[Chimneyfish]

The semi rich people still naively believe the republicans will carry them,the truth is the wealth gap is closing rapidly due to greed

Spoken like a true mush-mouthed liberal. I thought that closing the wealth gap and total equality was the centerpiece of your guys' entire ideology?

[23Edler_Salo6]

I lost it at Romney saying "Steve Jobs didn't build Apple."

...he didn't. He piggybacked off Xerox's technology, completing the GUI. Apple is a perfect example of Obama's argument. Mitt simply just re-enforced Obama's point with that.

Now Mr. Romney, about that tax return you don't think is necessary to disclose...

But in 1994, Romney vigorously called for then Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) to release his tax returns, in order to prove that he had “nothing to hide”:

With the tax-filing deadline looming, Republican Senate candidate Mitt Romney yesterday challenged Sen. Edward M. Kennedy to disclose his state and federal taxes to prove he has ‘nothing to hide,’ but another GOP rival, John R. Lakian, called Romney’s move ‘bush league’ ‘It’s time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much he pays in taxes,” said Romney, a business consultant from Belmont. Romney said he would disclose his own state and federal taxes for the last three years ‘on the very day that Kennedy turns over his taxes for public scrutiny.’ [Boston Globe, 4/19/94]

Eight years later, during his successful gubernatorial campaign, Romney played the same game, calling for his Democratic opponent to release her husband’s tax returns, even when he hadn’t released his own:

At the moment, however, Mr. Romney is trying to have it both ways. On April 16, he lambasted his most likely Democratic foe, Shannon O’Brien who discloses her tax return for filing separately from her husband who does not. The husband is Emmett Hayes, a former state representative and until recently a Beacon Hill lobbyist. One of Mr. Hayes’s clients was Enron. Mr. Romney is in high dudgeon that Ms. O’Brien hasn’t released Mr. Hayes’s tax forms with her own. ‘Her hands aren’t clean!’ he says…If Romney & Healey, who are candidates, won’t release their tax forms, they have no business demanding that Mr. Hayes, who isn’t a candidate, do so. [Editorial, Providence Journal Bulletin, 5/9/02

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/11/340682/flashback-romney-tax-return/?mobile=nc

I could post this gold all day. Romney hasn't stayed consistent on an issue his entire life.

[philswin]

As someone who works in the technology field I have seen good technology jobs being shipped overseas for years. Obama promised to do something about it. When he had the opportunity to do something he appointed Jeff Immelt CEO of GE as his job czar, the same guy who called China his second home market and has been shipping jobs to China for years. Why would an active CEO of a large company take the responsibility of Job Czar? Only to protect the actions of his company, in turn Immelt delivers political and financial support to Obama. Business as usual here.

[Extra Innings]

unbelievable...

[Thor4140]

As someone who works in the technology field I have seen good technology jobs being shipped overseas for years. Obama promised to do something about it. When he had the opportunity to do something he appointed Jeff Immelt CEO of GE as his job czar, the same guy who called China his second home market and has been shipping jobs to China for years. Why would an active CEO of a large company take the responsibility of Job Czar? Only to protect the actions of his company, in turn Immelt delivers political and financial support to Obama. Business as usual here.

Part of your post is honest and part of it is rubbish to justify Romneys out sourcing. GE moved the Xray division to China because China is who they were dealing with. Also GE said nobody was losing their job over this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/ge.asp

[philswin]

Part of your post is honest and part of it is rubbish to justify Romneys out sourcing. GE moved the Xray division to China because China is who they were dealing with. Also GE said nobody was losing their job over this.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/ge.asp

can you explain to me where I said this justifies Romneys outsourcing?

[Thor4140]

As someone who works in the technology field I have seen good technology jobs being shipped overseas for years. Obama promised to do something about it. When he had the opportunity to do something he appointed Jeff Immelt CEO of GE as his job czar, the same guy who called China his second home market and has been shipping jobs to China for years. Why would an active CEO of a large company take the responsibility of Job Czar? Only to protect the actions of his company, in turn Immelt delivers political and financial support to Obama. Business as usual here.

