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    Now the Atlantic City Borgata is suing Phil Ivey

    What is this, the 3rd casino that calls him a cheat?

    An Atlantic City casino is suing a big-time gambler, claiming he won $9.6 million in a card-cheating scheme in baccarat.
    The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Phillip Ivey Jr., considered one of the best poker players in the world.



    The lawsuit alleges Ivey and an associate exploited a defect in cards made by a Kansas City manufacturer that enabled them to sort and arrange good cards in baccarat.
    The technique gave him an unfair advantage on four occasions between April and October 2012, the casino asserted in its lawsuit.
    The casino claims the technique, called edge sorting, violates New Jersey casino gambling regulations. Its senior vice president, Joe Lupo, declined to comment on the lawsuit.
    Ivey's lawyer declined to comment on Friday. The lawsuit claims the cards, manufactured by Gemaco Inc., were defective in that the pattern on the back of them was not uniform.
    The cards have rows of small white circles designed to look like the tops of cut diamonds, but the Borgata claims some of them were only a half diamond or a quarter of one.
    The company is also fighting a lawsuit from another Atlantic City casino, the Golden Nugget, claiming the firm provided unshuffled cards that led to gamblers beating the casino for $1.5 million.
    Gemaco did not respond to a request for comment. The lawsuit claims that Ivey and his companion instructed a dealer to flip cards in particular ways, depending on whether it was a desirable card in baccarat.



    The numbers 6, 7, 8 and 9 are considered good cards. Bad cards would be flipped in different directions, so that after several hands of cards, the good ones were arranged in a certain manner — with the irregular side of the card facing in a specific direction — that Ivey could spot when they came out of the dealer chute.
    The lawsuit claims Ivey wanted the cards shuffled by an automatic shuffling machine, which would not alter the way each card was aligned. A lawsuit filed in Britain's High Court by the Malaysia-based Genting Group, a major casino operator, makes a similar claim against Ivey.
    It alleges Ivey and an accomplice amassed almost $12 million by cheating at baccarat. In that case, Ivey has denied any misconduct.
    Ivey has won nine World Series of Poker bracelets. He compares himself on his website to Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods and Muhammad Ali.
    —The Associated Press


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    Ac really struggling and needs the money

    This would be a major hit

    AC getting closer to bankruptcy ever year

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    Are they suggesting Ivey paid off a dealer?

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    Sour Grapes here.......Don't take the bet if you don't wanna lose the money

    Should have cut your losses if you suspected something at the time....

    Just someone outsmarting them and they don't like it when the odds are turned against them for a change

    Bitches

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Are they suggesting Ivey paid off a dealer?
    No he is edge sorting I think.

    http://apheat.net/2013/12/10/edge-sorting-101/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Ac really struggling and needs the money

    This would be a major hit



    AC getting closer to bankruptcy ever year
    operators in ac market are praying for another sandy to destroy their properties so they can collect insurance and get out of market. place is a cess pool.

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    I love when casinos get hit for big $$$

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    I don't care how rich someone thinks you are... Ivey doesn't want to defend this lawsuit. Just a waste of money.
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    Bs Lawsuit. If i was playing and notice something wrong with the cards that would benefit me, I wouldnt say shit. The casinos job is to inspect these cards. They are just pissed they gopt owned. Greedy fuks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    operators in ac market are praying for another sandy to destroy their properties so they can collect insurance and get out of market. place is a cess pool.

    yes its all over...ghetto and crap areas

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    Surrounding states have hurt AC with their own casinos. I like AC, because of so many casinos in one place, but
    it's 3 hours away from me. NJ put all their eggs in one basket (all in one area) while other states diversified
    (spread their casinos out).

    Not Ivey's fault him and his crew are observant enough to catch a card flaw and exploit it.

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    I wonder where this is going to go, seems without merit to me but who knows these days.

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    nothing illegal here. Same thing as counting cards….against gambling "regulations" but by law is not illegal. He from what it seems he didn't manipulate the cards in any way shape or form. He just noticed a difference and used it to his advantaged.

    Thats called strategy. How do people win wars? Or sporting events? Same way.

    The Borgata has better luck suing the company that makes the cards instead of Ivy and asking for restoration because they sent defective cards. I don't know who the fck the Borgatas lawyer is but he is going about this a completely wrong way, they should be working with Ivey to get their money back from the company, not trying to hurt the player who spotted the advantage. dumb fcking lawyers right there.
    Last edited by zacher; 04-12-14 at 09:44 AM.

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    Casinos are such whiners when they lose. It takes losing millions of dollars for them to figure out a problem they should have recognized to begin with

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    Edge sorting is illegal. It's not like card counting. It's more akin to hole-carding, which is illegal.

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    Every time a Black Man does well in life they try and take him down... If it aint HOs , drugs or guns then it is that he is a cheater trying to steal

    Nothing has changed in 250 yrs

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    wish i woulda seen that shit.. im down at the borgata at least once a month or so.. I woulda only taken 1m from them though and retired on the spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Marques View Post
    Edge sorting is illegal. It's not like card counting. It's more akin to hole-carding, which is illegal.
    So I guess you are saying that although it wasn't exactly cheating in the strict sense, he gained an edge through manipulation?

    Kind of like how casinos manipulate you when they pump you full of free alcohol? PAY HIM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Marques View Post
    Edge sorting is illegal. It's not like card counting. It's more akin to hole-carding, which is illegal.

    The casino is failing to employ cards that are not symmetrical, so they are offering a game with an inherent weakness. How can you blame a player that figures out how to exploit that?

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    Didnt this story say the dealer was also flipping cards a certain way or did everyone miss that? lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byronbb View Post
    The casino is failing to employ cards that are not symmetrical, so they are offering a game with an inherent weakness. How can you blame a player that figures out how to exploit that?
    I agree that the casino is responsible for protecting it's own game. However, this is clearly cheating. I can't believe the dealer didn't call a pit boss over when Ivey asked the 8s and 9s to be rotated. And if he did, that boss should be canned. Still, it takes nothing away from the fact that he cheated, plain and simple.

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    Also, you have to wonder how long it will be before a poker player accuses him of cheating.

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    How is it cheating? It is incompetence by the dealer, pit boss, and casino overall much more than it is "cheating"

    Im a big fan of "if you play you pay".....For both sides

    The player and the casino/book are always looking for the extra edge, it is your responsibility to not get burned if you wanna gamble

    Its just a casino pissed off that they got burned, guess they don't like it when the script gets turned on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    How is it cheating? It is incompetence by the dealer, pit boss, and casino overall much more than it is "cheating"

    Im a big fan of "if you play you pay".....For both sides

    The player and the casino/book are always looking for the extra edge, it is your responsibility to not get burned if you wanna gamble

    Its just a casino pissed off that they got burned, guess they don't like it when the script gets turned on them

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