[4seasons]

Or, do they help you lose? I'm believing the latter, how about you? My first contention is that all the history, stats and trends they all give you for free, is a total waste of time. Isn't it? If all this data was even worth a nickel, would they all provide this data free of charge? Would they? Think about it. If the historical data and trends, and current stats meant anything on who was going to actually win, wouldn't you have to pay for this info? To me, if they give you the info for free, it's all useless info. What it's been doing to me is take up lot of my valuable time, clutters and clogs up my mind with useless data, and fogs up the picture of who is going to be victorious.

For example, last night's Under in Beantown. The historical data/trends and current stats all pointed to an Under, yet the game went over. So what did I gain by learning that the 2 teams this year go under a majority of the time, and that their last 5 games in a row easily went under? What good is it to see what the teams have done this year and in the past? Does it do any good at all? Does any of this data have even a scintilla of meaning as to who will win today? NO, it doesn't, which is why they give it to you totally free of charge.

On the Docsports.com site you can read the following: "We compile ...
exclusive information. This exclusive information comes from a network of
personal contacts, which we have developed and maintained through out the past
39 years. These contacts provide us with information that you won't find
anywhere else."

That's what it's all about ... EXCLUSIVE info, not free public info! Exclusive info I'm thinking is, did a player get hurt in practice and will be a late scratch, or will not be at 100%? Did a player violate a team rule and will be benched? Did a player have a personal issue that will hurt his game or the team's focus? Is the team's strategy today to play run and gun, or to employ full-court pressure and take as much time of the clock on each possession? What is the game plan for today? This is the info that is critical to know, and this is the info that the public will never see. I don't know if Docsports pays off a locker room towel boy to eavesdrop or what, but I do know that they don't give away their knowledge free of charge, and that having inside info is what it's all about.

Let's take a look at the Covers.com front page story today ... "Here's what to watch and wager on Saturday." So these are the games they're pimping out to the public, or going out of their way to attract the public to wager on today:

1) Pitt @ Uconn (-5.5)
2) Wash @ UCLA (-3)
3) NW @ Iowa (-1.5)
4) Van @ TN (+2)
5) Lou @ Syr (-9)
6) NC @ Duke (pick)
7) TX @ KS (-11.5)

Though Covers publishes that they have the "full story" they're only giving you a couple of tidbits on each game. That's hardly the 'full story' but perhaps they're meaning to imply it's their 'full story' and what they consider to be a 'full story'. So of all the games, why are they pimping out these games? Is it because they're on national TV? Is it because they're the easiest games to 'cap, or the toughest ones? Is it because these are the games that will have the most betting action? According to them, these are the games to "watch and wager on." My guess is, these are the games where the public takes the most beating. So allow me to track the results of these games, based on the line movements, and let's see how the public does on these games.

1) Line went from -6 down to -5.5, so indicates the lean is on Pitt.

So called Covers Team Experts are on Pitt 66.67% to 33.33. So if you believe what you read, and/or like what you read, are you a little lamb being led to Pitt?

[4seasons]

2) Line basically is unchanged from -5

So called Covers Team Experts are on Wash a whopping 75% to 25. Is picking Wash the little lamb?

[4seasons]

3) Line basically is unchanged from -2

So called Covers Team Experts are on Iowa a whopping 81.25% to 18.75. Is picking Iowa the little lamb?

[4seasons]

4) Line basically is unchanged from -1.5

So called Covers Team Experts are on Vandy 66.67% to 33.33. Is picking Vandy the little lamb?

[4seasons]

5) Line went from -9 down to -8.5, so indicates the lean is on Louie.

So called Covers Team Experts are 50/50, so using the complete consensus at this point on Louie 63.51% to 36.49. Is picking Louie the little lamb?

[Waterstpub87]

One result means nothing in the grand scheme of things. What you do with the information is important. Most statistics are completely worthless though. I doubt Doc sports or whatever you are trying to push can guarantee anything. Variance in sports games is extremely high.

[4seasons]

One result means nothing in the grand scheme of things. What you do with the information is important. Most statistics are completely worthless though. I doubt Doc sports or whatever you are trying to push can guarantee anything. Variance in sports games is extremely high.

