[JIBBBY]

Young QB's need to develop. Even Hall of Famers like Troy Aikman and so many others had horrible suspect rookie years when first starting. Gotta throw them into the lion's den if they are ever to make it big time down the road.

[MinnesotaFats]

except he has shown his arm strength and has one of the most catchable balls in the NFL. He's just a rookie...

I've not seen that arm strength and I'd question the accuracy too

Here's a list of accuracy in 20 yard plus throws


Interesting that Fitzy is on there, despite neither being in top 15 of 20 plus yard attempts. Thou I suspect Fitzy would crack that list if full time starting.

Tua is clearly limited in his ability and compromised in his playbook due to something that's limiting their ability to get the ball down field

[BigdaddyQH]

LOL c'mon Cousins another 300 yards, 3 tds last night. Dude is a STUD give it up.

Shanahan can't keep his pant on in SF he wants my boy SO BAD but Minny will be smart & extend Kirk to 2027

What you forget is that all of that came in garbage time, something that the worthless piece of crap Minnesota Viking team had a lot of this season. Another loss at Detroit next week and Minnesota finishes LAST in the NFC North. Minny is 6-9 ATS and 4-7 ATS against Conference foes, and this dumb SOB is trying to tell us how great his QB is. You have to be the biggest homer and dumbest SOB in here. Your season has been over for quite a while now. Get the hell out of here loser.

[MinnesotaFats]

What you forget is that all of that came in garbage time, something that the worthless piece of crap Minnesota Viking team had a lot of this season. Another loss at Detroit next week and Minnesota finishes LAST in the NFC North. Minny is 6-9 ATS and 4-7 ATS against Conference foes, and this dumb SOB is trying to tell us how great his QB is. You have to be the biggest homer and dumbest SOB in here. Your season has been over for quite a while now. Get the hell out of here loser.

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OK did that 107 rating/ 30tds and 3500 yards come in garbage time the last two years when he was 19- 11 as Vikings starter? Or in garbage time when he went into New Orleans last year and beat Drew and the Saints?

I'm kind of thinking you've never even played football- you clearly don't know the game, or understand football metrics.

You sound like the fat kid who gets stuck in right field during summer baseball as a kid.

Hey BigDaddy...how are the dandelions out there?

[sweethook]

if they would just pay these kids more money . the greatness would come out

[lonegambler23]

tua lmao hes a 5 yd slant guy

[jtoler]

just think if he was turning the ball over geez the detractors would really be loading up, but 10 tds against only 2 ints and those 2 ints only came in the last 2 games before yesterday. threw for 316 against the chiefs, 296 against the bengals, 248 against the cards. Im sure tua's playbook is condensed a bit for shorter easier routes so he can get the ball out quicker, he's young that should be expected the more he has to think at this stage the more mistakes he's gonna make. and what about the o-line I havent watched much but I dont think he has a great deal of time back there normally when I have watched. also 65% completions on the yr. give it time

[pavyracer]

You play to win the game. Would you rather score 1 TD and win the game or score 3 TD and lose the game like Kirk Cousins does all the time?

[homie1975]

if they would just pay these kids more money . the greatness would come out

What are you, a socialist? The market dictates who makes what.

[homie1975]

His yards per attempt is 30th in the league and his coach benched him twice because he doesn’t think he can throw the ball down the field to come back in games. The coach is telling you what he thinks of Tua, you just aren’t listening.

Despite Ryan Fitzpatrick's miracle heave that led the Miami Dolphins to a 26-25 win over the Las Vegas Raiders Saturday night, coach Brian Flores once again made it clear Sunday that Tua Tagovailoa remains his starting quarterback.
Flores expressed adamant disagreement with those outside the team building who believe starting the veteran gives the Dolphins the best chances to win.

