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    Braun & ARod about to be suspended

    amongst others



    ESPN's John Buccigross reports that Major League Baseball is preparing to suspend Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez and others connected to the Biogenesis clinic in Miami.

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    Ut oh. They already tried to save brauns ass once wonder what came out this time.

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    Difference between A-Rod and Braun is A-Rod at least owns up to it, Braun's story is so full of shit, a first grader can see right through it.
    Tainted sample my ass, Braun won't have Selig this time to save his sorry ass

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    It's about fukkin time.

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    Don't believe it, Braun is clean.

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    At least 20 others could be suspended.

    T.J. Quinn@TJQuinnESPN 49s
    Sources tell @OTLonESPN Bosch will swear an affidavit that he provided drugs to players. MLB may seek 100-game suspensions for Braun, A-Rod.

    Other names mentioned in the past...

    New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, Washington Nationals lefthander Gio Gonzalez, Texas Rangers right fielder Nelson Cruz, Toronto Blue Jays left fielder Melky Cabrera, Oakland A’s righthander Bartolo Colon and San Diego Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal. Cabrera, Colon and Grandal all tested positive last summer/fall and were suspended 50 games.
    In the weeks following that report, other media outlets published more names that allegedly had ties to the clinic. Among them were Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun, Detroit Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta, Seattle Mariners catcher Jesus Montero, Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera, Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli and Baltimore Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Difference between A-Rod and Braun is A-Rod at least owns up to it, Braun's story is so full of shit, a first grader can see right through it.
    Tainted sample my ass, Braun won't have Selig this time to save his sorry ass
    Splitting hairs. A-Rod just has a longer track record of cheating and then getting cornered.

    A-Rod owns up to it?
    http://mlb.si.com/2013/04/12/latest-...zs-reputation/

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    If you're not cheating , you're not winning. These idiots were just foolish to get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muldoon View Post
    Splitting hairs. A-Rod just has a longer track record of cheating and then getting cornered.

    A-Rod owns up to it?
    http://mlb.si.com/2013/04/12/latest-...zs-reputation/
    A-Rod admitted he did it with Texas.... moving on.....

    Cano's name will surface too, just wait.

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    Nelson Cruz almost certain to get the hammer dropped on him

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    two cabreras on the list

    when's the third getting bagged

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    MLB Baseball Suspensions...


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    List of managers will soon come out. They also took PEDs

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    20 MLB players may be suspended!!!

    Including Arod and Braun.

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    Missed the other thread.

    Delete.

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    They need to start kicking these fukks outta the game for good. Charlie hustle gets 86'd for gambling and these dildos continue to cheat and get slaps on the wrist. You think ARod cares if he misses 100. He would have probably went back on the DL anyway. I'm getting sick of this shit. When are they gonna end the steroid era for good? Only way is one bad test you're banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Samurai View Post
    Charlie hustle gets 86'd for gambling
    He should have,and he did.
    What Rose did was just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    He should have,and he did.
    What Rose did was just as bad.

    Not near as bad IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Not near as bad IMO
    He's leave pitchers in too long to win a bet isn't just as bad?
    He'd risk a pitchers career for a 2 dime wager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    He's leave pitchers in too long to win a bet isn't just as bad?
    He'd risk a pitchers career for a 2 dime wager.
    guess if you believe he wagered on own team. Not convinced he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Not near as bad IMO
    I agree. As a gambler I can understand the sentiment though. Game fixing and what not, but isn't doping just another way of fixing a game?

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    MLB seeks to suspend A-Rod, Braun

    MLB seeks to suspend A-Rod, Braun

    Updated: June 4, 2013, 11:17 PM ET
    By T.J. Quinn, Pedro Gomez and Mike Fish | ESPN.com

    Pedro Gomez Breaks Down MLB Investigation

    Pedro Gomez with the details on MLB seeking to suspend Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez and other players for their connection to Biogenesis.Tags: Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez, Pedro Gomez, MLB, OTL

    OTL: MLB Planning To Suspend A-Rod, Braun NEXT VIDEO





    Major League Baseball will seek to suspend about 20 players connected to the Miami-area clinic at the heart of an ongoing performance-enhancing drug scandal, including Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun, possibly within the next few weeks, "Outside the Lines" has learned. If the suspensions are upheld, the performance-enhancing drug scandal would be the largest in American sports history.


    [+] Enlarge ESPNTony Bosch, right, flat-out denied any knowledge of suspected PED distribution at Biogenesis, his closed South Florida clinic, in an interview with ESPN's Pedro Gomez.



    Tony Bosch, founder of the now-shuttered Biogenesis of America, reached an agreement this week to cooperate with MLB's investigation, two sources told "Outside the Lines," giving MLB the ammunition officials believe they need to suspend the players.

    One source familiar with the case said the commissioner's office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is the players' connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitute another.

    Bosch and his attorneys did not return several calls. MLB officials refused to comment when reached Tuesday.

    Bosch is expected to begin meeting with officials -- and naming names -- within a week. The announcement of suspensions could follow within two weeks.

