pros is a t-shirt for 140 pts.

That is not true.

[HoulihansTX]

Yeh uh more like Jerry springer

Anybody figure out they are not the Father.

[frostno98]

Thank goodness I stop being a non-pro just two month's ago. Better than having to deal with an SBR Pro's talking like they're more superior than youI'll deposit $200 hundreds dollars just for that fact alone

On the real side, non-pros, you guys are missing out on them SBR trivia's twice a week.

[Alfie B]

That is not true.

Am I misunderstanding the catagory in the sbr store that is called non-pro merchandise and when clicked shows a t-shirt for 140 pts? And nothing else?

[yisman]

Am I misunderstanding the catagory in the sbr store that is called non-pro merchandise and when clicked shows a t-shirt for 140 pts? And nothing else?

Yes. That category displays the non-pro merchandise. That's not the only thing non-pros can buy from the store. They can also purchase some bonuses from books.

Additionally, I believe more merchandise will be made available than the t-shirt.

[swaindexter]

We appreciate ALL contributors. For those who have tracked it closely we really did not make changes to make more money. If you recall we started the Pro program to cut down on runaway fraud and abuse of the loyalty point system. Again in December we announced that the Feb 15th changes would again cut down on the abuse in the system. In the perfect forum world there would be no Pro or non Pro. But the reality is that non Pro's are completely anonymous with extremely high incidents of fraud while Pro's are verified through funding of an account which is extremely hard to be fraudulent. <-point seems to get lost in these Pro vs non Pro discussions.

If this is how you feel...Its your call, right BOSS.......Either cut the points system out or make it so you have to be a pro to stay on the site. Either way you will get want you want...less clients..............

[DeluxeLiner]

I bet hundred of dollars every week, i have no interest in becoming an sbr pro or getting free pizza or whatever

Thanks face!