[FourLengthsClear]

what i'm saying is u can theorize about what the set is in casino odds but a skilled person gets around these things.

real life is more then just theory. and casinos are not #'s on a chalkboard.

All my posts have referred to a fair/random deck and the 'theory' behind the numbers is solid. Your posts refer to patterns which would be indicative of non-random decks. As such we are talking at cross-purposes. Warriorfan's questions refer to timing in terms of sitting down, not mentally deciphering patterns.

I don't want to go down the road of debating with you whether you are able to 'see' patterns in different RNG because that would go nowhere. You will say you can and I will say that I cannot conceive it being true.

[MonkeyF0cker]

guess i'm confused went to a local casino and won 46.50. i won about $23 in a online casino. today got real good bj. from what i can tell they are using their rng from poker.

they are max bet $50 in bj.

honesty bro. they are scared of a real rng. that is not rigged.

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ok when i was in vegas. iplayed onthe gamekings. blackjack. single deck. for the first 3-4 months at the casino i moved next to. i never had a losing day at blackjack.

but dumbass that i was i used a players card. and the techs and management realized they were losing money on the gameking to me.

so they changed theprograms on them. wher they defeated one of my systems.

so what i did then realize there are like 200 gamekings in this casino. so i would play one at $1or $2 ahand.and using another system would pop it for 2 or 3 bux. frontend. then go on to the next gameking doing this all day.

i just left vegas in october. my daughter died and i moved back to tulsa to help withthe grandchildren. wehave 3or casinos in tulsa.

i'm ok.

but when i wasbleaving i noticed the gamekngs programs where changing again. hell i saw the techs with the machines working on them.

and these gamekings would beat you at the front end. mid end and back end. they set them at unbeatable.

i already knew don't play those much.

but online and real casinos realize that pro gamblers and semipro gamblers do work off of frontend. so they put the WINS towards the backend. majority of times.

all this to be applied to electronic games or software.

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so a practical approach is you have to have ways to sidestep the blocked frontend. and get to the middle.

this is a more advanced discusson but for sure you gotta have more then balckjack. electronica if you want to be a lifetimewinner.

* all this being said i have not played one minute in the sbr casino.in the last 2 months because they know me.
and rip me off. so i don't care for them at all.

funny sh.it. i play incasino games all day and won't touch sbr.

and sbr says its all good.

idiots.
lol/

LOL. Great post.

You've figured out how to beat a blackjack game that pays even money on natural 21's. Why are you only playing $1 or $2 per hand? You must be a multigazillionaire by now. Just for the thrills, huh?

I bet every casino has slot techs in reserve just in case you walk through the door.

[mathdotcom]

Monkey is back with a vengeance

[SteveRyan]

Video poker is not the only game.

You can also beat BJ by counting cards, but its not available online b/c deck is re shuffled before every deal, so counting is useless.

Yes VP can be beat but only with pay out tables where total pay out is higher than 100% aka +EV pay out table. Land casinos would have have one or two machines like that hidden around from time to time for marketing reasons but I have never ever seen anything like that online. If anyone knows about 100+% payout VP game online, I'd like to know where it is.

98% payout is not gonna win any money for you and no bonus will make you money either, since cash back is nothing more than PARTIAL rebate of your theoretical loss.
Obviously, its better to take advantage of any available bonuses but all bonus will do is just prolonging the bleeding.

When you say something about mathematical certainty and would want to be taken seriously you better come up with a prove.

The pay table itself does not have to be 100%. It must be at least 98%. The machine must also have a progressive Royal Flush jackpot AND you have to play with a players card that gives you cash back for your points earned.

With the combination of those things, the payback will slightly exceed 100% when the progressive Royal accumulates enough money.

vid poker is not the only game.

more bs.

it depends more on the set of the casino. on their electornica. you know loose slot casinos (110%) u will out-beat video poker.

do casinos set their slots at 130%. sure they do . in high traffic areas. at a casino i went the slots right next to the slot club where as loose as hell. all wilds.

same slot out on the floor chew up ur $50 bill like it was corn on the cob.
no matter what the 101% payback on joker poker.