By the way the democrats just tried to put up a bill to stop giving tax breaks to companies who outsource and give tax breaks to companies who want to come back home to set up shop once again. Yes in our country our tax dollars are used to help a fukin company move its jobs overseas at the cost of its workers. The Dems wanted to stop this but all the Republicans but three voted to filibuster it. Now you tell me what kind of dirtbag would vote against that bill and what kind of dirtbag can support people who do that? This is what Republicans do and are nothing but pathetic corporate scumbags, to sell its people out like this.

[Thor4140]

can you explain to me where I said this justifies Romneys outsourcing?

u didn't say that. I was saying that as why this debate keeps springing up about GE.

[philswin]

It keeps coming up because Obama put his re-election ahead of American jobs and failed a promise and now is building his whole campaign around Romneys outsourcing. Both candidates have terrible records when it comes to outsourcing.

[philswin]

Liberal Dem calls for resignation of White House jobs czar

By Mike Lillis - 08/24/11 05:18 PM ET



Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) on Wednesday urged the White House to fire Jeffrey Immelt as jobs czar if the General Electric CEO doesn't step down.

Kucinich said GE's business practices — including aggressive efforts to minimize corporate taxes and a recent deal with China that critics say could undermine U.S. jobs over time — make Immelt unfit to counsel the president on job-creation strategies.

"Jeffrey Immelt has a conflict of interest," Kucinich said in a statement. "He cannot ethically advise the president on how to create American jobs and promote American competitiveness, while at the same time leading a company that is exporting American technology and, along with it, American jobs."

Immelt and GE have come under fire in recent days after The Washington Post reported the company is solidifying a deal to deliver aerospace technology — developed partly by NASA — to Chinese engineers in return for a foot in the door to China's emerging airline market.

GE has said the deal is too lucrative to pass up, but critics contend it will put additional pressures on U.S. airline manufacturers, such as Boeing, at a time when those companies are providing valuable domestic jobs amid an unemployment crisis.

"American taxpayers subsidized the development of this advanced technology, but U.S. taxpayers’ investment will end up creating jobs in China," Kucinich said.

It's not the first time GE has been in the hot seat this year. In March, The New York Times reported the company had claimed a 2010 tax benefit of $3.2 billion despite domestic profits topping $5 billion. The news drew howls from liberal Democrats and energized the push to close corporate tax loopholes, a central provision of the Democrats' strategy to reduce deficit spending.

"GE strives mightily to avoid paying federal income taxes, but goes ‘all in’ on a deal to transfer U.S. government-subsidized technology to the Chinese," Kucinich charged. "In light of these revelations, Mr. Immelt should save the president the embarrassment of asking him to step down and voluntarily resign."

President Obama tapped Immelt in January to head of the White House Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a spot previously held by the former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. The move was viewed as a concession to the business community, which has been wary of Obama's pro-business bona fides.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday

[Thor4140]

It keeps coming up because Obama put his re-election ahead of American jobs and failed a promise and now is building his whole campaign around Romneys outsourcing. Both candidates have terrible records when it comes to outsourcing.

Obama just had a shot to put a dent in outsourcing. The Republicans saved it by filbustering it to cut the throats of the American workers. As despicable as it gets. Profit before patriotism. Scum

[Thor4140]

Liberal Dem calls for resignation of White House jobs czar


By Mike Lillis - 08/24/11 05:18 PM ET



Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) on Wednesday urged the White House to fire Jeffrey Immelt as jobs czar if the General Electric CEO doesn't step down.

Kucinich said GE's business practices — including aggressive efforts to minimize corporate taxes and a recent deal with China that critics say could undermine U.S. jobs over time — make Immelt unfit to counsel the president on job-creation strategies.

"Jeffrey Immelt has a conflict of interest," Kucinich said in a statement. "He cannot ethically advise the president on how to create American jobs and promote American competitiveness, while at the same time leading a company that is exporting American technology and, along with it, American jobs."

Immelt and GE have come under fire in recent days after The Washington Post reported the company is solidifying a deal to deliver aerospace technology — developed partly by NASA — to Chinese engineers in return for a foot in the door to China's emerging airline market.

