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    Internet Gambling Law: Card Networks Must Now Detect Betting

    Internet Gambling Law: Card Networks Must Now Detect Betting

    May 31, 2010 by Staff
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    Beginning June 1, credit and debit card processors must have “reasonably designed policies and procedures” in place to detect if U.S. transactions are tied to bets placed with Internet gambling sites, according to a finalized rule by the Federal Reserve.

    But the intended crackdown on U.S. online wagering that was behind the 2006 law taking effect tomorrow is far from certain as its power to enforce such activity remains vague.

    Moreover, online poker parlors and other betting sites commonly modify card network coding requirements to avoid detection.

    The Fed itself states that the rule “does not specify when transactions must be limited or accounts closed, only that the institution should have procedures in place.”

    The Fed adds that the appropriate Federal financial institution regulator “has discretion to impose requirements in the course of supervision or within the context of an enforcement action.”

    The Fed’s final rule behind the Bush Administration’s Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, UIGEA, was postponed for six months, partly under pressure from some Democrats still pushing for legalized and regulated U.S. online gambling.

    There have been concerns from both parties over the UIGEA’s lack of a clear distinction between illegal Internet betting and state-sanctioned sites for horse and dog racing venues or lotteries.

    The Fed’s rule specifies that “participants in a designated payment system are exempt unless they have direct relationships with commercial customers” – some of which may be offshore affiliates of betting sites.

    In effect, much of the burden would fall on third-party payment processors and so-called “merchant acquirers” who establish merchant accounts on behalf of the top card networks, ****, **********, and their member banks. Most often, though, these processors are sponsored by financial institutions that are members of the card networks.

    The Fed’s rule states that an institution must conduct due diligence on “whether the customer poses a minimal risk of engaging in an Internet gambling business.”

    If the institution cannot make this determination, it should obtain a certification from the customer that it does not engage in an Internet gambling business.

    If the customer does engage in an Internet gambling business, the following is required:

    ■Either a copy of the commercial license from a State or tribal authority authorizing the customer to engage in the business or a reasoned legal opinion;
    ■A written commitment by the customer of any changes in its legal authority to engage in the Internet gambling business;
    ■A third-party certification that the customer’s systems for engaging in the Internet gambling business are reasonably designed to ensure that the business will remain within legal limits.

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    Just got this

    Fuk you ********



    June 1, 2010








    Dear Brock,
    Our records show that you may have used your ******** Visa® Prepaid Debit Card for internet gambling transactions in the past.

    Beginning May 31, 2010, ********** and **** will begin complying with the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act by blocking all online gambling transactions attempted by U.S. cardholders. This means you will not be able to use your ******** card or account for internet based gambling transactions. Internet gambling transactions will be automatically declined to comply with these federal regulations. ******** has no control over this change.

    Don’t forget there are many great ways to use your ******** card. You can pay bills online or over the phone, shop online and make everyday purchases anywhere **** debit cards or wherever Debit ********** is accepted. At ********, we make sure that you are informed and in control of your money.

    Thank you,

    Your ******** Team
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    There are numerous ways to fund...........cards have always been my last option.

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    Half the offshore books will go out of business. No one wants to be going to ** every two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Half the offshore books will go out of business. No one wants to be going to ** every two days.

    Half?


    C'mon dude

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    I agree pavy who wants to send money to akman sabanchi forel sammisilli in montevideo uruguay. Um gee that doesnt look suspicious, let alone you go back like once every two weeks with a different name.

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    I LIKE "Don’t forget there are many great ways to use your ******** card. You can pay bills online or over the phone, shop online and make everyday purchases anywhere **** debit cards or wherever Debit ********** is accepted."

    As if we would use that card for anything else.

    There's some coin to be made if someone/some group comes up with an alternate way to fund.


    Thanks for the info Brock.

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    I asked rebate wager and they take green dot moneypacks you can get anywhere, but there payouts are only two days a week which sucks

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    FED EX Checks are the only way to deposit large sums now...

    JJ. i want to set up a call with Wally at thegreek to discuss this. AKA you call with Nicky and Scotty at Betjam. Needs to happen ASAP.

    JJ, CALL ME

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    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Tears up ******** card.

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    Brock, what do you think about using ******** to send $$$ via **? this way we dont even have to leave the house to deposit. we can do it all from our home on westernunion.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetaPsi808 View Post
    Brock, what do you think about using ******** to send $$$ via **? this way we dont even have to leave the house to deposit. we can do it all from our home on westernunion.com
    what are the limits? Can you do it with a fake name? If you can do 3 dimes at once under a fake name, i'm ok with it. Otherwise its under a dime and that would require MULTIPLE transactions...

    All in all, looks like Fed Ex Cashiers checks to the books for anything over a dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyhata1 View Post
    I agree pavy who wants to send money to akman sabanchi forel sammisilli in montevideo uruguay. Um gee that doesnt look suspicious, let alone you go back like once every two weeks with a different name.
    Last time I got a check it was from some Jose from Nicaragua. I got weird looks at the counter. Like how can an american sharp dressed man is getting money cashed from a third world country. Like I was involved in some kind of money laundering or other illegal activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    FED EX Checks are the only way to deposit large sums now...