This person does not know what he is talking about. Not only does he seem to think that casinos have permission to set their own paybacks, but he's fallen for the myth that they put "Loose" slot machines in high traffic areas.

but dumbass that i was i used a players card. and the techs and management realized they were losing money on the gameking to me.

so they changed the programs on them. wher they defeated one of my systems.

That is just not even possible.

What I am merely saying is according some of the posts in this thread, the cards you are dealt will be different and are dependent upon the instant you log into the server.

The cards are not dependent upon the instant you log on. If you logged on every day at 8am and recorded the cards that you are dealt during a specific period, you would find that the cards are randomly different throughout all periods.

You wont beat an online blackjack game just by logging on at the right time every day.

[sharpcat]

guess i'm confused went to a local casino and won 46.50. i won about $23 in a online casino. today got real good bj. from what i can tell they are using their rng from poker.
$23 dollars!!!!! man you fukkin buried those clowns!!!!
they are max bet $50 in bj.

honesty bro. they are scared of a real rng. that is not rigged.
They should just use a standard payout table that returns less than 100% like all other casinos have been doing for all these years. This way they would not have to worry about being shut down by the gaming commission and they would still make bank.

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ok when i was in vegas. iplayed onthe gamekings. blackjack. single deck. for the first 3-4 months at the casino i moved next to. i never had a losing day at blackjack.
Hope you were max betting with this huge advantage you should have a yacht by now.

but dumbass that i was i used a players card. and the techs and management realized they were losing money on the gameking to me.

so they changed theprograms on them. wher they defeated one of my systems.
they should have known you were too smart for them. They should have just put a hit out on you before you screwed everything up.

so what i did then realize there are like 200 gamekings in this casino. so i would play one at $1or $2 ahand.and using another system would pop it for 2 or 3 bux. frontend. then go on to the next gameking doing this all day.
Fukkin morons didn't realize that they had 199 more rigged machines out on the floor?

i just left vegas in october. my daughter died and i moved back to tulsa to help withthe grandchildren. wehave 3or casinos in tulsa.

i'm ok.

but when i wasbleaving i noticed the gamekngs programs where changing again. hell i saw the techs with the machines working on them.
Fukkin tech probably saw you looking at him and knew the gig was up.

and these gamekings would beat you at the front end. mid end and back end. they set them at unbeatable.
They should have set them at the "close to unbeatable" or the "sometimes unbeatable" setting so it would not be as noticeable.

i already knew don't play those much.

but online and real casinos realize that pro gamblers and semipro gamblers do work off of frontend. so they put the WINS towards the backend. majority of times.
Stupid professional players should change it up and hit it from the back from time to time. I always hit it from the back especially right before I finish.
all this to be applied to electronic games or software.

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so a practical approach is you have to have ways to sidestep the blocked frontend. and get to the middle.
Spin move around the front end and than stiff arm your way up the middle and than hammer those stupid fukks for $5k. Fukkin piece of cake!!

this is a more advanced discusson but for sure you gotta have more then balckjack. electronica if you want to be a lifetimewinner.
I'm not a big fan of techno music or any of that dance crap.

* all this being said i have not played one minute in the sbr casino.in the last 2 months because they know me.
and rip me off. so i don't care for them at all.

Fukkin SBR casino rips me of also but I thought it was because they had their payout charts set at 95% return when most other casinos were set at 98%, fukkers profiled me before I even had a chance to fukk them up the middle and finish in their backend.

funny sh.it. i play incasino games all day and won't touch sbr.

and sbr says its all good.

idiots.
lol/

Lots of players at my local casino wait and watch other players at a machine for hours and when that person leaves they move in on that machine, because fukk probability and random number generators that fukkin machine is due to hit.

Needless to say my local casino is crawling with sharps and I won't fukk with those little old ladies.

[Bongo]

I keep hearing people say online casinos are rigged, but I haven't seen any proof. It's easy to lose several hands in a row even with a fair deck of cards.

In any case, the odds are against you, and it's almost impossible to beat the house long term, no matter what strategy or system you use.