GE has said the deal is too lucrative to pass up, but critics contend it will put additional pressures on U.S. airline manufacturers, such as Boeing, at a time when those companies are providing valuable domestic jobs amid an unemployment crisis.

"American taxpayers subsidized the development of this advanced technology, but U.S. taxpayers’ investment will end up creating jobs in China," Kucinich said.

It's not the first time GE has been in the hot seat this year. In March, The New York Times reported the company had claimed a 2010 tax benefit of $3.2 billion despite domestic profits topping $5 billion. The news drew howls from liberal Democrats and energized the push to close corporate tax loopholes, a central provision of the Democrats' strategy to reduce deficit spending.

"GE strives mightily to avoid paying federal income taxes, but goes ‘all in’ on a deal to transfer U.S. government-subsidized technology to the Chinese," Kucinich charged. "In light of these revelations, Mr. Immelt should save the president the embarrassment of asking him to step down and voluntarily resign."

President Obama tapped Immelt in January to head of the White House Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a spot previously held by the former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. The move was viewed as a concession to the business community, which has been wary of Obama's pro-business bona fides.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday

Kucinich was right.

[PAULYPOKER]

Obama just had a shot to put a dent in outsourcing. The Republicans saved it by filbustering it to cut the throats of the American workers. As despicable as it gets. Profit before patriotism. Scum

Here is a great question....

If the president can override congress to go to war to "save" the country,why can't he override congress to save the country from congress?

[philswin]

As much as I dislike Kucinichs politics. I at least admire him for the fact that he is one of the few politicians that stand for something. There are only 2 left in Washington that stand for anything Kuchinich and Paul. Obamas hope and change and efforts to fundementally change Washington have been a dismal failure.

As long as you can hire a programmer in India for$6 and hour and US $50 per hour jobs will keep going to India as long as politicians have there hand out to Corporate America we will never see a change.

[philswin]

Obama appointed Immelt he cannot blame congress, republicans or George Bush. I cannot think of anyone in America worse for the job than Jeff Immelt. Obama showed his hand here and put his re-election ahead of American jobs. No one to blame but himself.

[Thor4140]

Here is a great question....

If the president can override congress to go to war to "save" the country,why can't he override congress to save the country from congress?

Pauly prolly something lame like the president needs to act fast with this decision. What that means is he needs carte blanche to get money as fast as he can to his war profiteer buddies.

[Thor4140]

Obama appointed Immelt he cannot blame congress, republicans or George Bush. I cannot think of anyone in America worse for the job than Jeff Immelt. Obama showed his hand here and put his re-election ahead of American jobs. No one to blame but himself.

You make it sound like Obama started out sourcing all by himself. Was this a bad choice yes. Is it anything like Romney being the owner of a company called Global tech when he was in charge of Bain, which invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success. No not a chance. A guyy running for president and he was involve in something like this is disgusting. Do they both suck yes. But between the two there is no comparison. When push came to shove we had a bill this week to end tax breaks for outsourcing. Republicans said no they love this kind of stuff. Every democrat voted against giving tax breaks for outsourcing and help companies to come back home. That is the bottom line. Obama would have signed this bill. Romney wouldn't. Heck even Scott Brown a Republican voted to end this outsourcing unfortunately the rest of the corporate whores didn't have the heart to tell thos companies moving overseas with the help of our tax dollars, to take a hike. Pathetic scum country killers.

[no gnu taxes]

Is it anything like Romney being the owner of a company called Global tech when he was in charge of Bain, which invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—.

Demonstrated to be bullsht.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...x6qV_blog.html


The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of “outsourcing.” On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail.


The Pinocchio Test



The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of “corporate raider” to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.


Four Pinocchios

[philswin]

By the way the democrats just tried to put up a bill to stop giving tax breaks to companies who outsource and give tax breaks to companies who want to come back home to set up shop once again. Yes in our country our tax dollars are used to help a fukin company move its jobs overseas at the cost of its workers. The Dems wanted to stop this but all the Republicans but three voted to filibuster it. Now you tell me what kind of dirtbag would vote against that bill and what kind of dirtbag can support people who do that? This is what Republicans do and are nothing but pathetic corporate scumbags, to sell its people out like this.