    Investigators have had records naming about 20 players for more than a month. But without a sworn statement from Bosch that the records are accurate and reflect illicit interactions between the players and the self-described biochemist, the documents are little more than a road map.

    Sources did not say what other materials, such as receipts and phone records, Bosch might provide, but said he has pledged to provide anything in his possession that could help MLB build cases against the players. Sources said MLB officials were not sure how many players might end up being pulled into the scandal; the 20 or so they know of have been identified through paperwork, but Bosch is expected to provide more. (Because some players are listed by their names and some by code names, officials are not yet certain whether some are redundant.)


    Players Under Scrutiny

    Major League Baseball will seek to suspend about 20 players connected to Biogenesis, OTL has learned. Among the players who might ultimately face discipline:
    Player Team
    Ryan Braun Brewers
    Everth Cabrera Padres
    Melky Cabrera Blue Jays
    Francisco Cervelli Yankees
    Bartolo Colon Athletics
    Nelson Cruz Rangers
    Fautino de los Santos Free agent
    Gio Gonzalez* Nationals
    Yasmani Grandal Padres
    Fernando Martinez Astros
    Jesus Montero Mariners
    Jordan Norberto Free agent
    Jhonny Peralta Tigers
    Cesar Puello** Mets
    Alex Rodriguez Yankees
    * Sources told ESPN that Gonzalez received only legal substances ** minor leaguer, not a member of the MLB Players Association



    The development is a major break for MLB, which has pursued the case vigorously since Bosch's name was brought to MLB's attention last summer. In exchange for Bosch's full cooperation, sources said, Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March, indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation, provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency that might bring charges against him. Sources said negotiations over the agreement, which lasted several weeks, stalled over the last point, as Bosch wanted the strongest assurances he could get that MLB would help mitigate any prosecution.

    At the same time, MLB is trying to secure the cooperation of at least two other former Bosch associates who have spoken to MLB investigators, as well as Juan Carlos Nunez, a registered agent who worked for longtime agents Seth and Sam Levinson and who is believed to have been a conduit between Bosch and numerous players.

    MLB already has established precedent to suspend a player for two offenses in one shot: Minor league player Cesar Carrillo was hit with a 100-game suspension in March when he was confronted with Biogenesis documents containing his name and then denied having any connection to Bosch or the clinic.

    However, because Carrillo was on a minor league contract and thus not a member of the MLB Players Association, he was not entitled to an appeal through arbitration. Major league players accused by MLB are expected to fight any suspension, and efforts to charge the players with multiple offenses would take that fight to another level. In the appeals process, players are allowed to confront witnesses and evidence in a courtroom-like procedure before an arbitration panel.

    Corroborating evidence against some players could prove difficult to come by. Several sources told ESPN that Bosch dealt only in cash and usually used friends as couriers, sometimes never seeing some of the athletes he served.

    In a recent interview with ESPN, his only one since the scandal broke, Bosch said he knew nothing about performance-enhancing drugs and that media accounts of his alleged PED distribution amounted to "character assassination."

    More from ESPN.com


    Tony Bosch's past includes a tangle of ties and titles in which he befriended players while tapping the expertise of hormone-therapy doctors, write Mike Fish and T.J. Quinn. Story

    ESPN.com 's Jayson Stark explains how Tony Bosch's cooperation with MLB's Biogenesis investigation could lead to the biggest drug bust in sports history. Story



    "I have been accused, tried and convicted in the media. And so I think [I] have been falsely accused throughout the media," he told ESPN's Pedro Gomez. "I've done nothing wrong."

    But sources said Bosch has been feeling pressure from both the MLB lawsuit, which claims tortious interference, and a potential criminal investigation, and that he sees full cooperation with MLB as one of his only refuges. Several attorneys have said they don't think the lawsuit could survive a legal challenge, but Bosch likely would have to put up a costly fight in order to have the case dismissed. Several sources have told ESPN that Bosch is nearly broke, living alternately with family members and friends, and has tried unsuccessfully so far to revive his "wellness" business.

    The Florida Department of Health recently said it had sent Bosch a cease-and-desist letter and referred the case to law enforcement. MLB has tried to enlist the Drug Enforcement Agency, but no sources close to the clinic said they have been interviewed by any law enforcement agents and don't know of anyone who has been.

    MLB officials, though, traveled to Miami last month to take the deposition of anti-aging specialist Dr. Daniel Carpman, a former acquaintance of Bosch. Biogenesis documents from 2011 included prescription forms purportedly signed by Carpman, who previously told "Outside the Lines'' that he didn't sign the forms.

