[ikid2groove415]

hasn't worked for them yet if you believe winning is the most important thing. being average at least keeps most fans entertained and spending. far more important to teams than winning a championship. how does that benefit a fan. 5 minutes of euphoria, a dumbass parade and then they forget about it.

Embarrassing-

[jtoler]

it is a business guys, we were deluded as kids caught up in all the ring stuff. these owners are so wealthy buying and owning a team is a hobby for them, a thing on the side.

[ikid2groove415]

it is a business guys, we were deluded as kids caught up in all the ring stuff. these owners are so wealthy buying and owning a team is a hobby for them, a thing on the side.

Sad all nba FANS giving up because of golden state? Championships don’t matter now ...

[unusialsusp5]

Sad all nba FANS giving up because of golden state? Championships don’t matter now ...

you really fall the that winning stuff. like to know which team you support and how deflated you get when they don't win it all.

[Outsider626]

Great move by Cavs. Teams with poor markets cannot go into rebuild because they will lose their small fan base. Nobody here understands that obliviously.

[jjgold]

without Lebron

Love's stats

28 points per game
15 rebounds

WE ARE ALL OWNED NOW

[7deuceoff$uit]

They might finally beat GS again this year.

[ikid2groove415]

Love and Sam Bradford are very similar - Never done anything in there careers- And still getting over paid !!!

[Hman]

without Lebron

Love's stats

28 points per game
15 rebounds

WE ARE ALL OWNED NOW

Could be

His numbers were close to that before LeBron.

Can you imagine the pressure playing with him every night?

Whatever the reasons may be, its obvious many players dont want to play by LJ's side.

[ikid2groove415]

Could be

His numbers were close to that before LeBron.

Can you imagine the pressure playing with him every night?

Whatever the reasons may be, its obvious many players dont want to play by LJ's side.

Please stop

[Hman]

Sad all nba FANS giving up because of golden state? Championships don’t matter now ...

Championships do matter.

But if you understand the NBA, and basketball in general, you comprehend the fact that its different than other sports.

In basketball a superstar like Lebron, Kobe, MJ make FAR more of a difference than SuperStars in other sports.

In those other sports, in most cases, your team around you still has to operate as just that, a team, to be successful.

While in the game of basketball, 1-2 guys can carry an entire team.

You simply get out of the way & let him do his thing.

After you take that into account, and also factor in that there's less than a handful of these types of guys in the NBA, then you understand the fact that only the teams that hold those types of players have a true shot at winning it all.

So....if you DONT have one of those players & know you're not going to land one of them anytime soon, you dont just allow your other good players to walk.

In football, a good coach can take average players & make the team successful at times.

In basketball, it comes down to talent, period.

If you dont have that talent, especially one of those top 3-4 guys, you aren't winning a championship.

Very simple.

[ikid2groove415]

[QUOTE=Hman;27937195]Championships do matter.

But if you understand the NBA, and basketball in general, you comprehend the fact that its different than other sports.

In basketball a superstar like Lebron, Kobe, MJ make FAR more of a difference than SuperStars in other sports.

In those other sports, in most cases, your team around you still has to operate as just that, a team, to be successful.

While in the game of basketball, 1-2 guys can carry an entire team.

You simply get out of the way & let him do his thing.

After you take that into account, and also factor in that there's less than a handful of these types of guys in the NBA, then you understand the fact that only the teams that hold those types of players have a true shot at winning it all.

So....if you DONT have one of those players & know you're not going to land one of them anytime soon, you dont just allow your other good players to walk.

In football, a good coach can take average players & make the team successful at times.

In basketball, it comes down to talent, period.

If you dont have that talent, especially one of those top 3-4 guys, you aren't winning a championship.

Very simple.[/QUOTE
Would prefer going the Sixers route - 2-4 years isn’t that long-

[DroopyDog]

Every one thinks tanking is a sure fire way to success. Philly was an anomaly. When you go into full blown rebuild, there is no guarantee of ever getting out of it. Look at teams that blew it up and have never recovered. Sacramento blew it up 11 years ago and are still putrid. Orlando and Phoenix have spent nearly a decade trying to get back above water. The Bulls have done nothing since tearing that team down....Even the Lakers havent been remotely good since they blew it up during Kobe's last 2 years.

Add in the new tweak to the draft rules, tanking is no guaranteed road to recovery.

[Hman]

Every one thinks tanking is a sure fire way to success. Philly was an anomaly. When you go into full blown rebuild, there is no guarantee of ever getting out of it. Look at teams that blew it up and have never recovered. Sacramento blew it up 11 years ago and are still putrid. Orlando and Phoenix have spent nearly a decade trying to get back above water. The Bulls have done nothing since tearing that team down....Even the Lakers havent been remotely good since they blew it up during Kobe's last 2 years.