Deflect and blame Republicans (I am not a R or a D) is the cornerstone of the Obama campaign. Bottom line Obama was in a position to make difference to the millions of Americans that lost their job to outsourcing and sold out no excuses.

[Extra Innings]

Demonstrated to be bullsht.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...x6qV_blog.html


The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of “outsourcing.” On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail.


The Pinocchio Test



The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of “corporate raider” to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.


Four Pinocchios

[The Kraken]

As much as I dislike Kucinichs politics. I at least admire him for the fact that he is one of the few politicians that stand for something. There are only 2 left in Washington that stand for anything Kuchinich and Paul. Obamas hope and change and efforts to fundementally change Washington have been a dismal failure.

As long as you can hire a programmer in India for$6 and hour and US $50 per hour jobs will keep going to India as long as politicians have there hand out to Corporate America we will never see a change.

As long as the quality of the product remains above a minimum std. I say ship those jobs to India. I would rather pay 1k for my laptop as opposed to 10k.

A companies business is to make money. If they're paying the workers $50/hr as opposed to $6/hr, either the company takes a huge hit on the bottom line or they begin charging more for the product to make up for their losses.

Now if the $6/hr worker puts out an equally good product, I say use them.

It happens here as well, not just in other countries.

Compare an Anesthesiologist to a Certified Registered-Nurse Anesthetist. Look at educational differences, bill rates per hour or case and then compare the complication rate or case outcomes. CRNA's cost a hospital signifcantly less and study after study show equal patient outcomes. Business 101 says use the CRNA. It also says to outsource to India.

[rkelly110]

Mr Kraken, you wouldn't be Mitt Romney now would you? Mr Flip flop.

You make an Obama thread to praise him, you nominate this thread and now you will buy products
made overseas.

Make up your mind.

[peacebyinches]

this video sums up my thoughts on every single one of you

[Thor4140]

Deflect and blame Republicans (I am not a R or a D) is the cornerstone of the Obama campaign. Bottom line Obama was in a position to make difference to the millions of Americans that lost their job to outsourcing and sold out no excuses.

Blame what u simple fukhead? Are u telling me this didn't happen this week for christ sakes? I never saw people so not want to take blame for anything. Maybe Obama will stop blaming republicnas when they finally sac up and take some blame for crying out loud.

[Thor4140]

Demonstrated to be bullsht.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...x6qV_blog.html


The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of “outsourcing.” On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail.


The Pinocchio Test



The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of “corporate raider” to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.


Four Pinocchios

Last month, Mitt Romney's campaign got into a dustup with the Washington Post after the newspaper reported that Bain Capital, the private equity firm the GOP presidential candidate founded, invested in several US companies that outsourced jobs to China and India. The campaign indignantly demanded a retraction, claiming that these businesses did not send jobs overseas while Romney was running Bain, and the Post stood by its investigation. Yet there is another aspect to the Romney-as-outsourcer controversy. According to government documents reviewed by Mother Jones, Romney, when he was in charge of Bain, invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits—and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success.
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This previously unreported deal runs counter to Romney's tough talk on the campaign trail regarding China. "We will not let China continue to steal jobs from the United States of America," Romney declared in February. But with this investment, Romney sought to make money off a foreign company that banked on American firms outsourcing manufacturing overseas.
On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances, which manufactured household appliances in a production facility in the industrial city of Dongguan, China. That August, according to another SEC filing, Brookside upped its interest in Global-Tech to 10.3 percent. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: "Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc." Each of these documents was signed by Domenic Ferrante, a managing director of Brookside and Bain.

