[muldoon]

That's all you could find? Hmmm,,,kind of like Obama's record, let's pretend it doesn't exists. Here's a few I guess you somehow missed(apology accepted);

05-10-09 07:24 PM SBR_John "He was however fairly elected with a mandate. He is doing what he said he would do and what the majority elected him to do. Lets give him a chance."

10-08-08 12:17 PM #23
SBR_John I'd give Obama a B- and McCain a C.

05-02-09 09:56 AM #1
SBR_John
I was in Amsterdam when he held a short news conference. People scurried and crowded around the TV to get a glimpse of the new American President. For the first time in a while I was proud of my President.

I dont agree with many of his policies. But I am one conservative that can honestly say I'm glad he is the President of the USA.

05-02-09 11:34 AM #10
SBR_John
I just think the President should have full command of the issues and have a near 6th sense of good judgement. He is extremely highly respected in the world and that makes the world a little bit safer. It is possible that anti-American sentiment could decrease under this man. And stronger relations may well lead to better trade and security deals with the world at large.

Bottomline is I still dont like higher taxes but I'm willing to take a dose of the bad. He is no Ronald Reagan who was the greatest but I get the same feeling that America is making a comeback just like when Reagan took over.

05-02-09 03:30 PM #21
SBR_John
Lost, Dwight, Obama and the rest of my fellow conservatives; Let's give him a chance. This is not Johnson or even Jimmy Carter. The problems at home call for some intelligent and creative thinking and not simply down party lines. The problems abroad scream for a clean, fresh approach and this guy has one.

05-02-09 03:55 PM #28
SBR_John
Right now he is dealing with problems in the banking and auto industry in a smart way imo. He is working hard and looks to be working smart. He is smarter than I thought and looks to be doing a great job so lets give the devil his due.

I just like the way he is not following party lines and just jumping in and tackling problems. America is standing tall again in the world. Now we need him to realize you can not tax business at 40% when the rest of the free world has a tax rate closer to 30%.

08-11-10 12:33 PM #155
SBR_John
Obama seems like a decent enough guy. He screwed me on my GM bonds but hey, wtf. The bailouts seemed to have worked, Hard to imagine if Bank America, Citi and most of the major banks and insurance companies failed and two of three autos also failed. I doubt in fact, check that, have no doubt that McCain would NOT have done a better job with the financial crisis. I still will not vote for people trying to over tax me but like I said, Obama seems like a decent enough guy.

1-25-11 01:55 AM #7
SBR_John
Obama is doing a decent job but is just not moderate enough to be a uniter like a Reagan or even a Clinton.

You made it sound like you were practically a bundler for Obama

Search my posts from the 2008 campaign. I was a big Obama supporter

Any record of you in 2008 being upset over Obama's lack of "record"?

But hey, it's semantics. Essentially you're on record as saying

- 4 months into his term you were already saying he wasn't Reagan
- He was fairly elected so we should give him a chance
- He's smarter than you thought (no indication why you thought he wasn't smart)

And of course, the 2010 post which sums up why I included you (and apparently why you asked for an apology) - that you won't vote for anyone who raises your business taxes (taxes for other business' since SBR is a foreign corporation)

-You admit you didn't vote for him
-You judged his term 100 days into term 1

With that being said, I guess compared to the klan rally leaders embraced (even some promoted to forum mods) at SBR, saying "let's give him a chance" or "let's give the devil his due" is better than nothing.

If you were offended, I sincerely apologize.

I guess we have very different opinions of what a big supporter is.

[Tully Mars 63]

Fukking hilarious. Businessmen did everything in a bubble, all by themselves, but athletes needed teachers, coaches and communities to build venues. Ok Mitt if you say so.

[opie1988]

jIf you can't see how they are spinning his words then maybe you should stay out of the discussion. You are the type of guy these spinning of words target. A gullible nitwit who doesn't know any better.

Thor.....although I know we reside in two different solar systems when it comes to our political leanings and beliefs, I want you to know I respect your dedication. You're clearly educated about what you preach, and it shows thru in your posts. This being said, I understand you consider me first & foremost a "gullible nitwit".

So I need you to help me understand something. This is Obama's exact quote that he gave in Roanoke, VA on July 13:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.