Forgive me if it seems like I'm pushing Docsports, as if anything I'm pushing against them and those like them. Simple fact is, if they or anyone or any place consistently won on their exclusive info, genius, or whatever it is they claim to have, we'd all sign up, wouldn't we? If Docsports every year in every sport they cap won 80+%, we'd all buy their picks and put all the sportsbooks out of business. Thing is, if Doc or whoever could consistently win money based on their own rare ability, they would not be in business to sell their picks. Why would they? Wouldn't they just confidentially place their own bets with every Book in the world, and enjoy consistently making easy boatloads of money themselves? Wouldn't they? The fact is, they sell their picks so that they themselves do not have to risk their own money gambling. A guaranteed profit with no risk taking, is what their business is about. And Doc states himself on his own site ...

"I can only guarantee the following four statements. There are no
'get-rich-quick' schemes. There are no 'Locks.' Any game can and will lose in
almost unimaginable ways. And, you will unfortunately have your losing days."

Talk about losing in unimaginable ways, Pitt took the lead with 2 minutes left, but UConn still covered. That is what I am pushing, which is Covers.com promoted this game. 67% of their own pool of experts had Pitt. The line went from -6 down to -5.5, which means more money was being bet on Pitt., yet in the end Pitt does not cover. That's the point of this, which is to illustrate and prove that what these places share with you, does not help you win. They help you lose!

[2 Kids]

what ever they pick take the opposite youll win more it seems like, i dont use any of those i just pick what i feel best, if youre going to lose might as well be your own selections

[Told You So!]

The service plays section helps me on the obscure bowl games. Also I have once or twice taken other posters parlays and hit nicely.

[4seasons]

what ever they pick take the opposite youll win more it seems like, i dont use any of those i just pick what i feel best, if youre going to lose might as well be your own selections

Absolutely!

[4seasons]

The service plays section helps me on the obscure bowl games. Also I have once or twice taken other posters parlays and hit nicely.

The service plays section helps me on the obscure bowl games. Also I have once or twice taken other posters parlays and hit nicely.

Nobody here or anywhere that is open to the public for free consistently posts winners. If they could, they wouldn't be here, instead they'd be rich, right? What is currently being debated is does SBR ban those who do post consistent winners, as the site appears to be in bed with the bookies. SBR claims it banned Sharp69 (as one example) for some lame, weakass, meaningless policy. If SBR was really here to help the public win money, then there is no excuse for SBR. No one here would care what policies the poster violated, as long as the poster consistently posted winners. That is, IF this place is here to help people win money. Frankly, the poster could be a one-eyed racist alien terrorist, but if winners were being posted by this poster that enabled the public to consistently win, than SBR should be kissing the posters ass instead of eliminating his posting capability. Thus, isn't SBR & Covers et al merely in business to promote gambling for those they're in bed with, and in no way are in business to actually help the public win money from those that are the ones sponsoring the site? Which brings me back to assertion that any information these places provide for free, is useless information when it comes to picking winners.

Remember late in the NFL season the Packers losing to the Chiefs? The undefeated defending Super Bowl champs were playing against a vastly inferior Chiefs team, that was playing the game with a new head coach and QB, and seemingly had no chance of covering much less winining. The money line had dropped from like GB -1200 to -800. After the game was over, Packers' QB Rodgers said something about the team atmosphere was different heading into that game from all the previous games. In other words, he smelled something fishy. Someone knew something, as why else would the line drop like that? It's that exclusive info that someone has access to, that the public doesn't, and never will on sites like these.

[4seasons]

By DAVE SKRETTA, AP Sports Writer Dec 19, 4:08 am EST

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP)—Aaron Rodgers kept misfiring, and his receivers kept dropping passes. Typically reliable Mason Crosby missed a field goal, and the Green Bay defense couldn’t make a stop.

Heritagesports had their money line closing at -665

Sun 12/18

307

Green Bay Packers

-11 -110

-665

[4seasons]

So far, when keying on the games Covers pimps out, and tracking their own consensus pool on those highlighted games with a primary focus on their pool's "experts", they're 0 and 3 so far today. The 67% on Pitt lose, the 75% on Wash lose, and over 81% on Iowa lose. The next 2 lambs, Vandy & Louie, they're not looking too good either.