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The SEC filings do not reveal how much Romney initially invested in Global-Tech (which is now known as Global-Tech Advanced Innovations). But Brookside first acquired 748,000 shares at a time when Global-Tech was mounting an IPO at $19 a share. If that was the purchase price Brookside paid, then Romney's firm originally invested $14.2 million in the company.
At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad. On September 4, 1998, Global-Tech issued a press release announcing it was postponing completion of a $30 million expansion of its Dongguan facility because Sunbeam, a prominent American consumer products company and a major client of Global-Tech, was cutting back on outsourcing as part of an overall consolidation. But John C.K. Sham, Global-Tech's president and CEO, said, "Although it appears that customers such as Sunbeam are not outsourcing their manufacturing as quickly as we had anticipated, we still believe that the long-term trend toward outsourcing will continue." Global-Tech, which in mid-1998 announced fiscal year sales of $118.3 million (an increase of 89 percent over the previous year), also manufactured household appliances for Hamilton Beach, Mr. Coffee, Proctor-Silex, Revlon, and Vidal Sassoon, and its chief exec was hoping for more outsourcing from these and other American firms.
The Romney campaign and Bain Capital have insisted that Romney departed Bain in February 1999 to head the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and had no involvement in the private equity firm's deals after that point—a contention that has been challenged by the Obama campaign. But the Global-Tech Appliances transactions occurred long before Romney jetted off to Utah.
At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad.

Brookside downsized its Global-Tech holdings later in 1998. An SEC filing submitted on December 21, 1998, reported that the Bain affiliate now controlled only 4.63 percent of the company's shares. But Brookside was sharing its stake in Global-Tech with Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors LTD—a Bermuda-based corporation of which Romney was the "the sole shareholder, a director, and President." That is, Romney had split his Global-Tech holdings between two of his various business entities. (The SEC filing doesn't indicate why he did that.)
Sankaty is a story in itself. It was recently the focus of an Associated Press investigation that reported that Sankaty "is among several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed" and that there is a "mystery surrounding" Sankaty. Reporting on this Romney entity, Vanity Fair noted that "investments in tax havens such as Bermuda raise many questions, because they are in 'jurisdictions where there is virtually no tax and virtually no compliance,' as one Miami-based offshore lawyer put it." With Sankaty, Romney was using a mysterious Bermuda-based entity to invest in a Chinese firm that thrived on US outsourcing.
In early 1999, Romney's investment in Global-Tech expanded again. An SEC report filed on March 25, 1999, stated that Brookside and Sankaty at this stage owned 9.11 percent of the firm's stock. Romney was still listed as the sole shareholder and president of both Brookside and Sankaty.
By this point, according to the open-to-question account offered by Bain and the Romney campaign, Romney no longer had any involvement in Bain deals. But the series of SEC filings show active Brookside and Sankaty trading in Global-Tech Appliances while Romney fully controlled these firms. The two Romney companies repeatedly changed their ownership stake in this Chinese firm, which was not shy about its dependence on outsourcing. In its 2001 annual report, Global-Tech noted that US outsourcing was essential to its prospects: "Household appliance companies are focusing on their primary strengths of marketing and distribution, while increasingly outsourcing product development and manufacturing…Our ability and commitment to develop new and innovative, high quality products at a low cost has allowed us to benefit from the increased outsourcing of product development and manufacturing by our customers."

In August 2000, Brookside and Sankaty sold their interest in Global-Tech, according to the SEC documents. With these filings disclosing minimum details about Romney's investment in Global-Tech, there is no telling how much money he made—or lost—on the deal.
A spokeswoman for Bain says that the company will not comment on the Global-Tech investment or provide any additional details about this deal. A Romney campaign official would not address the issue of Global-Tech profiting from US outsourcing, but this Romney aide maintains that this deal was nothing other than a routine investment in a foreign company: "[I]t's my understanding that while Brookside is a part of Bain Capital, it is not a private equity vehicle. Brookside makes passive investments in public stock. They don't control or manage the companies they invest in. Brookside had a small ownership stake (9.11%) in Global-Tech…while Romney was there. If owning shares in a foreign company is somehow wrong, President Obama is guilty as well." (The Romney campaign points out that Obama's personal holdings include an investment in a Vanguard 500 Index retirement fund that contains shares in a handful of foreign companies.)