Now I realize you find me a simpleton hick, but for the life of me I cannot see how this particular quote can be construed to mean anything other than just as it reads. How is this "taken out of context"? This is a serious question. I''m looking to learn here.

Please enlighten me.

[opie1988]

You made it sound like you were practically a bundler for Obama



Any record of you in 2008 being upset over Obama's lack of "record"?

But hey, it's semantics. Essentially you're on record as saying

- 4 months into his term you were already saying he wasn't Reagan
- He was fairly elected so we should give him a chance
- He's smarter than you thought (no indication why you thought he wasn't smart)

And of course, the 2010 post which sums up why I included you (and apparently why you asked for an apology) - that you won't vote for anyone who raises your business taxes (taxes for other business' since SBR is a foreign corporation)

-You admit you didn't vote for him
-You judged his term 100 days into term 1

With that being said, I guess compared to the klan rally leaders embraced (even some promoted to forum mods) at SBR, saying "let's give him a chance" or "let's give the devil his due" is better than nothing.

If you were offended, I sincerely apologize.

I guess we have very different opinions of what a big supporter is.

Muldoon.....what is your obsession with thinking everyone has an ulterior motive for disliking Obama? The simple fact is.....he sucks at his job. He would suck at this job if he was white as Bobbyfk. He's over his head. The fact that he's a black fella (is this better?) has no bearing on that.

Answer me this, Muldoon. Do you honestly believe that Obama has the knowledge and background to fulfill the duties his job requires? Do you not think that he jumped into the top seat a little before he was ready? I've said many times that there is only a handful of people in the world capable of being a CEO of America's largest corporations. With the Presidency, you're talking the SINGLE LARGEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD. Do you really think that Obama is qualified??

[muldoon]

It's taken out of context by using the quote

If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.

with the inference being that you didn't build your business.

When, in fact, he's referring to you not building the schools and roads (or even the system overall) that lead to you creating your business.

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that.

"That" are the roads and bridges (and system). That's the "context" you can't seem to understand.

[muldoon]

Muldoon.....what is your obsession with thinking everyone has an ulterior motive for disliking Obama? The simple fact is.....he sucks at his job. He would suck at this job if he was white as Bobbyfk. He's over his head. The fact that he's a black fella (is this better?) has no bearing on that.

Answer me this, Muldoon. Do you honestly believe that Obama has the knowledge and background to fulfill the duties his job requires? Do you not think that he jumped into the top seat a little before he was ready? I've said many times that there is only a handful of people in the world capable of being a CEO of America's largest corporations. With the Presidency, you're talking the SINGLE LARGEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD. Do you really think that Obama is qualified??

No need to change your racism to try and suit me with softer terms. You are who you are. I merely pointed out how the forum embraces blatant racists like yourself.

Yes, I think Obama is qualified. I think the POTUS has a big influence over some things (some domestic programs) and is beholden to things like The Fed and military commanders.

If Mitt could show how his running Bain qualified him to diplomatically deal with the middle east, how running the Olympics could help deal with the immigration problem, or how being smart and legally hiding money off shore somehow benefits Joe Public - then he wouldn't have to resort to ads which blatantly misrepresent what "you didn't build that" referred to.

I'm sure SBR_John appreciates you running to his assistance and responding to my reply to him.

[Tully Mars 63]

Did someone else besides Rockefeller make the University of Chicago happen?

Yep, they did. From the University's web site-

Founded in 1890 by the American Baptist Education Society and oil magnate John D. Rockefeller, the University’s land was donated by Marshall Field, owner of the legendary Chicago department store that bore his name. Rockefeller described the donation as “the best investment I ever made.”

[Tully Mars 63]

With the Presidency, you're talking the SINGLE LARGEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD. Do you really think that Obama is qualified??

This is a huge misrepresentation in my opinion. Governments and corporations are very different.

[opie1988]

This is a huge misrepresentation in my opinion. Governments and corporations are very different.

Not really. At the highest level, they're very similar. Either way, it doesn't change my question. Do you truly believe he's qualified?

[Tully Mars 63]

Not really. At the highest level, they're very similar. Either way, it doesn't change my question. Do you truly believe he's qualified?

No, they're not and yes he is... but so likely is Mr. Romney.

My question is who's more likely to do a better job. Given that Romney's main proposals so far are "I'll do it different then Obama" and hasn't provided much detail how I think currently Obama is the lesser of the two evils. Which we all know is still evil.