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"Tua has brought us a spark in a lot of other games. I think people will just forget that because we just remember the last thing," Flores said. "Speculation on whatever people want to speculate about as far as what we should or shouldn't do based on last night, I wouldn't do that and forget the body of work over the course of the season to include the last however many games Tua has been starting [eight]. I think he's played fairly well.
"People may disagree, but I think we would have to agree to disagree in that instance. That's my take on that. It's not based off one game or one quarter -- there's a lot of practices that people don't see, walk-throughs that no one sees. But everyone wants to make a judgment and try to make a decision for us on what we should do without all that information."
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Flores' defense of Tagovailoa comes one day after he benched the rookie quarterback in the fourth quarter of Saturday's comeback win. He compared Fitzpatrick's role as a ninth-inning reliever coming in to close a game, and he didn't rule out calling his number again if the Dolphins are in a similar scenario. By the same token, Flores didn't hesitate in naming Tagovailoa the starter next Sunday vs. Buffalo Bills in a very important "win and you're in" game for the playoff hopeful Dolphins.
It's rare for a modern NFL team to have a two-quarterback system, but it seems the 10-5 Dolphins are comfortable with some version of it as they attempt to make the playoffs for the first time since 2016. It's the second time Flores made the move to bench Tagovailoa in the fourth quarter of a close game (Week 11 at Denver), and both times he went back to Tagovailoa as the starter.
Tagovailoa has been very efficient with a better touchdown-to-interception ratio (10-to-2 compared to 13-to-8 for Fitzpatrick) of the two quarterbacks, but Fitzpatrick has provided more downfield plays (7.8 yards per attempt and 232.3 passing yards per game compared to Tagovailoa (6.3 yards/attempt and 161.4 passing yards per game) due to his willingness to take chances on 50-50 balls.
With questions about his QB situation after a big win, Flores made it clear that winning is the only thing that matters to him, regardless of what people want to call their unusual rotation.



"I don't want to put any labels on it. The label is we are going to do what we've got to do to win. I owe that to the Dolphins' fans, to the players in that locker room, to the people in the organization, that's what we're always going to do," Flores said. "So two-person, three-person QB, five-person QB, whatever we need to do to win, that's what we're going to do to win."
After the game, Fitzpatrick and Tagovailoa both said they believe in Flores to make the best decision for the team, while strongly supporting the other when they aren't playing. There hasn't been any hints of Dolphins locker room issues throughout the QB switches this season, showing Flores has a good pulse of his team, and he made clear that he believes in Tagovailoa now and going forward.
"Tua has played well. He's made a lot of improvement over the course of the season. He's developing," Flores said. "I don't make judgments and decisions based on one instance. There's a lot that goes into the decisions we make -- conversations and not just one game or one quarter. Tua has done a lot of good things for this team. He knows that. The team knows that."

[MinnesotaFats]

I wonder if- and I eluded to it pre draft- if having a lefty QB is a detriment to a team because you have to flip the playbook and protect from the weak side (RT suddenly important).

Teams in the nfl just aren't built this way and I'm almost positive this is what's holding back the offense. Unfortunately, if they keep going back to the righty Fitzy to win games, it means they'll never structure a proper offense.

[champlain]

Despite Ryan Fitzpatrick's miracle heave that led the Miami Dolphins to a 26-25 win over the Las Vegas Raiders Saturday night, coach Brian Flores once again made it clear Sunday that Tua Tagovailoa remains his starting quarterback.
Flores expressed adamant disagreement with those outside the team building who believe starting the veteran gives the Dolphins the best chances to win.

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"Tua has brought us a spark in a lot of other games. I think people will just forget that because we just remember the last thing," Flores said. "Speculation on whatever people want to speculate about as far as what we should or shouldn't do based on last night, I wouldn't do that and forget the body of work over the course of the season to include the last however many games Tua has been starting [eight]. I think he's played fairly well.
"People may disagree, but I think we would have to agree to disagree in that instance. That's my take on that. It's not based off one game or one quarter -- there's a lot of practices that people don't see, walk-throughs that no one sees. But everyone wants to make a judgment and try to make a decision for us on what we should do without all that information."
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• Fitzpatrick replaces Tua in Dolphins' miracle win
  
  