    Bosch first came to MLB's attention in 2009 after Manny Ramirez, then with the Los Angeles Dodgers, tested positive for excessive levels of testosterone. While Ramirez appealed that finding, MLB officials discovered a prescription in Ramirez's medical file for human chorionic gonadotropin, another banned substance. The HCG prescription, sufficient evidence to suspend Ramirez, was written by Dr. Pedro Bosch, Tony's father, but sources said at the time that Tony Bosch actually had been facilitating Ramirez's drug use. MLB tried to get the DEA involved, but the agency took a pass. Ramirez was suspended for 50 games and was suspended a second time for 100 games in 2011 after he failed another test.
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    Tony Bosch resurfaced last summer after several players, all with connections to the Miami area, tested positive for excessive levels of testosterone. Melky Cabrera, Bartolo Colon and Yasmani Grandal all received 50-game suspensions. When an ESPN reporter asked MLB officials about information that all three might have been connected to Bosch, MLB launched an investigation, sending several members of its Department of Investigations to South Florida, where they have repeatedly visited former Biogenesis employees and Bosch associates, even paying at least one $5,000 for information.

    Braun's name appears on at least two documents, one that lists him as owing $20,000 to $30,000 and another that says he owed $1,500 for what sources said were PEDs. Braun issued a statement saying the larger figure was to pay Bosch for consulting on his successful appeal of a 50-game suspension after he tested positive for elevated testosterone in October 2011, and Braun denied ever receiving or using PEDs. During his interview with ESPN, Bosch said he only consulted with Braun, but sources said he is expected to tell MLB he did provide the Milwaukee star with drugs.

    MLBPA officials have negotiated with their MLB counterparts to offer limited cooperation from the players but have been concerned the players could expose themselves to further liability.

    Bosch's claims in his ESPN interview that he never distributed PEDs are sharply at odds with accounts from numerous sources who say he helped provide banned substances to possibly dozens of athletes. They also contradict paperwork that several sources said was handwritten by Bosch. Shown a list of athletes who allegedly received PEDs through Biogenesis, Bosch told ESPN's Pedro Gomez, "No comment. I have never seen that in my life." The list was one of dozens of documents obtained by "Outside the Lines" and is similar to the documents in MLB's possession.

    Some paperwork, taken from company computers rather than Bosch's handwritten notes, lists players by code names. Most, such as Rodriguez, Colon, Cabrera and others, have been identified in media reports, but MLB will want Bosch to say who the code names represented.

    Mike Fish/ESPNTwo unidentified men last fall leave Biogenesis of America in Coral Gables, Fla., a clinic under investigation by Major League Baseball.



    Also sure to be on MLB's list of questions is whether the Yankees' Robinson Cano, who could sign a lucrative free-agent contract after this season, had any connection to Bosch or the clinic. The spokeswoman for Cano's foundation, Sonia Cruz, was listed in Biogenesis documents, as ESPN reported, and MLB officials have investigated whether she might have been a conduit for Cano.

    A senior Yankee official told ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand that the team has been told that Robinson Cano is not in trouble. "Cano is not a part of this," the official said.

    The players who might ultimately face discipline from MLB include: Rodriguez, Braun, Cabrera, Colon, Grandal, Nelson Cruz, Francisco Cervelli, Jesus Montero, Jhonny Peralta, Cesar Puello, Fernando Martinez, Everth Cabrera, Fautino de los Santos, Jordan Norberto and a number of other players who either are identified by code names or whose names appear in other documents not obtained by "Outside the Lines."

    Cruz told ESPNDallas.com's Todd Wills, "I cannot say anything about it. I guess it's part of the process. They are doing their jobs."

    One player who will be scrutinized but possibly exonerated is the Nationals' Gio Gonzalez, who was listed among Biogenesis clients, but two sources told ESPN the only substances he received from the clinic were legal.

    Pedro Gomez is a bureau reporter for ESPN. He can be reached at pedro.j.gomez@espn.com.
    T.J. Quinn is a reporter for ESPN's Enterprise Unit. He can be reached at tjquinn31@yahoo.com.

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    Colon has definitely found something amazing!

    He prolly pisses orange

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    guess if you believe he wagered on own team. Not convinced he did

    he has said he bet on his team,,said never against...

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    two cabreras on the list

    when's the third getting bagged
    !

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    Quote Originally Posted by I/O View Post
    Colon has definitely found something amazing!

    He prolly pisses orange
    Bartolo= Dominican Kenny Powers

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    miggys clean

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartmouthemcee View Post
    miggys clean
    I think so too.

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    get on a's futures, no nelson cruz = big trouble for rangers

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    Braun should be suspended for life without question if its true he's lied how many times now?

    Sad thing is A-Rod will still make HOF while Pete can't get in... Americas pastime slowly fading away

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    I remember the days when people would tell me Bonds was clean, he just worked out hard

    Why dont these guys admit it and move on like all these other juicers did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartmouthemcee View Post
    miggys clean
    Odds are he isn't...

    Do you know how hard it is to win the triple crown??

    Then do you realize how hard it would be to win the triple crown when the majority of players are dirty???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabinator View Post
    I remember the days when people would tell me Bonds was clean, he just worked out hard

    Why dont these guys admit it and move on like all these other juicers did?
    Their market value would plummet, that's why. You think Braun gets 5yr/105 mill in 2012 or 2013? Hell no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacloud View Post
    Braun should be suspended for life without question if its true he's lied how many times now?

    Sad thing is A-Rod will still make HOF while Pete can't get in... Americas pastime slowly fading away
    ^This here. Been following the game basically all my life and I'm just about done.

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