I would stay far away from online casinos, and stick with sports betting and poker, where you actually have a chance.

Mike Shackleford just proved it....

Studies say software cheats players at 2 online casinos

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_768058.html

[DrStale]

Either warriorfan is doing a great job trolling or is he is much dumber than I had given him credit for.

[Bongo]

I sat down at the blackjack table at a real casino at exactly 6pm and lost my first hand and left. I then went back at at exactly 7pm and got blackjack on the very first hand. It was all because of the RSG (Random Seat Generator)

[warriorfan707]

People are still not even understanding what I am saying and it is seriously astonishing.


I have been misunderstood for thinking that a pattern is detectable, no shit that it isnt.

My only question is will the cards be different if you log in at different times. There seems to be a lot of disagreements on this. Some say yes, some say no. I will go on record as saying I dont know.

I dont think anyone here knows for sure either. The matter remains open for speculation.

[Maverick22]

warriorfan... you are an idiot. you got all the answers that one could possibly need.

the cards would be different, regardless of the time on the clock when you log in, or when you click 'deal'.

There is no personal cache of a deck of cards, sitting around waiting for you to log in. That would make no sense from a data storage stand point.

[SteveRyan]

My only question is will the cards be different if you log in at different times.

Yes, they will be different. Randomly different every time.

Lets say you log on at 5pm. You play 10 hands. You win 4 of the hands, push 2, and lose 4.

If you had waited until 6pm to log in, the results could possibly be the same, but the cards would be different. More than likely, the ratio of win, push and loss would be different and the cards would be different as well.

[warriorfan707]

Some people are disagreeing with you.

[ttwarrior1]

Time	Description	Bet	Result
17:35:27	Player J♦ 5♦ 6♣ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer 2♥ 3♥ J♠ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:23	Player 4♥ 7♣ 6♠ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer Q♦ 8♠ T♠ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:19	Player 2♠ 6♥ 4♣ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer T♥ 9♥ T♠ Pair Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:13	Player J♠ T♦ 8♦ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer 6♥ 4♥ 3♦ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:09	Player 9♥ Q♠ 7♥ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer 3♥ 2♥ 9♣ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:05	Player Q♠ 7♥ 2♠ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer 5♥ 6♥ 6♠ Pair Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:35:01	Player 7♥ 2♣ 7♠ Pair Ante+Play 10.00 -10.00 Dealer Q♦ K♣ K♦ Pair Dealer Wins Pair Plus 3.00 1x 3.00	13.00	-7.00
17:34:56	Player 7♦ 4♥ 9♠ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer T♠ 7♠ 8♦ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:34:52	Player 4♦ J♣ 8♠ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer T♠ 7♦ 6♠ Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:34:47	Player 3♥ T♥ 6♦ Player Folds Ante 5.00 -5.00 Dealer 6♥ 5♠ 4♠ Straight Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	8.00	-8.00
17:34:42	Player K♣ 3♦ 4♣ Ante+Play 10.00 -10.00 Dealer T♦ 9♣ 8♥ Straight Dealer Wins Pair Plus 3.00 -3.00	13.00	-13.00

[subs]

Some people are disagreeing with you.

u must b tolling, either way gratz on the worst thread ever. i get that most gamblers have to be delusional to think that they going to beat the NFL on WA numbers after watching a few games, but u my friend take it to a whole new level.

awesome!


it is possible to make some chicken feed sort of money, but it is about bonuses and playing perfectly. there r a zillion resources that can show u how if u not got better things to do.

there r prolly some pros who know how to do it for better results but i'm guessing no 1 is going to walk u through that sort of thing.


can't believe i just read this thread....

[warriorfan707]

Amazing how dumb people really are

[subs]

the whole thing is a level, right?

please say it is....

[warriorfan707]

Unreal to me how half of the people in this thread still don't even understand what it is I am saying.

Its a simple fukking question really.

[FourLengthsClear]

Unreal to me how half of the people in this thread still don't even understand what it is I am saying.

Its a simple fukking question really.

No-one is blinder than he who will not see.
/Thread.

[warriorfan707]

For the final time.... I will say this.

