[k13]

Rarely do I laugh when a line comes out, Cards -7...... Obviously lower at most shops now....

So you basically have two even teams and you are almost getting 2.5 on your money, you can't pass that up.
Spare the Cards are for real, they are not.

Two equally crappy QB's.
Arizona can't run the ball, Miami stops the run anyway.
Fitz is limited by Kolb, Miami's receivers are actually better overall.
Arizona's D is overrated at this point.

Liked Arizona vs Seattle, they had a good spot vs Philly but now they are on the other side.

Line should be -3, -3.5 the most. Who would seriously lay all these points with the Cards?

2.3u on +7 (-115) and 1.6u on +230 ml


Only way I might change my mind if pinnacle goes back to -7 and closes there. Slim chance of that.

+6.5 (-110) and +230 is still available if you have the resources.

[TheLock]

It's a tarp

[pulledclear]

This is a tough one. I could easily see Miami getting CRUSHED, Arizona is such a square play I cant touch it. Slight lean to the Over.GL

[No coincidences]

Agree on everything except for Arizona's D being overrated.

[MoneyLineDawg]

No real opinion on the play itself, but Miami's receivers better than the Cardinals overall has to be a joke

The presence of Fitzgerald alone makes that statement wrong.......No one else on either team is a difference maker.

[pimpinaces]

Arizona large...funny how you see this as a bogus line.

[LT Profits]

I bet Dolphins early at +7, they are the only NFL side I have actually bet as of now.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Can't see that Miami's WR"S are better than AZ'S. Would play Miami if getting at least 7. AZ should be laying at least 6 based on the teams they have beat so far. Under may be a better play.

[No coincidences]

Wish MIA was going into this with an experienced QB.

[ttrace35]

Everybody I know loves the dolphins. Arizona probably the play. No reggie bush. Maybe under is the play. Tough call. Good luck k. Is reggie confirmed out?

[LT Profits]

Arizona large...funny how you see this as a bogus line.

Bogus in the sense that right line should be -4 or -4.5

[LT Profits]

Wish MIA was going into this with an experienced QB.

Key is Arizona won't score much. They won't be able to run a lick vs, Miami run defense meaning game will be in the hands of KEVIN KOLB. Need I say more?

[LT Profits]

Everybody I know loves the dolphins. Arizona probably the play. No reggie bush. Maybe under is the play. Tough call. Good luck k. Is reggie confirmed out?

Bush is playing.

[pimpinaces]

No as in thr scense that arizona should blow Miami out. Miami has lost 8-10 on the road and i personally dont see them scoring more than 10 of lucky. -7 is spot on. Miami is strait poop and traveling. Dont see how anyone could take miami here

[Easy-Rider 66]

Bogus in the sense that right line should be -4 or -4.5

Considering that AZ beat Sea, NE, and Phil in successive weeks, it's hard to believe they should only be laying 4 points. AZ may be due for a letdown, but at that number it's AZ or no play.

[Justin3587]

Rarely do I laugh when a line comes out, Cards -7...... Obviously lower at most shops now....

So you basically have two even teams and you are almost getting 2.5 on your money, you can't pass that up.
Spare the Cards are for real, they are not.

Two equally crappy QB's.
Arizona can't run the ball, Miami stops the run anyway.
Fitz is limited by Kolb, Miami's receivers are actually better overall.
Arizona's D is overrated at this point.

Liked Arizona vs Seattle, they had a good spot vs Philly but now they are on the other side.

Line should be -3, -3.5 the most. Who would seriously lay all these points with the Cards?

2.3u on +7 (-115) and 1.6u on +230 ml


Only way I might change my mind if pinnacle goes back to -7 and closes there. Slim chance of that.

+6.5 (-110) and +230 is still available if you have the resources.

So then the play is Arizona.

[pimpinaces]

Tanahill sucks and he hasnt even faced a real nfl D yet. Is season actually starts this sun. Welcome to the nfl. You will see a rookie doing what rookies do!

[k13]

Wish MIA was going into this with an experienced QB.

With a good QB, Miami would have a chance at 8-10 wins with their schedule.

Don't really get why they never stuck with Matt Moore.

[Vegas39]

So then the play is Arizona.

says the kid that said Balty wins by 20 and Stanford a lock

[LT Profits]

No as in thr scense that arizona should blow Miami out. Miami has lost 8-10 on the road and i personally dont see them scoring more than 10 of lucky. -7 is spot on. Miami is strait poop and traveling. Dont see how anyone could take miami here

Read Post #12. Miami will hang around and an outright upset wouldn't shock me.