[stevenash]

That's the "context" you can't seem to understand.

No, that's the context Obama wants you to believe after he realized he fukked up and said what he really felt, blew up in his face, and now is spinning his error.

Obama is a socialist to the 10th degree.
He's reaching now, back pedaling, doing a Ralph Kramden "hummina, hummina, hummina, how to I get my ass out of this mess", I have an idea, I'll tell them my words were taken out of context"

Nothing was taken out of context

[muldoon]

No, that's the context Obama wants you to believe after he realized he fukked up and said what he really felt, blew up in his face, and now is spinning his error.

Totally disagree.

Like I said before. Team Obama saw how Elizabeth Warrens youtube speech was embraced and basically co-opted it.

With that being said, I get it that "your side" is desperate for anything to get some traction after those Bain ads hurt.

The "no no no - it's not about race" side is in backtrack mode again today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...d-America.html

[King Mayan]

The guys who say Obama is over his head, voted for this dumbnuts^^^TWICE...

Which really meant a Dick Cheney presidency

Cheney voters have no credibility.

[The Kraken]

What I love about this thread is that it has some of SBR's finest. The future of SBR, if you will. Guys here passionate, well-informed and educated and it is very diverse. A melting pot. Guys that aren't afraid of the WAR! Going heads up with hall of fame posters. I feel honored just to have posted in this thread. First thing I learned in business is to surround yourself with a bunch of people that are a whole lot smarter than you, and then one that's dumber than you. That way the smarter people can run the business successfully while you profit the most and shit can continue to work itself downhill right past you. I feel entirely that way in this thread And thanks to Andy, for being that guy/

[stevenash]

I get it that "your side" is desperate for anything to get some traction after those Bain ads hurt.

Keep believe that the Bain ads hurt.

Just like the same mud slinging campaign will hurt Christie in NJ by Corzine. How'd that work out? Corzine, who should have been a liberal democrat incumbent shoe-in second term Governor in the bluest of blue states (NJ) only to get knoced off by a republican, where in New Jersey republicans rarely win elections.

Know why Corzine lost? Because even the liberal voters got tired of Corzine's shit hurling tactics, saw right through the fact he's inept, and that's the only campaign he can run on.

Same parallel here, first term elected official, monumental failure, has nothing to run on, has to resort to shit slinging tactics.

Chew on this, mud slinging campaigns rarely, if ever, get you elected. That's why Romeny is going to take a softer approach, and hammer Obama on his dismal four year record in office.

p.s. latest polls also show even democrats don't want to hear this rhetoric anymore "I (Obama) was dealt a bad hand, I inherited a mess, Bush's fault, congress won't work with me, republicans evil, democrats good....."
Nobody wants to hear that anymore, both sides.


Poll: President's Bain attack ads not working

Washington - Despite barrages of attack ads by President Obama and Democrats linking presidential candidate Mitt Romney to Bain Capital, Americans think Romney would make good decisions as President due to Bain experience.

Romney scores a decisive advantage over President Obama when it comes to managing the economy, reducing the federal budget deficit and creating jobs, a national Gallup Poll finds.

By a whopping 2-to-1 margin (63%-29%), those surveyed say Romney's background in business, including his tenure at the private equity firm Bain Capital, would cause him to make good decisions, not bad ones, in dealing with the nation's economic problems over the next four years.

President Obama and his Democratic supporters have spent tens of millions for attack ads featuring Bain. The new survey will almost certainly get the attention of Democratic strategists who thought hammering Romney on his business record was an effective election ploy.

Instead, the poll shows that Americans are focused on the economy where the President has a track record. A stalled economic recovery that millions never felt along with years of high unemployment seem to have soured views about Obama’s business competence more than the Bain ads have hurt Romney.

Also troubling for the President’s campaign, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents are much more enthusiastic about the election, an important factor in persuading supporters to vote. By 18 points, 51%-33%, they report being more enthusiastic than usual about voting. In contrast, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents by four points say they are less enthusiastic than usual, 43%-39%, which signals problems with Obama’s base support.

The polls shows a record number of Americans are skeptical about the activist role of government Obama espouses; 61% say the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses. That's the highest number since Gallup began asking the question in 1992.