This thread has nothing to do with patterns, or beating the online casino long term.

The reason I asked this was I wanted to know more about how the RNG's work. It is very clear, that noone knows and everyones answers are purely speculatory.

Some think that if you log in in 15 minutes as opposed to in 30 minutes, the cards you get dealt will be different. Some have called the people claiming that idiots and say no that the cards would be the same.

Thats what this thread is about. Not about trying to know what time to log in, as clearly that is random and no pattern is decipherable.

Now I await the next donkey who will come in talking crap because he thinks I am saying that this is a way to know what time to log into the blackjack and win every time.

[FourLengthsClear]

For the final time.... I will say this.

This thread has nothing to do with patterns, a) or beating the online casino long term.

b) The reason I asked this was I wanted to know more about how the RNG's work. It is very clear, that noone knows and everyones answers are purely speculatory.

Some think that if you log in in 15 minutes as opposed to in 30 minutes, the cards you get dealt will be different. c)Some have called the people claiming that idiots and say no that the cards would be the same.

Thats what this thread is about. Not about trying to know what time to log in, as clearly that is random and no pattern is decipherable.

Now I await the next donkey who will come in talking crap because he thinks I am saying that this is a way to know what time to log into the blackjack and win every time.

a) Then why did you ask this question, not one but twice?
b) You were given links to articles that explain RNGs and Pseudo RNGs, if you don't understand them, get a dictionary and look up "Random"
c) No-one said that!

...... and I will add.

d) You are an idiot.

[warriorfan707]

Im not about to go through the whole thread and cite what it is I am referring to. This is pretty funny... you yourself said that if you log in at different times you will get different cards.

Other people are disagreeing with that.

THIS IS THE QUESTION, NO I DIDNT READ THE LINKS THAT WERE POSTED.

The idiots are the people who dont understand the debate at hand here.

Just forget it. All this site is a bunch of people who in reality havent got a clue trying to make claims, like yourself.

[jmilacek]

Dude, jesus ******* christ.

If you roll a die at 5:30PM, will that number be the same number as if you instead waited until 6PM to roll that die?

******* WHO KNOWS

It has a 1/6 chance of being 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 at 5:30PM. If you waited until 6PM, IT HAS THE SAME ******* CHANCES.

ONLINE CASINOS WORK ON THIS SAME PRINCIPLE. However, they use software to determine the random number.

Each deal is an independent event unrelated in any way to the event prior. Does rolling a die once ever affect the next time you roll it? NO. It works the same ******* way.

Let's put it this way: do you think if you went to a real blackjack table at 5:30PM, or went at 6PM, the cards would be the same? No. No. JESUS CHRIST NO. Sure, there is an absolutely tiny possibility that the cards will be the same, just as the die roll would be the same.

If this doesn't answer your question, WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ASKING?

FYI everyone here agrees that the cards will be different. No one, NO ONE, is arguing that you are predestined to get the same cards regardless of when you log in. What you are asking - I think, I hope at least - is the same as asking "would I have the same life if I were born in January or in February?". Holy ******* shit.

[warriorfan707]

[chilidog]

Spell it out for me like I'm on day 1 of kindergarten, warriorfan. What exactly is your question?

[sharpcat]

Im not about to go through the whole thread and cite what it is I am referring to. This is pretty funny... you yourself said that if you log in at different times you will get different cards.

Other people are disagreeing with that.

THIS IS THE QUESTION, NO I DIDNT READ THE LINKS THAT WERE POSTED.

The idiots are the people who dont understand the debate at hand here.

Just forget it. All this site is a bunch of people who in reality havent got a clue trying to make claims, like yourself.

This is not a debate everybody in this thread has told you it is random, aside from some delirious poster rambling about a gamblers fallacy of finding patterns and makes up his own terminology about giving it in the front end and taking it in the back end.

RANDOM meaning UNPREDICTABLE!!!!!!

If I draw a number out of a lotto drawing machine it is random. It does not matter what time of the day the vacum sucks the ball through the fukkin tube or if it is the first or last time. The hand that is dealt is never going to be predetermined it is RANDOM!!!!!

