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    Will Judge be a unanimous MVP?

    With runners in scoring position


    .371 avg - 1.302 OPS - 36 BBs and 25Ks


    With runners in scoring position and 2 outs


    .415 avg - 1.500 OPS - 18 bbs and 12 Ks



    I can't find his stats in close and late situations but I think I saw once he was hitting like .350 with a 1.300 OPS in 7th inning and after



    Crazy stats. He's basically a modern day, natural Barry Bonds

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    Otani might get a couple votes but should be close
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsNCharge99 View Post
    Otani might get a couple votes but should be close

    those voters are dumb. Ohtani's team is complete garbage

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    i agree with sammy. ohtani will get votes, especially if he reaches 40 homeruns. people have diff interpretations of most valuable.

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    judge will be mvp, agree with everyone, ohtani is going to get votes

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    Judge checks all the boxes.. Good guy with Great numbers, etc.

    So yes he wins. IMO
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    should he be unanimous? to me yes he should be. the angels not being good makes it very simple IMO.

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    Unanimous? Absolutely not what kinda pole are all you Yankees fan smoking CC said it best Ohtani is the best baseball player period end of discussion
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    I think op will unanimously win tiniest-lying-penis-on-earth-fakest-poster-in-history-vp
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    Yes even though what ohtani does is basically impossible

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    Judge has higher WAR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    Unanimous? Absolutely not what kinda pole are all you Yankees fan smoking CC said it best Ohtani is the best baseball player period end of discussion

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    Along with the Home run records, He's probably going to win the AL triple crown too. That has happened what? 4 times in the last 70 years?
    Last edited by Kermit; 09-21-22 at 04:50 PM.

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    Ohtani should be the MVP, team records should have no bearing whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    Judge has higher WAR this year
    Who cares heís a elite fukin pitcher and batter period nobody has ever been that good in this era
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    Ohtani is going to have 200+ strikeouts 35+ HR's and a sub 2.50 ERA he is going to get a good number of votes will he win no Judge has done enough to lock it up at this point but not unanimous imo.
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    Ohtani is unreal

    Technically, he should get the MVP every year

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    Ohtani should be the MVP, team records should have no bearing whatsoever.
    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Ohtani is unreal

    Technically, he should get the MVP every year
    It's hard to take a player for a team that is 20 games under .500 seriously though.

    The MVP vote should also have something to do with your team's success. 20 games under is not a success.

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    The award should go to the best player in league, regardless of how good the team is. As long as Ohtani can do both relatively well, he's the MVP every year and it's not close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsNCharge99 View Post
    Otani might get a couple votes but should be close
    Yeah, he will.
    Judge wins in a landslide, but not unanimously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    The award should go to the best player in league, regardless of how good the team is. As long as Ohtani can do both relatively well, he's the MVP every year and it's not close.
    Care to wager Judge wins the MVP?
    Name the stakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    The award should go to the best player in league, regardless of how good the team is. As long as Ohtani can do both relatively well, he's the MVP every year and it's not close.
    And this season, Judge is the best player in the league.
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    Has anybody ever won the triple crown with even 50 homeruns?
    If he wins it while hitting 65 homeruns, that's gotta be one of the greatest offensive seasons ever considering how hard it is to hit in the league nowadays


    the avg batting avg in MLB nowadays is .242 - Judge is hitting almost 75 points above avg. For context, Babe Ruth was hitting .360 at a time when the national league avg was .292. Judge is basically doing the equivalent of hitting .360ish in the old times

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    Judge season could never be duplicated it took that to beat Ohtani

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGrecu View Post
    Has anybody ever won the triple crown with even 50 homeruns?

    Come on man, you can research this easily.
    Big Bear used to ask me such questions, I'll tell you the same thing I told him...
    "You can look this shit up quicker than you can type and post the question"

    The answer to your query is YES.

    I do this shit for a living, so I don't mind, but come on dude, do your homework.

    Here.
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...e_crowns.shtml

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    Award should have nothing to do with what player has More Valuable Teammates.

    In an average lineup, Judge's hitting this year would be expected to be worth about 159 runs. Ohtani is only 102 while playing in a more hitter friendly ballpark.

    If Ohtani did not pitch and the Angels used league average pitchers in the 148 innings he has pitched, they would have been expected to give up about 24 more runs, which doesn't come close to overtaking Judge. Based on that Judge is clearly ahead. But if we use replacement level for Ohtani's pitching instead of average, it will start to get close as Ohtani is worth about 40 runs over replacement as a pitcher. Ohtani's uniqueness also has some value, as it gives them more flexibility with the roster.

    I would vote for Judge, can't fault anyone who would vote for Ohtani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommieGunshot View Post
    I would vote for Judge, can't fault anyone who would vote for Ohtani.
    I have two friends that work in MLB, one for the Houston Astros, he works in the front office (media)
    The other I contribute (a side kick if you will) on a podcast, I can tell you what and where to listen but that violates SBR rules (self promotion) I can say Buzzsprout hosts the podcast, that's pretty much it.
    Brandon W. he works for the Minnesota Twins, he's one of their regional writers.

    Me?
    I freelance, I have a personal blog launched.
    You can find that on wordpress.org that's pretty much all I can say here.
    I can say some of my freelance work can be found on rotowire, I'm not on the payroll there, I'm just a contributing freelancer.

    Brandon tells me, and he's on the inside looking in that the voting at this point is pretty much a 2/3 split.
    Two thirds Judge, one third Ohtani, that can change a little, but this isn't your daddy's 1960's Mickey and Maris MLB anymore where the only information you got was from the Sporting News on a weekly basis every Thursday, this is the 2020's digital era where a lot is influenced by all sorts of different social media platforms, where six CNN cameras are up your ass constantly and if you fart wrong one million subscribers know about it in a nanosecond.