Flores' defense of Tagovailoa comes one day after he benched the rookie quarterback in the fourth quarter of Saturday's comeback win. He compared Fitzpatrick's role as a ninth-inning reliever coming in to close a game, and he didn't rule out calling his number again if the Dolphins are in a similar scenario. By the same token, Flores didn't hesitate in naming Tagovailoa the starter next Sunday vs. Buffalo Bills in a very important "win and you're in" game for the playoff hopeful Dolphins.
It's rare for a modern NFL team to have a two-quarterback system, but it seems the 10-5 Dolphins are comfortable with some version of it as they attempt to make the playoffs for the first time since 2016. It's the second time Flores made the move to bench Tagovailoa in the fourth quarter of a close game (Week 11 at Denver), and both times he went back to Tagovailoa as the starter.
Tagovailoa has been very efficient with a better touchdown-to-interception ratio (10-to-2 compared to 13-to-8 for Fitzpatrick) of the two quarterbacks, but Fitzpatrick has provided more downfield plays (7.8 yards per attempt and 232.3 passing yards per game compared to Tagovailoa (6.3 yards/attempt and 161.4 passing yards per game) due to his willingness to take chances on 50-50 balls.
With questions about his QB situation after a big win, Flores made it clear that winning is the only thing that matters to him, regardless of what people want to call their unusual rotation.



"I don't want to put any labels on it. The label is we are going to do what we've got to do to win. I owe that to the Dolphins' fans, to the players in that locker room, to the people in the organization, that's what we're always going to do," Flores said. "So two-person, three-person QB, five-person QB, whatever we need to do to win, that's what we're going to do to win."
After the game, Fitzpatrick and Tagovailoa both said they believe in Flores to make the best decision for the team, while strongly supporting the other when they aren't playing. There hasn't been any hints of Dolphins locker room issues throughout the QB switches this season, showing Flores has a good pulse of his team, and he made clear that he believes in Tagovailoa now and going forward.
"Tua has played well. He's made a lot of improvement over the course of the season. He's developing," Flores said. "I don't make judgments and decisions based on one instance. There's a lot that goes into the decisions we make -- conversations and not just one game or one quarter. Tua has done a lot of good things for this team. He knows that. The team knows that."

U think quoting this coach supports your belief that Tua is good when he is the one who benched your quarterback twice in less than 2 months.

[jtoler]

I wonder if- and I eluded to it pre draft- if having a lefty QB is a detriment to a team because you have to flip the playbook and protect from the weak side (RT suddenly important).

Teams in the nfl just aren't built this way and I'm almost positive this is what's holding back the offense. Unfortunately, if they keep going back to the righty Fitzy to win games, it means they'll never structure a proper offense.

nope and nfl has always been stubborn and dumb with their ideals. seemed to work out fine for steve young seemed to work out fine for tua and bama for 3 yrs. I saw a vid with young a while ago talking about the silliness of the whole left handed thing should check it out on youtube

[homie1975]

I'm a charger fan and was extremely happy herbert fell to them in the draft last april. I always felt that Tua benefitted last year from one of the greatest college WR corps in recent memory and Joe burrow also had a tremendous WR corp at LSU.

However, Tua seemed to have that intangible "it factor" where his teammates love him and he finds ways to win (tebow type).

And here we are either dolphins and chargers having similar rosters which are not exactly stacked but are at least average, yet Tua's team has 10 wins and Herbert's just 6 (hopefully they win today) after today.

[beefcake]

The texans lost again today which means the phins may make the playoffs.Win a game or 2 and have a top 5 pick.We better pick a stud RB OR WR with this if we intend to keep Tua In there.I really think Parker is the big glue to tuas game,what deep threat we have.And hes coming back next week I hope.Early weather looks decent (for buffalo in jan)

[HAPPY BOY]

The texans lost again today which means the phins may make the playoffs.Win a game or 2 and have a top 5 pick.We better pick a stud RB OR WR with this if we intend to keep Tua In there.I really think Parker is the big glue to tuas game,what deep threat we have.And hes coming back next week I hope.Early weather looks decent (for buffalo in jan)

[homie1975]

The dude is 9 games into his PRO career. Let's check back in Nov 2022 and see how he looks almost three full seasons in:

SUMMARY

2020
Career

G

9
9

AV

-


QBrec

6-2-0
6-2-0

Cmp%

65.1
65.1

Yds

1453
1453

Y/A

6.3
6.3

TD

10
10

Int

2
2

FantPt

120.2
120.2

[JAKEPEAVY21]

The dude is 9 games into his PRO career. Let's check back in Nov 2022 and see how he looks almost three full seasons in:

SUMMARY

2020
Career

G

9
9

AV

-


QBrec

6-2-0
6-2-0

Cmp%

65.1
65.1

Yds

1453
1453

Y/A

6.3
6.3

TD

10
10

Int

2
2

FantPt

120.2
120.2

Guy does nothing but dink and dunk and is either being told not to throw downfield or is scared to do so.