    JJ. i want to set up a call with Wally at thegreek to discuss this. AKA you call with Nicky and Scotty at Betjam. Needs to happen ASAP.

    JJ, CALL ME




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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    what are the limits? Can you do it with a fake name? If you can do 3 dimes at once under a fake name, i'm ok with it. Otherwise its under a dime and that would require MULTIPLE transactions...

    All in all, looks like Fed Ex Cashiers checks to the books for anything over a dime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Last time I got a check it was from some Jose from Nicaragua. I got weird looks at the counter. Like how can an american sharp dressed man is getting money cashed from a third world country. Like I was involved in some kind of money laundering or other illegal activities.
    for the people who keep using ** and ** sending and receiving from all those weird names....thats exactly how they will be treated...they might even be labeled as a terrorist

    its all over for me in the offshore world...I dont wish to be labeled a terrorist because I sent money offshore

    I dont want my name on the feds list after June 1st, 2010....and it wont be there I can promise that

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyhata1 View Post
    I agree pavy who wants to send money to akman sabanchi
    Weird thing is I know a guy who goes by that name

    Pavyracer
    Last time I got a check it was from some Jose from Nicaragua. I got weird looks at the counter. Like how can an american sharp dressed man is getting money cashed from a third world country. Like I was involved in some kind of money laundering or other illegal activities.
    The guy I collect from has stopped talking when I walk in the shop and gives free drinks and snacks because of this Nicaragua business. Gives a bad image
    Last edited by Karayilan9; 06-01-10 at 02:09 PM.

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    Paver are you?

    It is usually guys like you that are involved in money laundering.

    I never use ************

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Half the offshore books will go out of business. No one wants to be going to ** every two days.
    I agree with you pavy. Its just not worth the hassel or risk anymore, play out what I have offshore then use a local.

    later

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    Never realized the majority here were such BIG TIMERS


    Neat

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    Are these restrictions going to be lifted soon, I can't believe what some of you guys have to put up with.

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    why dont they want you to gamble? whats wrong with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Paver are you?

    It is usually guys like you that are involved in money laundering.

    I never use ************

    Been gambling offshore since pre-1997 and I may have used some type of card once or twice for a deposit ..............and on the recieving end, think I've only paid for a cashout once or twice ever.

    Meanwhile, we have hundreds of gamblers making numerous deposits with some type of "card" and stating that more times then not, they are forced to pay for cashouts.

    Mindboggling

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    I agree with you pavy. Its just not worth the hassel or risk anymore, play out what I have offshore then use a local.

    later
    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmaster B View Post
    well said

    No it was not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    No it was not!
    you have balls made of crystal....ANYONE willing to go against the Feds is ok in my book

    they might even let you post on SBR in one of their prisons...while you're doin a bid for terrorist money laundering

    viva la fishhead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmaster B View Post
    you have balls made of crystal....ANYONE willing to go against the Feds is ok in my book

    they might even let you post on SBR in one of their prisons...while you're doin a bid for terrorist money laundering

    viva la fishhead!
    IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SEND MONEY OFFSHORE!!!!!!!

    You think W.U and ** are not going to do international money transfers any longer?????





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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SEND MONEY OFFSHORE!!!!!!!

    You think W.U and ** are not going to do international money transfers any longer?????



    of course they are...everyone knows that

    I just dont wish to have any record of my Government name sending money out of the United States after June 1, 2010

    you can do whatever you feel like...you're untouchable...you have millions...or so you have stated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmaster B View Post
    of course they are...everyone knows that

    I just dont wish to have any record of my Government name sending money out of the United States after June 1, 2010

    you can do whatever you feel like...you're untouchable...you have millions...or so you have stated

    How many ACTUAL NON-GAMBLING related international money transfers do you believe are done in the U.S. on a daily basis between W.U. and M.G. ???????

    Care to take a stab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    How many ACTUAL NON-GAMBLING related international money transfers do you believe are done in the U.S. on a daily basis between W.U. and M.G. ???????

    Care to take a stab?
    probably ALOT

    but if the same person keeps sending to the same country over and over and over to 10,000 different names...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    fish, i want to move 5 dimes NOW to thegreek...how am i going to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishhead View Post
    How many ACTUAL NON-GAMBLING related international money transfers do you believe are done in the U.S. on a daily basis between W.U. and M.G. ??????? Care to take a stab?
    There's thousands of transfers between the US and Mexico and the Caribbean Islands everyday. Most people are sending money out of the Country to their families. If the government really wanted to find out where your money was going, they would. They'd rather take the easy approach and try to stop it to begin with or at least make it harder for people to gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    fish, i want to move 5 dimes NOW to thegreek...how am i going to do it?

    CASHIERS CHECK

    But why you would want to send it the GREEK for 20 cent baseball lines is beyond me..........hold off until August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmaster B View Post
    probably ALOT

    but if the same person keeps sending to the same country over and over and over to 10,000 different names...
    Most books are in different countries. Use several different books and you are fine.

    More importantly if you need to deposit into any 1 book more than 4 times per year than you should probably not be gambling

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    Gold-pay

    gold-pay

    gold-pay

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