    Just or unjust Judge is a media darling that can do no wrong, he says all the right things, does all the right things, and plays the game the right way, and that gets him votes too outside of the mind boggling numbers he's putting up.

    I watch News NBC NYC at 6pm every night.
    They were interviewing kids outside Yankee Stadium, several of them said (without prompting or a script) "He's my role model" another said "Aaron Judge is a role model for all children" and this guy looked to be no older than twelve years old. And all that goes a long way with the voters, they're all in the media the voters are and they cover MLB.

    I'd be shocked, astonished if Aaron Judge is caught up in any steroid scandal.
    He's built like Paul Bunyan, 6 ' 6" or so, amazing strength with baseball talent on loan from God.
    It boggles the mind how a man that big can hit a ball close to 500 feet with a 100 mph fastball coming at him with a reaction time of 4/5th of a second.
    He doesn't need steroids, and I'd lay 8:1 odds to anybody willing take the bet that he doesn't use them.

    Remember now, the operative word in MVP is 'valuable'.
    NCAA has a 'Most Outstanding Player" Award, there's a difference between 'outstanding' and 'valuable'
    Ask yourself now, "what is the value of Aaron Judge to the Yankees this season"?
    "Would the Yankees have won the AL East without Judge"?
    If you have answered the last question with a "No" then there you have it.

    Judge is the American League's MVP
    I'm at that age where old school meets new school.
    I place a premium on a lot of the sabermetric numbers, not all of them, but most (that's a different story for another day)
    Not only do the old school 'counting numbers' prove out that Judge is the AL MVP, so do the analytical metrics.
    Win shares, Wins Above Replacement (WAR) all the metrics.

    Judge is worth more than any replacement player in the American League.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/war/leaders

    Ohtani is worthy, he's more than a novelty two-way act.
    I respect everything that he has done, but after you add up what he's done as a hitter, and combine what he's done as a starting pitcher, that sum still doesn't total what Judge has done this season as an everyday outfielder.

    One final point, forget all the hysteria what Judge has done at the plate for a second, the man plays stellar defense with a shotgun for an arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Care to wager Judge wins the MVP?
    Name the stakes.
    I do think Judge will win but he shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    And this season, Judge is the best player in the league.
    Judge is the best hitter in the league and clearly a superstar; given Ohtani's ability to pitch and hit, he's almost like two superstars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    Judge is the best hitter in the league and clearly a superstar; given Ohtani's ability to pitch and hit, he's almost like two superstars.
    Almost.
    He's not an elite starter, he's a good starter, hardly a deGrom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    I do think Judge will win but he shouldn't.
    Some of the everyday writers that have a vote will vote Ohtani, but like I said, from listening to all the chatter, it's going to be about a 2/3 or 70/30 split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Remember now, the operative word in MVP is 'valuable'.
    NCAA has a 'Most Outstanding Player" Award, there's a difference between 'outstanding' and 'valuable'
    Ask yourself now, "what is the value of Aaron Judge to the Yankees this season"?
    You went ahead and answered that, a little less than 10 wins above replacement, which is about eight wins above average. Which also answers the next question:

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    "Would the Yankees have won the AL East without Judge"?
    If you have answered the last question with a "No" then there you have it.
    If the Yankees win the division by more than eight games, the answer is that they could have won it without Judge. Which makes this the dumbest criteria possible. We have people saying Ohtani canít win it because his teammates werenít good enough; and we have people saying Judge should win it because his teammates arenít too good.

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    Add to that the fact that WAR is a garbage stat invented by America's number 1 armchair fool, Bill James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    Add to that the fact that WAR is a garbage stat invented by America's number 1 armchair fool, Bill James.
    I disagree, but that's what makes horse racing.
    Not for nothing, your statement is ignorant.
    (nothing personal)

    What is wrong with you, it was James theories that converted Keith Foulke to a closer for the Red Sox.
    I could name many more instances where James has assisted in championships but I need to move on.
    He was one of not many John Henry's right hand men.
    Bill James was instrumental in all four Red Sox WS.

    Whats next?
    You're going to tell me Jeff Sagarin in an idiot?
    Sagarin is a paid consultant by over a dozen pro teams for his analytics.

    Counting numbers only go so far (HR, RBI, Runs scored)
    WAR (it's called VORP now) is a very good measuring stick for comparing the value of a player.
    The formula is fair, not biased.
    Not for nothing WAR or VORP if you will is used to measure position to position, for instance 2B vs. the other 2B's, not 2B's vs. catchers for example.

    Carry on, good luck with your Redskins, I have to go to lunch now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Ohtani is unreal

    Technically, he should get the MVP every year
    the award loses its relevance if the same person wins it every year..... just ask the year after year repeat winner of "World's Tiniest Penis Award"......





    Technically, the poor guy should get the WTPA every year, too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommieGunshot View Post
    You went ahead and answered that, a little less than 10 wins above replacement, which is about eight wins above average. Which also answers the next question:



    If the Yankees win the division by more than eight games, the answer is that they could have won it without Judge. Which makes this the dumbest criteria possible. We have people saying Ohtani can’t win it because his teammates weren’t good enough; and we have people saying Judge should win it because his teammates aren’t too good.
    I'm not that guy.
    I'm the guy who says Judge was/is more valuable to the Yankees as Ohtani was to the Angels.
    That's all I am saying, they are both valuable, Judge being more valuable. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Been a pleasure chatting, I like astute banter, thanks bud.
    I have to go for now.

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