This subject is not interesting as the OP would suggest and does not belong in the think tank.

[warriorfan707]

you dont think i know its random???? Seriously wtf is wrong with you people?

Im done

[warriorfan707]

Its a simple question, but its a question none of us have the answer to, despite some of you pretending you know.

The question is yes or no. I dont want to hear commentary. Its a yes or no fukking question. ANSWER WITH A YES OR A NO.

If I were to log into 5dimes blackjack right now, am I going to be dealt the same cards if I log into 5dimes blackjack in 20 minutes???

SIMPLE FUKKING QUESTION THAT CALLS FOR EITHER YES, NO, OR IDK.

[FourLengthsClear]

This is not a debate everybody in this thread has told you it is random, aside from some delirious poster rambling about a gamblers fallacy of finding patterns and makes up his own terminology about giving it in the front end and taking it in the back end.

RANDOM meaning UNPREDICTABLE!!!!!!

If I draw a number out of a lotto drawing machine it is random. It does not matter what time of the day the vacum sucks the ball through the fukkin tube or if it is the first or last time. The hand that is dealt is never going to be predetermined it is RANDOM!!!!!

This subject is not interesting as the OP would suggest and does not belong in the think tank.

The sad thing is that one of the mods moved it here.

[FourLengthsClear]

Its a simple question, but its a question none of us have the answer to, despite some of you pretending you know.

The question is yes or no. I dont want to hear commentary. Its a yes or no fukking question. ANSWER WITH A YES OR A NO.

If I were to log into 5dimes blackjack right now, am I going to be dealt the same cards if I log into 5dimes blackjack in 20 minutes???

SIMPLE FUKKING QUESTION THAT CALLS FOR EITHER YES, NO, OR IDK.

In single deck blackjack there is one in 81,000 billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion chance of you getting the same deck.

[chilidog]

The question is yes or no. I dont want to hear commentary. Its a yes or no fukking question. ANSWER WITH A YES OR A NO.

If I were to log into 5dimes blackjack right now, am I going to be dealt the same cards if I log into 5dimes blackjack in 20 minutes???

SIMPLE FUKKING QUESTION THAT CALLS FOR EITHER YES, NO, OR IDK.

NO!

[evo34]

Its a simple question, but its a question none of us have the answer to, despite some of you pretending you know. The question is yes or no. I dont want to hear commentary. Its a yes or no fukking question. ANSWER WITH A YES OR A NO. If I were to log into 5dimes blackjack right now, am I going to be dealt the same cards if I log into 5dimes blackjack in 20 minutes??? SIMPLE FUKKING QUESTION THAT CALLS FOR EITHER YES, NO, OR IDK.

This thread is not exactly good behavior for a parolee. Take him away.

[DrStale]

NO!

That's pretty vague. Now warriorfan's going to be even more confused.

[hels]

That's pretty vague. Now warriorfan's going to be even more confused.

LOL I just want to say YES so we can continue to see warriorfan on full retard.

[SteveRyan]

Its a simple question, but its a question none of us have the answer to, despite some of you pretending you know.

The question is yes or no. I dont want to hear commentary. Its a yes or no fukking question. ANSWER WITH A YES OR A NO.

If I were to log into 5dimes blackjack right now, am I going to be dealt the same cards if I log into 5dimes blackjack in 20 minutes???

SIMPLE FUKKING QUESTION THAT CALLS FOR EITHER YES, NO, OR IDK.

The answer is no.

The RNG never stops!! Even when nobody is playing, the RNG is computing results. When you log on, you are accessing it while it is in the midst of of computing results at a rate of thousands per second.

Dont think that it "Starts up" when someone logs on. That sucker is working overtime 24 hours a day all year long.....unless an administrator shuts it down for maintenance, upgrading, or some other purpose where shutting it down would be required.

So no, you would not get dealt the same cards at 4:00 that you would have if you logged on at 3:00.

[UNCGQ]

Some people are disagreeing with you.

and some people are too stoopid to be allowed to live . . . but here we are.