The costly Bain-based Democratic attacks on Romney appear to have had little effect on voters. In February, 53% said the former Massachusetts governor had the personality and leadership qualities a president should have compared to 54% in the new poll. Also, 42% said they agreed with Romney on the issues that mattered most to them in February compared to 45% now.

A separate Gallup poll shows the race remains just about even, with Romney 46 percent and Obama 45, well within the margin of error

[Balco10]

Romney has business experience and was very successful. Obama has never held a private sector job. Was a community organizer and then voted into the Senate. Why bash Romney? Give the guy a chance, as our current has no clue to reduce the unemployment rate and wants to raise taxes on everybody in a recession.

[SBR_John]

Romney has business experience and was very successful. Obama has never held a private sector job. Was a community organizer and then voted into the Senate. Why bash Romney? Give the guy a chance, as our current has no clue to reduce the unemployment rate and wants to raise taxes on everybody in a recession.

Exactly.

Let's not reward failure. Obama made promises and could not produce them. And because he failed those of us who want to give someone else a chance are called right wing racists. Its sadly ironic that one of the broken promises was he was going to unite us. This "you didn't build your business" speech is yet another divider. His beloved tax hike on anyone remotely successful is another divider.

[Balco10]

Liberals are bitter! They want larger government and taxes everywhere!

[PAULYPOKER]

Liberals are bitter! They want larger government and taxes everywhere!

Let me clue you in pal.most of our tax dollars go to interest payments on the national debt which only exist because we have been scammed by the FED our whole lives............

It is this simple, we going to go bankrupt, this is certain,this is a good thing because we can return to creating our own interest free bank notes as intended in the original constitution..........

[jbart28]

ENTITLEMENTS NEED TO GO AWAY. THE FREE PONIES TO THE FAT and LAZY in lieu of votes is the biggest bunch of bs ever.

The 47% of americans who do not pay federal income tax should not have a full vote.

[Tully Mars 63]

Romney has business experience and was very successful. Obama has never held a private sector job. Was a community organizer and then voted into the Senate. Why bash Romney? Give the guy a chance, as our current has no clue to reduce the unemployment rate and wants to raise taxes on everybody in a recession.

Obama proposes to increase taxes on the top 2%, not everyone. And only then on their income over 250K. Income on the first 250K would remain the same as it is now. Do you ever get a fact correct?

[Tully Mars 63]

ENTITLEMENTS NEED TO GO AWAY. THE FREE PONIES TO THE FAT and LAZY in lieu of votes is the biggest bunch of bs ever.

The 47% of americans who do not pay federal income tax should not have a full vote.

Here's a basic list of US federal government entitlement programs-

Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax CreditStudent LoansChild and Dependent Care Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit
Social Security--Retirement & Survivors
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Veterans Benefits
G.I. Bill
Medicare
Head Start
Social Security Disability
SSI--Supplemental Security Income
Medicaid
Welfare/Public Assistance
Government Subsidized Housing
Food Stamps

Which would you cut, by how much and how much would that save the country?

And lastly do you use any of these programs?

[rkelly110]

Who breeds/ educates these BFI's? (brainless fcking idiots) Holy hell!

[Tully Mars 63]

Who breeds/ educates these BFI's? (brainless fcking idiots) Holy hell!

I am always amazed at the number of people who want to cut "entitlements" yet have no idea what they actually are and often they themselves are benefiting from them. How many people use the home mortgage interest deduction? I know I do and I'd hate to lose it. I also have a veterans loan so I'm using that as well.

I went north a couple years ago to visit my new grand daughter and wandered down to a Tea Party rally in front of a Post Office. I spoke with a nice older lady who told me we have to get rid of all these "entitlements." She was on both SS and Medicare. She told me she wouldn't be able to stay long as her husband was in the veterans hospital and she needed to go visit him.

A lot people seem to think getting on welfare, food stamps and disability is easy and the hand outs never stop. In my experience that's just not true. Sure there's people who've figured out how to work the system but I seriously doubt they are the norm. I have a family member on SS disability and my ex's sister has been on SSI most her life. My family member can not walk most days, is on a huge amount of medication. Getting them on the program was a four year nightmare. Every doctor they'd seen agreed they'd probably never be able work again, that includes the SS doctor. Still took years and a court hearing to get the benefits approved. Their disability is less then a 1K a month. My ex-sister in law has been mentally ill since turning 17. She hears voices and talks to them, less so when on meds, but there's no way she could be gainfully employed. She gets a whopping $400 something a month from SSI. I think the crazy ex sister in law gets some food stamps. By where and how she lives I'm guessing not much.

