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    take it to pawn stars and see if its fake, pretty wild he could never get it before and now all of a sudden he can, hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grind House View Post
    Muthafuckas elected an actor that tried to destroy my people (Reagan), elected a man that couldn't read(Bush)...and OBAMA's the problem? Schwarzenegger punk ass wasn't even born on this soil and is now presiding over one of the most cash strapped states. But in the bigger scheme of things they all work wit each other. Just another distraction. Won't fool me. A lot here are just stupid; no need to argue this topic.
    "mutha"...."wit"......this country is in worse shape than I imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBa1n View Post
    What will be interesting is what teabaggers and the racist right will get fired up about next.
    These people you allude to have been mighty pissed off about health care and deficit since early on in the Obama administration - and not Obama's birth certificate.

    You would know this if you ever read something besides DailyKos or Janeane Garofalo's blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    I am also puzzled that the last time Americans paid $4/gal for gasoline that it was blamed on Bush and Cheney and their big oil buddies but this time around.......nothing, nada, zilch.

    because obama didn't actively manipulate gas prices to enrich his donors and profit personally.

    http://www.gaspricenews.com/blog/how...he-oil-market/

    Thе United States ԁесіѕіοn tο invade Iraq become official οn March 20, 2003. Five days before thаt, οn March 5, 2003, Senator Carl Levin, a member οf thе Senate’s permanent subcommittee οn investigations released a report thаt reveals whу gas prices soared during thе Bush administration.

    Sοmе obviously predetermined аnԁ odd decisions bу thе Department οf Energy regarding thе nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserves аrе thе cause behind thе outrageous increases іn oil аnԁ thus gas wе saw take рƖасе under Bush.

    In thе report іt details аn out οf thе ordinary ԁесіѕіοn bу thе Bush administration tο add fifty million barrels οf tο thе United States oil reserves іn 2002. Normally thіѕ wouldn’t bе a problem, аnԁ wе hаԁ done іt іn thе past bυt, аt thе time, thе рυrсhаѕе οf thіѕ reserve oil wаѕ interpreted аѕ аn extreme change іn United States energy policy bу outside investors already viewing thе United States іn a mild turmoil аftеr thе 9/11 fаƖѕе flag attack аnԁ wіth obvious indications οf war wіth Iraq οn thе horizon. Thеѕе oil reserve рυrсhаѕеѕ wеrе mаԁе іn a market wіth a tight supply οf oil, caused bу increasing Chinese demand, whісh іn turn pushed up thе gasoline prices tο thеіr highest levels іn twelve years.

    Thіѕ same Senate report stated thаt іn one month thе Bush administration wаѕ directly responsible fοr thе hυɡе increase іn crude oil prices whісh raised heating oil bу 13%, jet fuel bу 10% аnԁ diesel fuel bу 8%.

    Thе bottom line? Radical decisions wіth ulterior motives ( preparation fοr thе Iraq War ) bу thе Bush administration cost citizens between $500 million аnԁ $1 billion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    These people you allude to have been mighty pissed off about health care and deficit since early on in the Obama administration - and not Obama's birth certificate.

    You would know this if you ever read something besides DailyKos or Janeane Garofalo's blog.
    the average american is a complete mongoloid when it comes to health care reform and should stick to discussing topics they can comprehend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    These charts are fantastic, clearly we're in the golden era of Obama prosperity.

    Now try selling your house. At any price.

    Any charts to distort that reality?


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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    because obama didn't actively manipulate gas prices to enrich his donors and profit personally.

    http://www.gaspricenews.com/blog/how...he-oil-market/

    Thе United States ԁесіѕіοn tο invade Iraq become official οn March 20, 2003. Five days before thаt, οn March 5, 2003, Senator Carl Levin, a member οf thе Senate’s permanent subcommittee οn investigations released a report thаt reveals whу gas prices soared during thе Bush administration.

    Sοmе obviously predetermined аnԁ odd decisions bу thе Department οf Energy regarding thе nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserves аrе thе cause behind thе outrageous increases іn oil аnԁ thus gas wе saw take рƖасе under Bush.

    In thе report іt details аn out οf thе ordinary ԁесіѕіοn bу thе Bush administration tο add fifty million barrels οf tο thе United States oil reserves іn 2002. Normally thіѕ wouldn’t bе a problem, аnԁ wе hаԁ done іt іn thе past bυt, аt thе time, thе рυrсhаѕе οf thіѕ reserve oil wаѕ interpreted аѕ аn extreme change іn United States energy policy bу outside investors already viewing thе United States іn a mild turmoil аftеr thе 9/11 fаƖѕе flag attack аnԁ wіth obvious indications οf war wіth Iraq οn thе horizon. Thеѕе oil reserve рυrсhаѕеѕ wеrе mаԁе іn a market wіth a tight supply οf oil, caused bу increasing Chinese demand, whісh іn turn pushed up thе gasoline prices tο thеіr highest levels іn twelve years.