Add in the new tweak to the draft rules, tanking is no guaranteed road to recovery.

Good post

The only time 'Tanking' or Building through the draft works is if you get lucky enough to do it the 1 draft every 10-20 years that all-time great comes along.

And even then, you're not assured the #1 pick with the lottery.

It worked for the Spurs the year they got Duncan.

And it's said the Cavs put a terrible team on the floor purposely when they got LeBron.

But those types of players rarely come along & you don't need to win the 1 year lottery to land a player like that.

You have to be lucky enough to hit the 15 year lottery right on the head.

[ikid2groove415]

Every one thinks tanking is a sure fire way to success. Philly was an anomaly. When you go into full blown rebuild, there is no guarantee of ever getting out of it. Look at teams that blew it up and have never recovered. Sacramento blew it up 11 years ago and are still putrid. Orlando and Phoenix have spent nearly a decade trying to get back above water. The Bulls have done nothing since tearing that team down....Even the Lakers havent been remotely good since they blew it up during Kobe's last 2 years.

Add in the new tweak to the draft rules, tanking is no guaranteed road to recovery.

Have you seen guys Sacramento pass up ?

[ikid2groove415]

Good post

The only time 'Tanking' or Building through the draft works is if you get lucky enough to do it the 1 draft every 10-20 years that all-time great comes along.

And even then, you're not assured the #1 pick with the lottery.

It worked for the Spurs the year they got Duncan.

And it's said the Cavs put a terrible team on the floor purposely when they got LeBron.

But those types of players rarely come along & you don't need to win the 1 year lottery to land a player like that.

You have to be lucky enough to hit the 15 year lottery right on the head.

GSW Draft - Curry #7 Thompson #11 Green 2nd round - Add Durant and you got a dynasty

[DeathAdder]

You think Cleveland's attracting top tier free agents? If you say "yes" then I have a bridge to sell you. Even Lebron the G.O.A.T couldn't get top F.A to sign in Cleveland. Ohio is a dump. Player's want to play in big cities, hot markets and where the weather is nice 24/7.

Kevin Love is a great re-signing for the now hapless Cavaliers. He brings a superstar name to a team that is now teetering on bottom 3 in the league. Casual women love Kevin (no pun intended). He's a GQ model and can now play his A game similar to when he was beasting with the T-Wolves.

Cavs are going to be irrelevant, but they had to do something. Koby is a fantastic GM and you can't blame him for James walking. Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in Cleveland. City is trash!

[ikid2groove415]

You think Cleveland's attracting top tier free agents? If you say "yes" then I have a bridge to sell you. Even Lebron the G.O.A.T couldn't get top F.A to sign in Cleveland. Ohio is a dump. Player's want to play in big cities, hot markets and where the weather is nice 24/7.

Kevin Love is a great re-signing for the now hapless Cavaliers. He brings a superstar name to a team that is now teetering on bottom 3 in the league. Casual women love Kevin (no pun intended). He's a GQ model and can now play his A game similar to when he was beasting with the T-Wolves.

Cavs are going to be irrelevant, but they had to do something. Koby is a fantastic GM and you can't blame him for James walking. Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in Cleveland. City is trash!

Love is a superstar?

[acquavallo]

Kevin Love stats(notice the low minutes per game)--
2017-18 season:

59 games(59 starts)
Averages: 17.6 points, 9.3 rebounds(team-high), 28.0 minutes per game, .415 three-point shooting, and .880 foul-shooting(career-high).
One of just four NBA players to make at least 100 three-pointers while averaging at least 9.0 rebounds in 2017-18 (Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokic, DeMarcus Cousins).
Double-doubles: 31
20+ points: 26
Season-high 38 points(in just 25 minutes vs Miami Nov. 28)
20+ points & 10+ rebounds combined: 17
Cleveland stats(4 seasons):

Total Games: 271(all starts)
Averages: 17.1 points, 10.0 rebounds, 31.3 minutes
Led Cleveland in total rebounds (2,705), double-doubles (145) and three-pointers (584).

All-time Cavaliers history:
4th in three-pointers made
10th in defensive rebounds
12th in total rebounds

Postseason Cleveland:
63 Playoff games(62 starts)
1 NBA Championship
27 Double-doubles
Averages: 15.3 points, 9.7 rebounds, 31.1 minutes, .404 three-point shooting, .854 foul shooting.

