[refrain87]

I was just wondering, I know some people here claim it, but how realistic is it? Or add even going to the casino, local or vegas. I'm going to vegas this weekend, lol not expecting to win any money though... I should learn how to count cards lol

[MichaelWaters]

you will probably win big. if losing early go right back to the atm odds are in your favor

[biggie12]

I was just wondering, I know some people here claim it, but how realistic is it? Or add even going to the casino, local or vegas. I'm going to vegas this weekend, lol not expecting to win any money though... I should learn how to count cards lol

million dollar blackjack by ken uston. Great start to learn counting. More sophisticated and complicated then todays basic hi lo count and +2 value systems.

but well worth learning, and just a good read in general.

[Bo$$ Bet$]

million dollar blackjack by ken uston. Great start to learn counting. More sophisticated and complicated then todays basic hi lo count and +2 value systems.

but well worth learning, and just a good read in general.

Is this for single deck games or them damn automatic shufflers or what?

[Cap dat 4ss]

I've actually heard of a guy that made a really good living off sports betting and gambling. Well, to be honest this guy I heard of, he's the one that heard of a guy but I don't want to lose you in details. Anyways, the important part is that I heard of a guy that heard of a guy that won tons of money with an excel system. Actually, I think the details to this system are buried in the THinkTank here but it's complicated so no one here can do it. The posts are hard to find to, by some guy named Ganchrow. Anyways, I think you all you need to do what he did is just read through this Ganchow guys posts and then you should start winning. At least thats what I've heard

[bettorjon]

million dollar blackjack by ken uston. Great start to learn counting. More sophisticated and complicated then todays basic hi lo count and +2 value systems.

but well worth learning, and just a good read in general.

does card counting really work? if it does, then why are followers of this system still not millionaires?

to the OP, i think no one will share that info if he knows how. why? because it takes a lot of time and effort on his part to share the knowledge that he has for nothing

[Killer_Demo]

learn how to play craps and set dice

[jjgold]

extremely rare

anyone making a profit all it is chump change

[Jrod124]

Poster: VegasInsider

PM him

[wtf]

contact poster: roxxyfish, he is one of the november 9

[biggie12]

does card counting really work? if it does, then why are followers of this system still not millionaires?


to the OP, i think no one will share that info if he knows how. why? because it takes a lot of time and effort on his part to share the knowledge that he has for nothing

The book i still use to this day in the early 80's i believe. And i have not tweaked much from the UPC+3 startegy. There was been alot of countermeasures to stop card counting since the book was released way back then. That being said there is still lots of ways to gain an edge in the game. Sometimes greater the 5%.

Ontario is great start. casino rama specifically

[biggie12]

Is this for single deck games or them damn automatic shufflers or what?

6 or 8 deck games. not single deck (obviously not the automatic shuffler tables)


most important factor in these shoe games is where the dealer puts the cut card (its called penetration and by rule you want anything less then 1.5 decks in a 8 deck game.

[cleaveland]

There are lots of pro gamblers who play Texas Hold 'Em and you can get rich off of that. Also, Sam Rothstein in the movie Casino was based on real guy so it's possible to do it with sportsbetting.

I thought everyone would here would know that.

[TheCentaur]

million dollar blackjack by ken uston. Great start to learn counting. More sophisticated and complicated then todays basic hi lo count and +2 value systems.

but well worth learning, and just a good read in general.

This. Learned his 3 level count, but one bad thing is I am quite sure there are a few errors in his book. For example, the count at which to take insurance HAS to be off. Bokk is out of print now though.

Card counting is nowhere near what it used to be, at least in the USA. Too much heat and countermeasures.

[biggie12]

thecentuar the insurance is not off, Not sure about the original print but i have updated indexes, i can email them to you if u want ill have to dig them up. its been awhile i sort of gave up counting once i got banned in the Ontario casinos closest to me.

[Fishhead]

..............over 15 years now.


Knock on wood

[TheCentaur]

thecentuar the insurance is not off, Not sure about the original print but i have updated indexes, i can email them to you if u want ill have to dig them up. its been awhile i sort of gave up counting once i got banned in the Ontario casinos closest to me.

If I remember correctly it he says take insurance with a 1/2 deck true count of +4 or 5 in the 3 level count. I can't remember exactly, I just remember testing it over and over and it wasn't even close to being +ev at that count. May have been an error in the original.

[Statman]

I believe the overall numbers are something in the 5% range of people who win regularly and can sustain a living from gambling. Thought I read on this site not to long ago.

[stikymess]

The hardest part IMO is being funded properly. Too many headed to Vegas with 20-30k, only to be headed back a month later with broken dreams.

[rkelly110]

Usually, at some point in your gambling adventures, you are up. When that little voice
in your head says should I quit? QUIT!!!!!!!

You are your own worst enemy. When you win, GTFO as fast as possible!

Don't gamble without a game plan, stick to your plan. Set a win target, if you get close to
your target, quit. Set a loss limit also, get 'em next time.

[topgame85]

I believe the overall numbers are something in the 5% range of people who win regularly and can sustain a living from gambling. Thought I read on this site not to long ago.

Maybe 5% win long term MAYBE. Make a living has to be in the .5%-1% range considering there are probably over 100 million sports bettors in the world still a large number who do it.

[jjgold]

If you think your going to try and make a living off gambling you might as well put a fukkin bullet in your head and save yourself a life of misery

[stikymess]

Usually, at some point in your gambling adventures, you are up. When that little voice in your head says should I quit? QUIT!!!!!!!
You are your own worst enemy. When you win, GTFO as fast as possible!
Don't gamble without a game plan, stick to your plan. Set a win target, if you get close to your target, quit. Set a loss limit also, get 'em next time.

Keep in mind gamblers and discipline usually don't mix.

[chase hardy]

I know more than a few that make a living playing poker only for a living.

[THE PROFIT]

for a few years I didnt have a job only made a living off gambling.........

I was gambling, but I was letting everyone else pick the games & I was just taking the other side they didnt want

Thats the ONLY way to make money in sports gaming