6.3 yards/attempt is not going to cut it in the NFL.

[konck]

He's better than Darnold.

What does that get you lol

[homie1975]

Guy does nothing but dink and dunk and is either being told not to throw downfield or is scared to do so.

6.3 yards/attempt is not going to cut it in the NFL.

Jake I agree but it's working at the moment. 75% win pct in his first 8 starts.

[jtoler]

1st yr why do people react like this as if its the 5th yr. cousins 2nd yr 3 starts, 0-3 and 5.5 yds/attempt and he's been a 2 time pro bowler now.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

1st yr why do people react like this as if its the 5th yr. cousins 2nd yr 3 starts, 0-3 and 5.5 yds/attempt and he's been a 2 time pro bowler now.

It's Herbert's first year and he is lighting it up. I wonder if the Dolphins wish they drafted him?

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Jake I agree but it's working at the moment. 75% win pct in his first 8 starts.

The wins have little to do with him and mostly to do with the defense.

Tua is not passing the eye test at all.

I've also noticed he does not like to throw to the sidelines, most of his throws are to the middle of the field.

[jtoler]

It's Herbert's first year and he is lighting it up. I wonder if the Dolphins wish they drafted him?

lighting it up and losing I dont think there are any chargers fans who wouldnt trade being in the playoffs right now. also you have to take in account fins scoring defense is better than chargers they give up about a full 10 pts less so tua isnt being asked to go out and win games for them. playbook condensed. going into the game chargers know they need 28 pts on avg because they give up 27 a game

[JAKEPEAVY21]

lighting it up and losing I dont think there are any chargers fans who wouldnt trade being in the playoffs right now. also you have to take in account fins scoring defense is better than chargers they give up about a full 10 pts less so tua isnt being asked to go out and win games for them. playbook condensed. going into the game chargers know they need 28 pts on avg because they give up 27 a game

Call me crazy but I'd rather have an elite young Qb than make the playoffs with a young Qb that looks overmatched.

[MinnesotaFats]

The wins have little to do with him and mostly to do with the defense.

Tua is not passing the eye test at all.

I've also noticed he does not like to throw to the sidelines, most of his throws are to the middle of the field.

Pretty spot on. I mean- you can tell when a QB "has it" and doesn't "have it"

The kid doesn't have it, so far anyways. But his arm strength and throwing mechanics are terrible, his reads are 1 and then check down. His YPA is horseshit and the defense has won those extremely difficult games hes had versus the Bengals and Chargers and Jets and New England...are the Cheifs the only team he's played against that's going to the playoffs?

I get you can only play who's in front of you, but he's been benched in half his starts, played terrible in the other half except for the Arz game he made some plays....

I'm thinking Buffalo is going to destroy his confidence this week and he probably gets benched again.

[jtoler]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have an elite young Qb than make the playoffs with a young Qb that looks overmatched.

time is the measure of all things. this board overreacts to literally everything and contradicts itself on literally everything. we saw what tua was capable of in college he's considered the most accurate qb in college history by stats so to act like he's garbage all of a sudden is ridiculous. sure its college which is why I say give it more time.

[jtoler]

Pretty spot on. I mean- you can tell when a QB "has it" and doesn't "have it"

The kid doesn't have it, so far anyways. But his arm strength and throwing mechanics are terrible, his reads are 1 and then check down. His YPA is horseshit and the defense has won those extremely difficult games hes had versus the Bengals and Chargers and Jets and New England...are the Cheifs the only team he's played against that's going to the playoffs?

I get you can only play who's in front of you, but he's been benched in half his starts, played terrible in the other half except for the Arz game he made some plays....

I'm thinking Buffalo is going to destroy his confidence this week and he probably gets benched again.

by your standards u had to think in cousins first 2 years he was the worst qb ever

[champlain]

1st yr why do people react like this as if its the 5th yr. cousins 2nd yr 3 starts, 0-3 and 5.5 yds/attempt and he's been a 2 time pro bowler now.