Career Accomplishments:
10-year NBA veteran
One of ONLY eight players in NBA history to accumulate 11,000 points, 7,000 rebounds and 1,000 three-pointers (Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison)
ONLY player with career average 10+ rebounds plus total 1,000+ three-pointers

In progress / to date(since 2008-09):

Total regular season games 635(553 starts) Minnesota and Cleveland Averages: 18.3 points, 11.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 32.2 minutes per game
Second-most double-doubles @ 401 ( to Dwight Howard-498)
Averaged 9+ rebounds in all 10 of his NBA seasons
NBA All-Star selections: 5 (2011, 2012, 2014, 2017, 2018)
All-NBA Second Team honors: 2 (2012, 2014)
Olympic Gold medals: 1 (2012)
Most Improved Player awards: 1 (2011)
All-Star Three-Point Contest wins: 1 (2012).

PS notice how gracefully he handled the midseason turmoil with players only meetings and public derogatory statements.

[ikid2groove415]

Kevin Love stats(notice the low minutes per game)--
2017-18 season:

59 games(59 starts)
Averages: 17.6 points, 9.3 rebounds(team-high), 28.0 minutes per game, .415 three-point shooting, and .880 foul-shooting(career-high).
One of just four NBA players to make at least 100 three-pointers while averaging at least 9.0 rebounds in 2017-18 (Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokic, DeMarcus Cousins).
Double-doubles: 31
20+ points: 26
Season-high 38 points(in just 25 minutes vs Miami Nov. 28)
20+ points & 10+ rebounds combined: 17
Cleveland stats(4 seasons):

Total Games: 271(all starts)
Averages: 17.1 points, 10.0 rebounds, 31.3 minutes
Led Cleveland in total rebounds (2,705), double-doubles (145) and three-pointers (584).

All-time Cavaliers history:
4th in three-pointers made
10th in defensive rebounds
12th in total rebounds

Postseason Cleveland:
63 Playoff games(62 starts)
1 NBA Championship
27 Double-doubles
Averages: 15.3 points, 9.7 rebounds, 31.1 minutes, .404 three-point shooting, .854 foul shooting.

Career Accomplishments:
10-year NBA veteran
One of ONLY eight players in NBA history to accumulate 11,000 points, 7,000 rebounds and 1,000 three-pointers (Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison)
ONLY player with career average 10+ rebounds plus total 1,000+ three-pointers

In progress / to date(since 2008-09):

Total regular season games 635(553 starts) Minnesota and Cleveland Averages: 18.3 points, 11.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 32.2 minutes per game
Second-most double-doubles @ 401 ( to Dwight Howard-498)
Averaged 9+ rebounds in all 10 of his NBA seasons
NBA All-Star selections: 5 (2011, 2012, 2014, 2017, 2018)
All-NBA Second Team honors: 2 (2012, 2014)
Olympic Gold medals: 1 (2012)
Most Improved Player awards: 1 (2011)
All-Star Three-Point Contest wins: 1 (2012).

PS notice how gracefully he handled the midseason turmoil with players only meetings and public derogatory statements.

Wasn’t he bench in the finals a few times? Ever done anything in the playoffs?

[7deuceoff$uit]

Wasn’t he bench in the finals a few times? Ever done anything in the playoffs?

He played about 10 good seconds of defense against Curry in their only championship a few years ago. That's the only thing I can think of.

[packerd_00]

You think Cleveland's attracting top tier free agents? If you say "yes" then I have a bridge to sell you. Even Lebron the G.O.A.T couldn't get top F.A to sign in Cleveland. Ohio is a dump. Player's want to play in big cities, hot markets and where the weather is nice 24/7.

Kevin Love is a great re-signing for the now hapless Cavaliers. He brings a superstar name to a team that is now teetering on bottom 3 in the league. Casual women love Kevin (no pun intended). He's a GQ model and can now play his A game similar to when he was beasting with the T-Wolves.

Cavs are going to be irrelevant, but they had to do something. Koby is a fantastic GM and you can't blame him for James walking. Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in Cleveland. City is trash!

Weather is overrated,Boston doesnt have good weather,theyve landed plenty of good FA signings,and when was the last good signing the Heat or Clippers made.

[lonegambler23]

really sad for the city of cle all those bars restaraunts losing alot of money w lebron leaving and the season tix holders

all broke people live in cleveland.

[BigBusiness]

actually you need to learn how the nba works. it is primarily an entertainment circus of all fairly equal in talent players who end up getting overpaid because of an incredible amount of money streaming in. you give any nba player 25 minutes of playing time, let them take 20 shots and they all can average 20 ppg. 1/32 of a chance to win a championship. not the objective of most teams and players to win. and philadelphia hasn't even made it to the eastern conference finals yet so all that alleged tanking has only elevated them into the playoffs.