[4seasons]

Covers' "Full Story" on games 1 thru 3, had them writing only about Pitt in # 1 and how good Dante Taylor is, only wrote about how bad UCLA and their coach's SI story is, and offered how likely drained NW will be after their loss to OH ST as they aim for a 1st ever NCAA bid. When Covers' offers tidbits on teams that Covers' pool consensus is overwhelmingly leaning on, why isn't the consensus winning? Did these tidbits they offered, published and pimped help the public to win? Or did they help the public to lose on Pitt, Wash & NW?

[4seasons]

0 wins & 5 losses so far today for the consensus on the games pimped, again that is zero winners and all losers!

[4seasons]

6) Line went from a pick, to Duke at home getting 2.5, so indicating an enormous lean on NC

Less than 60% (57.14%) of Covers Team Experts were on Duke, so going with their total consensus which has 51.61% on NC. Is picking NC the little lamb?

My own personal thought here would be that NC is the superior team who is seeking viscious revenge from their last meeting, but Duke as a home dog who knows they can beat this team is the smart play. Personally would just naturally like to back NC myself, as I would enjoy seeing Duke lose at home. The smart chart is in NC's favor, the trends are too like Duke is 1-7 in their last 8 at home ATS. After what I'm seeing so far today, if you're backing NC, be afraid ... be very, very afraid. Here's the trends Covers is pimping in their "full story" of this matchup ...

TRENDS:

* The road team is 8-2 ATS in the last 10 meetings.
* Duke is 1-7 ATS in its last eight home games.
* UNC is 5-1 ATS in its last six games.

The last sentence of their tidbit on NC ...

"The Tar Heels have won six straight following that setback."

The last sentence of their tidbit on Duke ...

"The Blue Devils have dropped two at Cameron Indoor Stadium this season, losing multiple home games for the first time since 2006-07."

A lot of pro NC and anti Duke tidbits being offered, wouldn't you say? The point of this thread is to show how these tidbits are useless, and that's why they're freely being published everywhere you look. If you like what you read, you're going to back NC. According to Vegasinsider, that's where a 60% majority are. Now if a majority of gamblers lose, which side do you want to be on? With a pick 'em game going to NC -1, -1.5, -2, -2.5 ... you're inclined to go with NC and the money, aren't you?

If had Duke SU, much less +2.5 right now, I'd be feeling really good about where I'm at.

[4seasons]

The Blue Devils rank second to the Tar Heels in scoring in the ACC.




Covers making it loud and clear about Duke being 2nd to NC ... in the past. That's all in the past. Tonight, don't forget, it's a new game.

[4seasons]

7) Line went from -11.5 up to -12, and so indicates the lean is on Kansas.

So called Covers Team Experts are on TX 62.5% to 37.5, so will use the total consensus that has 57.54% on KS.

Seeking the games that are getting the most action, attention, and free tidbits being offered, and noting which side is being favored in the propaganda. Then seeing if the line movement is following the team being favored in the media, and then seeing if the consensus is as well. Of course I must point out, that if the Covers total consensus is leaning opposite of the team experts consensus, as was the case in the Duke game, we've got a problem.

Money leaned NC's way (and that's the main thing), total consensus was on NC, but experts were on Duke.

Money leaning the way of KS, total consensus is on KS, but experts are now 64.71% on TX.

If NC wins, I will rule out when the experts consensus is opposite of the total consensus, and so will then look at TX.
If Duke wins, will then look at KS.

[brettels]

covers consensus, even there "expert" consensus picks nearly always lose! They have a good set up there its just a shame they have losers making the picks. I need help with american sports and thought covers was going to make me a winner, not how it turned out.

[RockBottom]

Most of those games they were pumping today were higher-profile games with lots of money on them. Covers is more for a beginner bettor. Those touts do not know any more about the Duke game than you or I. Look at moves from lower-profile games, public bets those far less. As always, you want to take the best number. If you are chasing line-moves you probably will not get that.

