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    Ibet makes some logical points that are not incorrect. However, comparing players in a vacuum is moot and for the daytime talk show hosts.

    From what we see and what we surmise, players are really only as good as the results indicate. Klay is far more successful than Beal given how he's used and what is asked of him in the scheme and system.

    Does that make him better? To a degree yes and to an extent no. Beal has shown that he can do more in terms of versatility given the depletion of the wizards roster. Would Klay have been able to perform an all round game like Beal if he was asked earlier in his career? We will never know the answer to that question regardless of personal beliefs bc we never got to see it tested.

    I am firm believer in a player's worth at the end of the day given what he does, what he's asked to do and how successful the team is as a result. Chauncey billups his final years in Detroit and his stellar season in Denver is a good example. He was in my view a top 5 mvp candidate and hands down a top 2 point guard those years. Were there better point guards in terms of vision, passing, shooting, driving, scoring, etc.? Absolutely there were, maybe more than half a dozen but he did what was asked of him and more in terms of what the team needed and winning when it mattered more than stats.

    Based on that argument, Klay will always be perceived as the superior player to Beal and many that play similar styles of basketball bc of his success and domination at what he does well while winning.

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    However, comparing players in a vacuum is moot and for the daytime talk show hosts.

    Uh, no, player evaluation is actually quite important in being a successful basketball bettor.

    Basketball is a team game, so to say a player is superior based on team success is reductive. I've heard a similar argument about Dray Green being better than B.Griffin in the past, because of his team's success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    However, comparing players in a vacuum is moot and for the daytime talk show hosts.

    Uh, no, player evaluation is actually quite important in being a successful basketball bettor.

    Basketball is a team game, so to say a player is superior based on team success is reductive. I've heard a similar argument about Dray Green being better than B.Griffin in the past, because of his team's success.
    Dray Green is better than Griffin regardless of what team they play on.

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    It's a common mistake dopey GMs make all the time. It's why several are salivating at this very moment of picking up the great Alfonso McKinnie off waivers, because he's a "champion".

    You see it when teams draft guys too. They'll pass on guys like Lillard & McCollum in favour of guys that have enjoyed team success.

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    Good stuff in thread

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    Draymond green is easily better than Blake Griffin

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    Griffin has bad knees now, so it's difficult to compare him with anyone, but if you swapped him with Green back when the Warriors were winning championships they'd still have been winning championships, while Paul/ Redick/ Green/ DJ would be losing. Worse defensively, better offensively, but about the same/ maybe better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Draymond green is easily better than Blake Griffin
    Affirmative. Blake all show, no go. Draymond is a stone cold killer. A bit slower now, but for a stretch, he a defensive beast.

    We really don`t know how good Beal could have been in the GSW system with all the support. We do know Klay thrived and was integral to those chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    Griffin has bad knees now, so it's difficult to compare him with anyone, but if you swapped him with Green back when the Warriors were winning championships they'd still have been winning championships, while Paul/ Redick/ Green/ DJ would be losing. Worse defensively, better offensively, but about the same/ maybe better.
    Nah. Don`t buy it. Basketball IQ. Griff is on the short bus. Never thought he was anyone I would want on my team making the $$$ he was making.

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    So how does Draymond look now ...now that his team needs scoring and he's unable to hit a shot from anywhere on the floor. Still a winner? Looks like Alfaruq Aminu

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    Griffin still a top player. Just look at last year how the Pistons were without him. Night and day

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    So how does Draymond look now ...now that his team needs scoring and he's unable to hit a shot from anywhere on the floor. Still a winner? Looks like Alfaruq Aminu
    hoping Clips win by 40

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    What dummies giving these guys all that moneY

    Guys in Europe better than him and team players for a 3rd of price

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