All fairly equal?

Who is equal to Lebron, Durant and Harden?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Every one thinks tanking is a sure fire way to success. Philly was an anomaly. When you go into full blown rebuild, there is no guarantee of ever getting out of it. Look at teams that blew it up and have never recovered. Sacramento blew it up 11 years ago and are still putrid. Orlando and Phoenix have spent nearly a decade trying to get back above water. The Bulls have done nothing since tearing that team down....Even the Lakers havent been remotely good since they blew it up during Kobe's last 2 years.

Add in the new tweak to the draft rules, tanking is no guaranteed road to recovery.

Excellent post. Most teams that have been tanking for years are still horrible. You need good management that can evaluate talent.

Philly hasn't done shit yet. Trust what process? Overrated team that haven't proven shit but that Simmons has a broken jumper that good teams will exploit.
The Cavs stunk for 4 years, drafted Kyrie, Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson, Anthony Bennett, and Andew Wiggins? TT is the only player left on the team. Do you really want to tank to take TT at #4 in the draft? You could have gotten a Rudy Gobert at #27, or a Giannis at #15 or a Kawhi at #15, all outside of the lottery. Tanking very seldom works. About once every two decades, you'll find a player worth tanking for like a Lebron, Magic or Duncan BUT the ping pong balls have to line up as well. Good teams build their youth into quality players then add 1 or 2 solid free agents. Any city can add a quality free agent if they build a solid core. Before Lebron came back to Cleveland, Gordon Hayward and Trevor Ariza had agreed to come to Cleveland. David Griffin and Kyrie had them both ready to sign, then Lebron says he wanted to come back and blew that deal. Now, they are all out of CTown.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Love was dominant before he played beside LeBron.


Coincidence?

Dominant a bit of a stretch. He put up good offensive numbers on an awful Minny team where he was their #1 guy. He was good but not great.

Better situation to lose every game and tank for 2-3 years like Philly - Love deal makes no dam sense !!!

The structure of the deal is not bad when you factor in future cap increases. He can be a nice 2nd or 3rd option and the contract will be moveable if needed provided he stays healthy.

Glad he got the deal. He was forced to play a role on offense for the past 4 years that didn’t suit his strengths. He didn’t cry to the press and took all the bashing.

[lonegambler23]

KLove gonna be a star again

[bigtymer56]

KLove gonna be a star again

And go back to 30 - 40 win seasons.

Whatever, he got his ring and he got paid.

[lonegambler23]

And go back to 30 - 40 win seasons.

Whatever, he got his ring and he got paid.

he needs a Dame Lilliard type player with him, the team will be good for overs

[Grits n' Gravy]

KLove gonna be a star again

When was he ever a star to begin with?

And go back to 30 - 40 win seasons.

Whatever, he got his ring and he got paid.

When he was the main guy in Minny his team averaged 25 wins per season. They reached the playoffs zero times and broke 30 wins twice. They won 40 once. Cleveland will be a bottom feeder for some time with this garbage roster.<br>
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&lt;br&gt;His teams in Minny when he was the #1 guy won 40 games 1 time and averaged 25 wins during his time there.

[thechaoz]

29 million a Year Lollollollol

I still don't believe this is reality. Luckiest guy on planet earth

[ikid2groove415]

Kevin love was consider worthless in his 3 finals with the Cavs- Was bench several times - He had nothing to do with Cavs success -

[ikid2groove415]

Idiots look at love numbers and think he’s good? Lollollol - sit down and auctually watch the guy play ? Zero defense -spot up shooter with decent numbers on rebounds -
He can not create his own shot

[thechaoz]

He should be arrested for armed robbery.

[ikid2groove415]

You think Cleveland's attracting top tier free agents? If you say "yes" then I have a bridge to sell you. Even Lebron the G.O.A.T couldn't get top F.A to sign in Cleveland. Ohio is a dump. Player's want to play in big cities, hot markets and where the weather is nice 24/7.

Kevin Love is a great re-signing for the now hapless Cavaliers. He brings a superstar name to a team that is now teetering on bottom 3 in the league. Casual women love Kevin (no pun intended). He's a GQ model and can now play his A game similar to when he was beasting with the T-Wolves.

Cavs are going to be irrelevant, but they had to do something. Koby is a fantastic GM and you can't blame him for James walking. Still, I wouldn't be caught dead in Cleveland. City is trash!

Didn’t cavs draft lebron number 1 ? And kyrie number 1? Tanking doesn’t work ?