1. 10-22-07 07:44 PM #1
    SBR_John
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    What happened to Roberto?

    We have tons of scams with Sportsbook.com and SBG and Cascade, WorldGaming and slow pays at BetUS and not a word from Roberto?

    I know he had some real tough family issues a while back. Hope he is ok. Anyone know if he's ok? Kind of miss the chap .
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  2. 10-22-07 09:50 PM #2
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    I think he moved to the UK.
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  3. 10-23-07 01:56 AM #3
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    Dear John,

    As you certainly recall I did mention how challenging this 2007 has been for me.

    I lost a son in April, probably to most trying event someone may ever have to go through.

    I then started having some serious health issues that have kept me on the sidelines for a while.

    I got back yesterday (Monday) from a series of medical treatments which have managed to fix me up a little bit (at least it looks that way).

    There are lots of issues on the plate and I'd add Premierbet to your shortlist as well.

    I was actually working on that before I had to take off for treatments.

    I also managed to speak to Royal yeasterday about the case you mentioned and learned that they are in the process of refunding initial deposits.

    I haven't had access to their side of the story (yet) therefore haven't had the change to make an assessment yet.

    Per sportsbook.com I have a couple of disputes I was inverstigating before the last "break" and should be able to follow up this week.

    There's definitely alot to do out there...hope to be able to catch up with everything before the end of the week.

    Cheers,

    Roberto
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  4. 10-23-07 02:17 AM #4
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    Sorry to hear about your loss and your health troubles, Roberto. Hope you're back on top soon and that 2008 will be a better year for you.
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  5. 10-23-07 03:56 AM #5
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    Rob just an fyi-

    You got Royal and SBG rated 7. They are robbing players.

    You got Sportsbook.com rated 7, they are also robbing people.

    Not a big deal but you have books like Superbook and Hollywood rated a 2, which is accurate. But you have their owner, sportsbook.com, rated a 7. They wouldnt of happened to have bought a banner on Tow?? Who loves you?!
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  6. 10-23-07 04:08 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOW View Post
    I lost a son in April, probably to most trying event someone may ever have to go through.
    I can relate to that. Lost my son in Oct 05. Good luck with everything sir and sorry for you lost. Hope 2008 is a great year for you. God Bless.
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  7. 10-23-07 04:09 AM #7
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    John,

    This is what I wrote about SBG and Royal on 7/24/07:

    The Bad - Sports Betting


    SBG Global - They have been slightly improving lately but SBG is still very reluctant to cooperate in the settlement of players’ dispute. Probably a decent choice for small recreational players but a possible mine field for seasoned and larger players.

    Pros: fast payouts, good wagering menu, adequate betting limits.

    Cons: reputation has lots of room for improvement, uncooperative with dispute resolution negotiations, scattered cases of rules changed on the go (always to players' disadvantage).


    Royal Sports - Recently purchased by SBG Global (see notes above)
    http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=2962

    BTW - you still have PlatinumSB at C- ...that's the guy (Crazy Ali) that got thrown in jail for murdering one of his clerks and the book is under investigation for money laundering.....maybe a downgrade to F could be considered...

    http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=2965

    p.s. this is the same dude that tried to contact me through your guys in CR because of my initial report on him (
    http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=354) and eventually threatened to kill me at the CRIS fights in April 2006...

    as per my ratings.... there are some inconsistencies within families of books. This is because the eternal process of migrating data from the old web manager to the new web manager hasn't reached completion yet. It should finally be done this week.
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  8. 10-23-07 04:14 AM #8
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    http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=354) and eventually threatened to kill me at the CRIS fights in April 2006...
    But who provided you protection???? . We take care of you when your down here. We keep you safe so we can beat up on you !
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  9. 10-23-07 04:22 AM #9
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    True that. You imediately put your "bulldogs" at my disposal after I mentioned the unpleasant encounter....

    I'm just starting to realize how much you missed me...however we should keep our "affair" as private as possible or Mudcat could go berserk on you
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  10. 10-23-07 04:26 AM #10
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    I did miss you. Its true. Guys around the sportsbook circuit ask me what the hell happened to whats his name?

    Would love to see you help collect for these sportsbook.com and SBG victims. Cascade too. You are good at that.
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  11. 10-23-07 04:34 AM #11
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    Not saying the ones you are mentioning aren't priorities but I'm trying to get something done on Premierbet first (hopefully this week).

    I will certainly follow up on other cases as well, just give me a few days.

    On the Cascade side we may try to arrange some "cherry-picked" bailouts, honestly the only way I see to get something for players.

    We've done some good things in the past when we worked together or assisting players, nothing says history can't repeat itself...
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  12. 10-23-07 06:31 AM #12
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    I use to like the way Roberto would get money for players. This guy was a real life thug, he literally busted down doors with some sort of group he ran with and of course took his cut but got many guys paid over $355,000 through the years. Was it legal what he did?? No.....did he shoot people or did his boys shoot people?? Yes . I am pretty sure the absence of Roberto was due to doing time for this type of activity. I guess in a way he was a bounty collector kind of old school.