[4seasons]

To find the favorite that will not cover, looking for pimped games, line movements in favor of the teams being pimped, and both consensus and expert leans on those teams. The one possible game so far today has everything, except for the line movement. Team being pimped today is MI ST, and the consensus is about 60/40 on MI ST with experts about 73/27. Maybe the line movements needs to be eliminated from this model in progress. We'll soon see, as the line movement has gone down a hook for MI ST from what I see. Most places that had MI ST -3.5 are now -3, and those that were -3 are down to -2.5. Am feeling if the money is leaning to OH ST, then take MI ST. Yet on the other hand, if the team being pimped has 73% of experts, then I see taking OH ST. Thus, OH ST +3 seemingly is the call for this one.

[4seasons]

covers consensus, even there "expert" consensus picks nearly always lose! They have a good set up there its just a shame they have losers making the picks. I need help with american sports and thought covers was going to make me a winner, not how it turned out.

Furiously Fading Free Facts

[4seasons]

Most of those games they were pumping today were higher-profile games with lots of money on them. Covers is more for a beginner bettor. Those touts do not know any more about the Duke game than you or I. Look at moves from lower-profile games, public bets those far less. As always, you want to take the best number. If you are chasing line-moves you probably will not get that.

My theory is to either go against the line move that has the team being pimped and consensus heavily on, or else it's a no play. Looking to bet against the soon to be slaughtered lambs, and not volunteer to be one.

[Wrecktangle]

Covers boxscore and line info very valuable. Covers trends and forum are dogsh*t.

[Inkwell77]

Covers experts are a joke. Anything involved with Teddy Covers is a joke. This handicapping thing is very hard. You have to get info from lots of places and use info you like and forget about stuff you don't.

[RockBottom]

To find the favorite that will not cover, looking for pimped games, line movements in favor of the teams being pimped, and both consensus and expert leans on those teams. The one possible game so far today has everything, except for the line movement. Team being pimped today is MI ST, and the consensus is about 60/40 on MI ST with experts about 73/27. Maybe the line movements needs to be eliminated from this model in progress. We'll soon see, as the line movement has gone down a hook for MI ST from what I see. Most places that had MI ST -3.5 are now -3, and those that were -3 are down to -2.5. Am feeling if the money is leaning to OH ST, then take MI ST. Yet on the other hand, if the team being pimped has 73% of experts, then I see taking OH ST. Thus, OH ST +3 seemingly is the call for this one.

If you are betting just on line movement, agree. Somewhere you have to factor in Ohio St's struggles over the last couple of weeks, and Michigan St is damn-near automatic at home for 10 years now.

[RockBottom]

And then Ohio St wins in East Lansing. Those Covers Experts are experts.

[RickySteve]

If you win, those affiliate sites lose. Do the math.

[4seasons]

Happened to notice 100% of experts making picks on the Creighton game went with Creighton

Expert Picks for Illinois St.

No picks.

Expert Picks for Creighton

Member	Pick	Expert Ranking
wizz10101	Creighton -5.5	#3 on Illinois St. games (35-17-1, 8150 units)
whiz123	Creighton -5	#4 on Illinois St. games (30-13-0, 7850 units)
elodoya24	Creighton -5	#6 on Illinois St. games (20-4-0, 7800 units)
EZ-Going	Creighton -5.5	#8 on Illinois St. games (33-16-1, 7700 units)
pgese	Creighton -6	#8 on Creighton games (25-12-0, 5900 units)
gca2001	Creighton -5.5	#9 on Creighton games (29-16-1, 5700 units)

[4seasons]

75% of the total consensus went with Creighton too. This is an example of why their site is free, and why sites that offer free data will not help you win. So logically, if the site doesn't help you win, it's helping you lose. And so whatever it is that you read and see and like, should be faded or stay away. In essence, you want to read and see stuff that is for the team your picking against, and not for the team you like. When you like a team, and the rest of the world does too, you think that's great and a big green light to wager. For me now, it's a big red light.

[4seasons]

If you win, those affiliate sites lose. Do the math.

I think I know what you're implying, so to be sure, would you elaborate on that theory?

[byronbb]

covers is not intentionally giving you the wrong side, they know about as much as picking winners as all their users.

[greenhippo]

Started 0-5? I honestly don't think I could do that picking spreads at random. How embarrassing.

[HoulihansTX]

I have been here 3 years, and I'm still losing.

[The Kraken]

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