I'm all for cutting waste and useless spending but not all entitlements are bad.

[rkelly110]

I hear ya brother. The mush mouths in here only think of themselves. Not what might happen to them or their families.

[Tully Mars 63]

The Tea Party really blows me away. I think, from what I've read, it honestly started out as a bunch of average people fed up with government spending. Particularly spending more money then it takes in. Some my have been a little misguided but I think they had, many still do, the country's best interest at heart. But their organization got highjacked along the way by more then one group. The money men like the Koch brothers and Dick Army and the racists primarily. The nice older lady I spoke with near my daughters house never heard of the Koch Brother, least she said she hadn't, but she was holding a sign printed by one of their Super Pac's. I saw another sign being held by a younger man that showed Obama in a Nazi uniform and had him sporting a tiny mustache. I asked the lady what she thought of that and she replied "Look I lived through WWII, comparing anyone to Hitler is beyond the pale." She also said the signs showing Obama with a bone through his nose or made to look like a monkey were not something she would carry either. She was there because "the spending and these hand outs need to stop" and something needed to be done. Guess it never dawned on her that she's getting at least three of these "hand outs" herself.

I don't think much of the Koch brothers but you got to hand it to them they've managed to get a bunch of people to go out and protest, angrily at times, against many of their own interests. It's pretty brilliant if you think about it. My mom's on SS and medicare. We were watching the news one day and a piece on the tea party came on, she watches mainly Fox so it was very positive. She mentioned "those guys have the right idea." I asked her what she'd do if the tea party got their way and ended SS and Medicare? "Oh, they're not trying to end those programs, just the hand out to people who don't deserve them." Maybe, but I'm pretty sure guys like the Koch brothers are very interested in ending all social programs including SS and medicare.

I also hear that "getting rid of the hand outs to people that don't deserve them" a lot. I'm sure, as I stated above, that you can find some fat slob living off government hand-outs by scamming the system but I think it's rather minimal. I think we should seek those lazy bastards out, charge them if they're committing fraud. But depending on how you define "don't deserve" my guess is the "hand outs" amount to somewhere between less then 1% of the budget to maybe 5%. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and end them just means it alone won't right our ship.

[SBR_John]

Cut everything. Cut taxes for everyone. We are not under taxed. The government spending is totally out of control from military to entitlements. Stop all inflation adjustments and and put a moratorium in place to not allow ANY new spending.

Let's get our credit rating back. Cut taxes on business to stimulate hiring. Get a pro business executive branch that doesn't kill projects like the Keystone Pipeline to please a few green technology radicals.

Bottomline is big and getting bigger central government is the problem, not the solution. Evey dollar hijacked from the tax payer is a dollar removed from the system that provides jobs and the American dream. Trying to extract $15 trillion out of the economy and into the central government has brought the economy to its knees and is setting us up for a Euro style debt ridden meltdown.

[Tully Mars 63]

Cut everything. Cut taxes for everyone. We are not under taxed. The government spending is totally out of control from military to entitlements. Stop all inflation adjustments and and put a moratorium in place to not allow ANY new spending.

Let's get our credit rating back. Cut taxes on business to stimulate hiring. Get a pro business executive branch that doesn't kill projects like the Keystone Pipeline to please a few green technology radicals.

Bottomline is big and getting bigger central government is the problem, not the solution. Evey dollar hijacked from the tax payer is a dollar removed from the system that provides jobs and the American dream. Trying to extract $15 trillion out of the economy and into the central government has brought the economy to its knees and is setting us up for a Euro style debt ridden meltdown.

I agree with everything but your statement that we are not under taxed and taxes highjacking dreams. We spent a shit ton of money on the war(s) and it's time to pay for them. Bush increased (a lot) the central government by creating new agencies. That shit cost money and slapping a yellow ribbon bumper sticker on the ass end of your GMC will not pay it off. Passing it on to our grand kids grand kids is a fukking crime. Cutting taxes while going to war was stupid and really a 2-7% increase based on income would not hurt most people. People bitch about it but if you increased my tax rate 5% I might have to cut back on a meal or evening out once or twice a month. Right now folks are bitching about raising the tax rate on people who earn more then 250K a year. The first 250K would be taxed the same but any amount over that would be taxed another 4.5%. Really? That's going to kill jobs? Or the dividend tax rate. What is it? 15%? Make it the same as any other earned income. You seriously think folks with a lot of money would stop investing to earn dividends if they made a little less? What would they do stuff their mattress and make zip? If they do that then fukk'em and let'em.