[LT Profits]

Considering that AZ beat Sea, NE, and Phil in successive weeks, it's hard to believe they should only be laying 4 points. AZ may be due for a letdown, but at that number it's AZ or no play.

yu
Flawed logic. By rights Arizona should be 1-2 and they were outgained in every game. Their best win came vs. one of the most overrated teams in football. If you don't look at the scores and just look at the stats, you will see where I am coming from with the fair line being 4/4.5. And Tannehill could actually be half-decent with Bush giving him support, while I have ZERO faith in Kob carrying a team with no run support.

[bobbyk1133]

Fitz is limited by Kolb, Miami's receivers are actually better overall.
Arizona's D is overrated at this point.

If you said this with a straight face, I think it's time to ignore everything else you ever say.

[pimpinaces]

I see your point..i actually think kolb is playing pretty decent. You already know what your getting from Miami (nothing). You dont know as far as Arizona goes. I think they are for real and cant really go against them till its proven they are not. Miami only beats to treams every year and its the raiders and jets. So dont base miami of the previouse 2 weeks they are actually a lot worse!

[pimpinaces]

Not telling anyone to take arizona. Just stating that -7 is acurrate and not a silly line...you already know miami is going to lose...but by how much? You really want to bet that it will be within 7 pts??

[thetrinity]

ks right again zona overpriced after catching philly in a bad spot last week.

lt also makes a good point, zona could easily be 1-2 and have been outgained all 3 games.

[Justin3587]

says the kid that said Balty wins by 20 and Stanford a lock

Oh well, everyone shits the bed a time or two.

[bobbyk1133]

Bogus in the sense that right line should be -4 or -4.5

Agree with this. I have the Cards graded as -5 favorites, but it's not a game I want to get involved with.

[k13]

Arizona was the consensus "worst team" this year according to everyone on SBR before the season started.

Now everyone likes them.....

Did you not like Seattle against them? Yes
Did you not like New England against them? Yes
Did you not like Eagles against them? Yes


If you actually liked Arizona that much, line was -2.5 vs Miami at Vegas for a long time. You only like them now because you watched 3 weeks of meaningless football.

[LT Profits]

Agree with this. I have the Cards graded as -5 favorites, but it's not a game I want to get involved with.

I got involved at +7. I wouldn't touch at current line of 5.5.

[bobbyk1133]

Arizona was the consensus "worst team" this year according to everyone on SBR before the season started.

Now everyone likes them.....

Did you not like Seattle against them? Yes
Did you not like New England against them? Yes
Did you not like Eagles against them? Yes

If you look at the Cardinals on paper, there's no reason they can't compete for the division crown. The thing that scared everyone off was their O-line and QB situation coming into the year. Now that they are getting decent play up front, things aren't falling apart on offense.

And who is "everyone" when you refer to the last two weeks? Did anyone really think laying two touchdowns vs a good defense was a good play? Or laying over a field goal last week with PHI's horrible O-line situation?

[LT Profits]

ks right again zona overpriced after catching philly in a bad spot last week.

lt also makes a good point, zona could easily be 1-2 and have been outgained all 3 games.

Not could, SHOULD. Edwards drops touchdown on perfect pass on last Seattle play, one of better kickers in NFL misses fairly chippie FG on last New England snap.

[Nick_U]

Fade the fish, allll year long

[k13]

If you look at the Cardinals on paper, there's no reason they can't compete for the division crown. The thing that scared everyone off was their O-line and QB situation coming into the year. Now that they are getting decent play up front, things aren't falling apart on offense.

And who is "everyone" when you refer to the last two weeks? Did anyone really think laying two touchdowns vs a good defense was a good play? Or laying over a field goal last week with PHI's horrible O-line situation?

How many games do you think they'll win this year? Miami, St Louis is next...

[bobbyk1133]

I got involved at +7. I wouldn't touch at current line of 5.5.

The one thing I will say in the Dolphins favor is they've been (surprisingly) better than ARI on third down and in the red zone on both sides of the ball (so far). Those are the areas that define a team over the long-run. I wouldn't argue against +7, but anything else would be highly questionable for either side.

[bobbyk1133]

How many games do you think they'll win this year? Miami, St Louis is next...

Without looking at their schedule I'd say around 8 to 10 wins. I certainly don't think they are a contender with Kolb at QB. I doubt he overcomes his deficiencies anytime soon. Everything will continue to hinge on their O-line and QB...which I don't think holds up all year.

At the same time I can't ignore what they have goin on. That defense was legit long before anyone took notice this year. Very good options at the skill positions with the exception of TE. I like R Williams too.