In recent weeks, Romney's involvement in outsourcing has become a contentious campaign issue. Late last month, the Obama campaign launched ads that accused Romney of being a "corporate raider" who "shipped jobs to China and Mexico" and slammed him as an "outsourcer in chief." The Romneyites cried foul, pointing to neutral fact-checkers who criticized the ads, and asserted that Obama was trying to distract from bad economic news. And the Romney campaign, pushing back on the Post story, maintained that the newspaper missed the difference between outsourcing and offshoring. This week, Romney declared that Obama was the real "outsourcer-in-chief," insisting that the president funded "energy companies, solar and wind energy companies that end up making their products outside the United States." (The New York Times immediately debunked much of Romney's attack, and the Washington Post's "Fact Checker" column awarded four Pinocchios to an Americans for Prosperity ad that in April made a similar claim about Obama and green-jobs outsourcing.)

Romney's Global-Tech deal adds a new dimension to the debate over Romney and outsourcing. Whether or not he was at the helm when Bain invested in US firms that did or did not ship jobs overseas, Romney was in command when a company he owned and controlled bought a large stake in a Chinese venture that counted on American companies sending manufacturing—and that means jobs—to China. These days, Romney rails against China for swiping American jobs and proclaims, "For me, it's all about good jobs for the American people." But when there was money to be made by acquiring a chunk of a Chinese company that aimed to displace American manufacturers (and American workers), Romney's patriotism did not interfere with the potential for profit.

[TheCentaur]

Of course the small business owner deserves most of the credit but to think you did it all on your own is naive.

How much credit is most of the credit? His tax return after unemployment taxes, social security and medicare for him and employees, licensing, use taxes, franchise taxes, income taxes, etc. would probably suggest he deserves about 45% of the credit.

It's not realistic to think voters are adequately informed of each candidate's records, where they stand on all the issues, who worked for them that profited from what or who they hung around with etc. I know one thing though, no person that I would vote for would ever say or be coerced into saying what Obama said there. No fuking way.

[opie1988]

So according to Thor with his incessant references to Romney's dealings when he was in the private sector......

I should worry more about how Romney spent his money, and not on how Obama plans on spending mine??

[philswin]

[QUOTE=Thor4140;15447982]Blame what u simple fukhead? Are u telling me this didn't happen this week for christ sakes? I never saw people so not want to take blame for anything. Maybe Obama will stop blaming republicnas when they finally sac up and take some blame for crying out

Appointing Immelt as job czar is like appointing Sandusky head of the boy scouts. that appointment is ALL on Obama, deal with it and stop deflecting.

[Grits n' Gravy]

So according to Thor with his incessant references to Romney's dealings when he was in the private sector......

I should worry more about how Romney spent his money, and not on how Obama plans on spending mine??

You don't need to worry about Romney being president. Better chance of video jj being the next Vidal Sassoon spokesman than the former happening.

[paranoyd androyd]

As someone who works in the technology field I have seen good technology jobs being shipped overseas for years. Obama promised to do something about it. When he had the opportunity to do something he appointed Jeff Immelt CEO of GE as his job czar, the same guy who called China his second home market and has been shipping jobs to China for years. Why would an active CEO of a large company take the responsibility of Job Czar? Only to protect the actions of his company, in turn Immelt delivers political and financial support to Obama. Business as usual here.

this was also the reason for GE's (much needed *ahem*) run-up

[Balco10]

Romney has the makings to be the next Reagan. Watch the dollar soar under him.

[Balco10]

It's only a matter of time before Ron Paul endorses Mittens.

[KingJD31]

We already know how Obama will, solyndra, space program in Russia, Finland cars, Brazil oil, China, Denmark Mexico, but let's focus on what Romney might have done at bain we are still not sure

So according to Thor with his incessant references to Romney's dealings when he was in the private sector......

I should worry more about how Romney spent his money, and not on how Obama plans on spending mine??

[Thor4140]

How much credit is most of the credit? His tax return after unemployment taxes, social security and medicare for him and employees, licensing, use taxes, franchise taxes, income taxes, etc. would probably suggest he deserves about 45% of the credit.

It's not realistic to think voters are adequately informed of each candidate's records, where they stand on all the issues, who worked for them that profited from what or who they hung around with etc. I know one thing though, no person that I would vote for would ever say or be coerced into saying what Obama said there. No fuking way.

because u are easily manipulated and to stupid to know his words are being twisted. Anything else u have on ur mind?

[KingJD31]

6 trillion in debt not 1 job created,worst president of all time and this guy still got supporters, fuking clowns