You can point to Cousins. I can point to Mariota, Haskins, Trubisky, Winston, Rosen, Manziel. Guys who were not good and will never be good. Waiting is a two way sword. He can become good or he can be bad and you wasted a premier defense. Clearly, the dolphins don’t know because if they thought he’s the better quarterback it makes no sense to bench him yet he remains the starter. That tells me they need to evaluate him now
because they have Houston’ first pick and they may go take a quarterback.

[hehfest]

Could any of this be Alabama players are overrated? Best players around them every single year. Might be hard to judge who is really good? Let's face it. Bama has/had the best O-line in college football and he had plenty of time back there to 3 seconds-wr1, 3 more seconds-wr2 open? 3 more seconds-wr3 open, 3 more seconds te open?

If none of them were open he could take off and run for 50 yard td.

Now, in the pros...well with some d coordinators playing zone and rushing 3.....doesn't matter. Less time to make decisions, and not as easy to run for a 50 yard td now. For the most part, the competition is the difference. He doesn't have the time like at Alabama. He's playing against the best athletes in the world every week. Not Vanderbilt walk-ons!

This doesn't mean he doesn't have what it will take. It means this is a culture shock for him.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Pretty spot on. I mean- you can tell when a QB "has it" and doesn't "have it"

The kid doesn't have it, so far anyways. But his arm strength and throwing mechanics are terrible, his reads are 1 and then check down. His YPA is horseshit and the defense has won those extremely difficult games hes had versus the Bengals and Chargers and Jets and New England...are the Cheifs the only team he's played against that's going to the playoffs?

I get you can only play who's in front of you, but he's been benched in half his starts, played terrible in the other half except for the Arz game he made some plays....

I'm thinking Buffalo is going to destroy his confidence this week and he probably gets benched again.

time is the measure of all things. this board overreacts to literally everything and contradicts itself on literally everything. we saw what tua was capable of in college he's considered the most accurate qb in college history by stats so to act like he's garbage all of a sudden is ridiculous. sure its college which is why I say give it more time.

I will say that Tua did go deep a fair amount at Alabama. Is his injury from alabama hindering him at all? Is the coaching staff holding him back? I haven't written him off yet but don't like what I'm seeing. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and let things play out. I actually like the kid and am rooting for him. I also like this young Dolphins team and their great coaching staff.

[mtneer1212]

He's better than Darnold.

That is complete blasphemy. if you want to say Tua has a higher ceiling, I won't agree, but it remains to be seen; but under no circumstances is he better than Darnold on any level.

[mtneer1212]

I would even argue that Jalen Hurts is better than Tua.

[jtoler]

I will say that Tua did go deep a fair amount at Alabama. Is his injury from alabama hindering him at all? Is the coaching staff holding him back? I haven't written him off yet but don't like what I'm seeing. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and let things play out. I actually like the kid and am rooting for him. I also like this young Dolphins team and their great coaching staff.

I have no idea about concerns about injury just think because they only give up 17 pts a game they can afford to play it safe on offense and let tua game manage with underneath stuff if the defense was poor they couldnt afford to do that and would have to go down field more and take chances, but if the defense was poor they probably would have never made the switch in the first place and would have kept fitz as the starter.

[jtoler]

Could any of this be Alabama players are overrated? Best players around them every single year. Might be hard to judge who is really good? Let's face it. Bama has/had the best O-line in college football and he had plenty of time back there to 3 seconds-wr1, 3 more seconds-wr2 open? 3 more seconds-wr3 open, 3 more seconds te open?

If none of them were open he could take off and run for 50 yard td.

Now, in the pros...well with some d coordinators playing zone and rushing 3.....doesn't matter. Less time to make decisions, and not as easy to run for a 50 yard td now. For the most part, the competition is the difference. He doesn't have the time like at Alabama. He's playing against the best athletes in the world every week. Not Vanderbilt walk-ons!

This doesn't mean he doesn't have what it will take. It means this is a culture shock for him.

I dont think they are overrated they are super talented I think its more of because they are so good they arnt tested as much in college. only a couple teams each year provide that test clemson and osu and against those teams is where u see them struggle. so when they get to the pros and everyone is elite level they have to play catch up because well its the pros for one but they just arnt used to not being the best on the field each week