[SBR_John]

I agree with everything but your statement that we are not under taxed and taxes highjacking dreams. We spent a shit ton of money on the war(s) and it's time to pay for them. Bush increased (a lot) the central government by creating new agencies. That shit cost money and slapping a yellow ribbon bumper sticker on the ass end of your GMC will not pay it off. Passing it on to our grand kids grand kids is a fukking crime. Cutting taxes while going to war was stupid and really a 2-7% increase based on income would not hurt most people. People bitch about it but if you increased my tax rate 5% I might have to cut back on a meal or evening out once or twice a month. Right now folks are bitching about raising the tax rate on people who earn more then 250K a year. The first 250K would be taxed the same but any amount over that would be taxed another 4.5%. Really? That's going to kill jobs? Or the dividend tax rate. What is it? 15%? Make it the same as any other earned income. You seriously think folks with a lot of money would stop investing to earn dividends if they made a little less? What would they do stuff their mattress and make zip? If they do that then fukk'em and let'em.

Raising taxes as you suggest will only raise $55 billion according to Obama. $55 billion will run the government for an extra couple of hours a year. The bi partisan CBO estimates it will slow GDP by .5- .9%. Yesterday it was reported the economy is growing at 1.5%. You think it helps the poor to slice our economic growth by more than 1/3 so the government can run a couple of extra hours a year? The Obama plan to tax the rich is simply a ploy to divide us. It will have no material effect on the deficit.

Those making good money are already paying 35%. They are already paying their "fair share".

Focusing on punishing the rich and businesses is not the answer. We need them to invest. They are the answer to reviving the economy. The more you take from them the less they invest.

[Mr KLC]

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. The government has not proven that they can allot money where they say it is going to go. Anytime they get more money, or cut any type of deficit, it seems like it is time to start another entitlement, instead of taking care of the debt we've already accrued. The cart doesn't need to come before the horse. The government needs to prove to us that they can cut their spending, and be fiscally responsible, before they have the idea of taking more money from citizens.

[DwightShrute]

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. The government has not proven that they can allot money where they say it is going to go. Anytime they get more money, or cut any type of deficit, it seems like it is time to start another entitlement, instead of taking care of the debt we've already accrued. The cart doesn't need to come before the horse. The government needs to prove to us that they can cut their spending, and be fiscally responsible, before they have the idea of taking more money from citizens.

and it's obvious this administration is unable or unwilling to do so. Time to give someone else a shot.

[SBR_John]

Obama's plan to tax the rich is simply a ploy to divide us. It will not reduce the deficit by even 1/10 of 1%.

He ran a commercial yesterday with a women looking like she had seen a ghost and saying "Romney scares me!". GTFO here..

Didn't he say in 2007 he was going to unite us?

[DwightShrute]

He said a lot of things in 2007 John. Also 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and still to this day. Yet, some people still believe him

Not much longer let's hope

[rkelly110]

If you stop and look at what got us into this mess in the 1st place, was it 911? Laden knew hitting those
world trade centers would hurt the worlds financial system. Worked.

Going to 2 wars with no way to pay? Giving people homes they can't pay for during a housing run?
Giving tax breaks? Housing collapses, massive layoffs?

The economy picked up when we left Iraq, will it pick up when we leave Afghanistan?

Point is, the govt got us into this mess, get us the fck out!

Facts are facts, 'bama has clawed us out from the brink, into positive territory mostly
with out the help of the Repubs. It would be better to stay with someone who has a plan
than a Mormon moron who screws up every word out of his mouth.

[DwightShrute]

Obama made things work Rkelly. It got a lot less-worse after the mid-terms in 2010 thanks to the US people coming to their senses and stopping the spending madness.

Romney might be a moron as you say but we don't really know because he isn't president yet. One fact we already know... there is a moron in the White House already. Almost 4 years proves it. He needs to go. Once he does, American should recover.