    I might have to make a video of this, he is a fukkin throwback to the 20's and 30's.

    Anyway sorry for your loss Ace and I hope your on the road ro recovery in all apsects of your life.

    Ps: Boys if you are owed money I would use Roberto because he uses old school methods that are not really legal but will get your money for a small cut which is well worth it.
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  13. 10-23-07 08:45 AM #13
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    Roberto- Sorry to hear about that. My condolences.
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  14. 10-23-07 08:47 AM #14
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    Coach- There's a lot of truth to your post. Hopefully Roberto will jump in and tell some stories about PanAm and his travels to Panama during that time.
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  15. 10-23-07 09:55 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I use to like the way Roberto would get money for players. This guy was a real life thug, he literally busted down doors with some sort of group he ran with and of course took his cut but got many guys paid over $355,000 through the years. Was it legal what he did?? No.....did he shoot people or did his boys shoot people?? Yes . I am pretty sure the absence of Roberto was due to doing time for this type of activity. I guess in a way he was a bounty collector kind of old school.

    I might have to make a video of this, he is a fukkin throwback to the 20's and 30's.

    Anyway sorry for your loss Ace and I hope your on the road ro recovery in all apsects of your life.

    Ps: Boys if you are owed money I would use Roberto because he uses old school methods that are not really legal but will get your money for a small cut which is well worth it.

    I don't know about the thug part,but In my book Roberto is a good egg.A few years back..back i think in 2003?He helped me collect $3200 from that sh*t hole of a book in pamana.The book was closed and it took 6 mos

    Family and health,that's all we really have in this world.
    CHEERS~~~
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  16. 10-23-07 11:17 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe blow View Post
    I don't know about the thug part,but In my book Roberto is a good egg.A few years back..back i think in 2003?He helped me collect $3200 from that sh*t hole of a book in pamana.The book was closed and it took 6 mos
    I would like to second that. TOW did get me and a number of others a bailout-plan after Pointbet went down about half a year ago. To my knowledge they were the only ones that ever bothered to try to arrange anything at that time, I'm grateful for that.
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  17. 10-23-07 11:40 AM #17
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    I know a guy that was owed $14,000 from Royal and Roberto came home with it in cash and payed the player himself.
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  18. 10-23-07 01:12 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOW View Post

    I lost a son in April, probably to most trying event someone may ever have to go through.

    I then started having some serious health issues that have kept me on the sidelines for a while.

    I got back yesterday (Monday) from a series of medical treatments which have managed to fix me up a little bit (at least it looks that way).


    Sorry to hear about your bad news Roberto.
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  19. 10-23-07 03:10 PM #19
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    Sorry about your son as well, Roberto.
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  20. 10-23-07 03:19 PM #20
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    Roberto probably got more money returned to players than anyone else ever
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  21. 10-23-07 03:22 PM #21
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    I always thought Roberto is an interesting person, sorta like JJ describes it. That´s why i was kinda shocked when i saw some of the books TOW promoted - was the $$$ worth it Rob? :/
    But that´s also why i still go there and read sometimes...

    P.S. sorry to hear about your loss Roberto, life tests us in many ways and it can be very tough..wish you good luck.
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  22. 10-23-07 03:26 PM #22
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    I've met Roberto in person twice. He's a lot of fun to be around. On the forums he does shade the truth some.
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  23. 10-23-07 03:30 PM #23
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    Raiders what does Roberto charge to get money back to a player from a stiff book? How much does he want per $1000?

    Back to a somber note.............Losing a Son has to be devastating, I hate hearing news like this.

    Roberto hang in there Pal.
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  24. 10-23-07 03:31 PM #24
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    20%

    He sinks the ship, then saves the passengers.
    Last edited by raiders72002; 10-23-07 at 03:34 PM.
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  25. 10-23-07 03:37 PM #25
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    Roberto- Sorry to hear about that. My condolences
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  26. 10-23-07 08:53 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72002 View Post
    20%

    He sinks the ship, then saves the passengers.

    I guess he don't like you much raiders...He charged me 10% and my buddy who had $1500 there the same.

    Frankly i would of been happy to pay 20%,simply because i considered it found money.

    CHEERS~
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  27. 10-23-07 08:56 PM #27
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    Sorry about the loss and hope you can cope.
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  28. 10-23-10 04:22 AM #28
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    Is he still around?
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  29. 10-23-10 04:27 AM #29
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    Was thinking about Roberto the other day.

    Hope he is doing well.
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  30. 10-23-10 04:31 AM #30
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    I AM PRETTY SURE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE REPORTED HIS DEATH SO HE MUST STILL BE ALIVE.I LIKE ROBERTO HE SEEMS LIKE A STAND UP GUY
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  31. 10-23-10 06:57 AM #31
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    Sorry for your loss bro. You will be in our prayers. Hang in there my friend.
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  32. 10-23-10 11:48 PM #32
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    I will start asking around and see if anyone anywhere else knows how he is doing.
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  33. 07-20-11 05:56 PM #33
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    Any update on this?
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