1. 10-28-12 01:03 PM #1
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    Any New York lawyers on the forum?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National

    How can they arrest a software company? Who will they go after next? The phone company or maybe forum owners(oh fuk)
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  2. 10-28-12 01:05 PM #2
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  3. 10-28-12 01:05 PM #3
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    learn to post a link noob
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  4. 10-28-12 01:08 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pew Pew View Post
    learn to post a link noob
    Alright, alright...I think Lou hacked my account.
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  5. 10-28-12 01:11 PM #5
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    against the law, 20 years each imo
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  6. 10-28-12 01:14 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    against the law, 20 years each imo
    which law?

    You a lawyer now too?
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  7. 10-28-12 01:18 PM #7
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  8. 10-28-12 01:20 PM #8
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    what's next??

    is the FBI gonna go after smith and wesson because some animals shot up a 7-11??

    the USA is going to shit
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  9. 10-28-12 01:28 PM #9
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    This is ridiculous. No way they get convicted.
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  10. 10-28-12 01:46 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwarrior1 View Post
    against the law, 20 years each imo



    fat fukk on welfare giving law and penalty opinions

    kids never worked a day in his life

    cant make this shit up

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  11. 10-28-12 01:49 PM #11
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    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...l#post16524922
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  12. 10-28-12 01:52 PM #12
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    They usually do not arrest people if it is not against the law.
    Software is being used for illegal reasons.
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    Sounds like a bunch of simultaneous arrests on a large network of people.

    Who knows exactly what the prosecutors are doing with these, but unless their is some obscure statute going on - there has to be more than the story suggests.

    The biggest effect this will have is scare an already sketch group of people.
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  14. 10-28-12 02:10 PM #14
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    There must be something that they aren't explicitly telling. E-mails? If you know that your customer is using your product or service for furtherance of an illegal enterprise, they can hang a conspiracy charge on you. Whether it's weak or not is up for the legal system.
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    Had my guy look at this. He says that it is a pretty clear cut case for the prosecutors as the wire trail and bank transfer trail would likely be directly from US based agents to a US company using the US financial system. He is suprised that these folks were charged outside of the enterprise corruption blanket charges that were slapped on all participants and says this is precedent setting. Not a New York guy but offered an opinion.

    http://manhattanda.org/press-release...ompany-and-exe

    Here is the law.

    http://www.new-york-lawyers.org/lawy...y-1677385.html
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  16. 10-28-12 02:28 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    Had my guy look at this. He says that it is a pretty clear cut case for the prosecutors as the wire trail and bank transfer trail would likely be directly from US based agents to a US company using the US financial system. He is suprised that these folks were charged outside of the enterprise corruption blanket charges that were slapped on all participants and says this is precedent setting. Not a New York guy but offered an opinion.

    http://manhattanda.org/press-release...ompany-and-exe

    Here is the law.

    http://www.new-york-lawyers.org/lawy...y-1677385.html
    Precedent setting is the problem.

    Prosecutors can try all they want to stick weak charges on these guys. Good lawyers will be assigned to the defense, you wont hear about this for years.

    In the meantime, it is scaring the shit out of a lot of people.
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    I see nothing weak in the charges at all given the way the law is written.
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  18. 10-28-12 02:37 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChalkyDog View Post
    Precedent setting is the problem.

    Prosecutors can try all they want to stick weak charges on these guys. Good lawyers will be assigned to the defense, you wont hear about this for years.

    In the meantime, it is scaring the shit out of a lot of people.
    The only people who should be scared as a direct fallout from this latest round of charges is anyone who plays through a US based agent. Of course US players playing anywhere are always in the crosshairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokernut9999 View Post
    They usually do not arrest people if it is not against the law.
    Software is being used for illegal reasons.
    It's not the companies problem/fault that people are using the software for illegal purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    It's not the companies problem/fault that people are using the software for illegal purposes.
    It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

    Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
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  21. 10-28-12 07:10 PM #21
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    Boner 18 would be the best poster to comment on this
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  22. 10-28-12 07:25 PM #22
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    More to it than just these 2

    the Prosecutors are casting a wide net
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    Organized crime is connected to most all gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National

    How can they arrest a software company? Who will they go after next? The phone company or maybe forum owners(oh fuk)
    They did not arrest a software company. They arrested the individuals who owned it and developed the product.

    Are you developing and profiting from any gambling related software?
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  25. 10-28-12 08:10 PM #25
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    popcorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

    Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
    that makes no sense. The software is legal in the countries it was licensed to, and the company licensing it didn't take any bets.

    Why not put gun manufacturers away when their guns are used for an unlawful purpose. Or even google, you can search for gambling and find websites that take bets illegally from U.S. citizens, they are promoting gambling


    The ONLY way your argument about secret agents would hold any water is if the company gave specific instructions on how to use the software illegally. So not in general how to take a bet, but how to take a bet from an American. Kinda hard to imagine agents being able to pull that off without sounding like undercover agents

    although their company, Extension Software, licensed the software only to bookmaking operations based in Costa Rica, the Caribbean and Canada — where such betting is legal.
    Thats from the article. How the hell can you argue that secret agents have an airtight case against a software company..
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  27. 10-28-12 08:12 PM #27
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  28. 10-28-12 08:15 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

    Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
    So a gun used to kill, which it was designed for, means the gun maker should be charged criminally
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

    Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
    It was used for gambling and licensed only to companies in countries where it is legal.
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    I can't imagine we have too many lawyers lurking around
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    Quote Originally Posted by MUHerd37 View Post
    It was used for gambling and licensed only to companies in countries where it is legal.

    People were using it in the USA , not legal. You can not set up your software in a legal country and use it in a country were it is not legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kindred View Post
    that makes no sense. The software is legal in the countries it was licensed to, and the company licensing it didn't take any bets.

    Why not put gun manufacturers away when their guns are used for an unlawful purpose. Or even google, you can search for gambling and find websites that take bets illegally from U.S. citizens, they are promoting gambling


    The ONLY way your argument about secret agents would hold any water is if the company gave specific instructions on how to use the software illegally. So not in general how to take a bet, but how to take a bet from an American. Kinda hard to imagine agents being able to pull that off without sounding like undercover agents


    Thats from the article. How the hell can you argue that secret agents have an airtight case against a software company..
    I suggest you read the indictment not the newspaper article. The link was posted in this forum and completely rebukes your feeble logic.
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    I think they would have to show a causal connection between the developers and them covertly getting into the hands that got it into the hands of the NY Mob families.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    I think they would have to show a causal connection between the developers and them covertly getting into the hands that got it into the hands of the NY Mob families.
    Archie read the indictment pal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    I suggest you read the indictment not the newspaper article. The link was posted in this forum and completely rebukes your feeble logic.
    since I don't get off on being an internet forum wannabe lawyer why don't you tell me what exactly in the indictment rebukes my feeble logic?

    It's logical that anyone who makes software is responsible for how it's used, only a feeble mind would think otherwise. That's why the guy that made torrent software is in jail for life because people used it to pirate movies...oh wait he's a freeman WTF
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