    Thіѕ same Senate report stated thаt іn one month thе Bush administration wаѕ directly responsible fοr thе hυɡе increase іn crude oil prices whісh raised heating oil bу 13%, jet fuel bу 10% аnԁ diesel fuel bу 8%.

    Thе bottom line? Radical decisions wіth ulterior motives ( preparation fοr thе Iraq War ) bу thе Bush administration cost citizens between $500 million аnԁ $1 billion.

    So invading Iraq in 2003 and adding to the SPR in 2002 spiked gasoline prices in 2008???? LMFAO!

    Adding oil to the SPR in 2002 looks like a good move to me given today's prices. Obumbler should have added more when he took office and oil prices was low.

    America's foreign policy the past 60 years of invading countries that don't attack nor threaten the US is completely ignorant. With that said, why hasn't Mr. Hope, Mr. Change, Mr. Not Business as Usual stopped the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of escalating them and starting a new one in Libya?
    Last edited by jarvol; 04-27-11 at 01:06 PM.

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    did you even read the article?

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    Now all the Fascist Republicans can suck it

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    I am glad Obama put this to rest and now we can talk about the big issues at hand which are huge.

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    I hear it is a fake

    He has the power to make it happen

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    With this narrative out of the way...what will the media focus on now to distract us from the real issues of the day?

    Or will they have to finally put out front that just this week 9 more of our soldiers were killed in Afghanistan.....gas prices are still ass raping everyone.....P&G announced price hikes in consumer essentials.....our national debt is still growing....tens of millions are still uninsured even though we were told Obama Care would end that.....learned that the U.S. Tax payer lost BILLIONS on our GM recsue investment.....and so on and so on....but wait! Just looked on the news and it's wall to wall that the Royal wedding is almost here and Obama is on his way to Chicago to film an episode of Oprah!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoloco View Post
    why did it take so long?
    they released the short form birth certificate a long time ago. Today they released the long form birth certificate. The department of health has an administrative policy to not release the long form birth certificate to anyone, including the person the certificate is about. Obama was granted a waiver from the department of health to be able to receive the long form birth certificate.

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    He had to stand in line at the health dept. He didn't realize he ran the place. Rofflmfao needs a fukin waiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post

    Many thanks for providing a chart that reflecting the price of homes in comparison to the year prior.

    Not that I'd expect you to add anything relevant but it has almost nothing to do with what's going on today, where liquidity is practically nonexistent. (homes aren't changing hands)

    But I think (and hope) we can all agree that real estate market is in the shitter.

    So what does Obama want to do? Eliminate the mortgage tax deductions (to further deflate a wholly deflated housing market) in the name of deficit reduction. Homeowners are wholly against this, but home owners aren't a priority for the Obama administration to begin with, so there you have it.

    I've wasted enough energy on Obama for today. He is a fukking clown.

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    Trump is a fukking clown.

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    considering the us housing market was "ground zero" for the global meltdown, do you honestly think anyone could possibly rejuvenate it in 2 short years?

    it may take decades for it to recover from the damage bush & neocons did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by itchypickle View Post
    With this narrative out of the way...what will the media focus on now to distract us from the real issues of the day?

    Or will they have to finally put out front that just this week 9 more of our soldiers were killed in Afghanistan.....gas prices are still ass raping everyone.....P&G announced price hikes in consumer essentials.....our national debt is still growing....tens of millions are still uninsured even though we were told Obama Care would end that.....learned that the U.S. Tax payer lost BILLIONS on our GM recsue investment.....and so on and so on....but wait! Just looked on the news and it's wall to wall that the Royal wedding is almost here and Obama is on his way to Chicago to film an episode of Oprah!!!!
    for the record, it is a piece of legislation that is to be phased in over a four-year period, not a magic fkn wand. and for now, the lynchpin to the entire legislation - the individual mandate - is stuck in litigation. the only way to expand health care to those uninsured, effective immediately, would be to implement a government entitlement program, aka a public option (e.g., remove the minimum age on Medicare). that would send shockwaves through the entire insurance industry (which, interestingly enough, hates health care reform in its entirety except for the individual mandate). from 1999 to 2008, overall inflation was 29%, while workers' earnings increased 34%. over the same nine-year period, health care premiums increased 119%. the entire structure has to be changed to bend the cost curve to enable the uninsured to obtain coverage. long-term problems don't have simple fixes. that's why the average person would rather obsess over a birth certificate because trying to figure out how to fix our health care system would make any sane person want to jump out of a window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconticket View Post
    He had to stand in line at the health dept. He didn't realize he ran the place. Rofflmfao needs a fukin waiver.
    no line, his lawyer and himself wrote a letter. Why is it funny he needed a waiver? The state has policy to give computer generated documents, and not the original document/form. It was the Hawaii department of health, so he didn't run the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyasu View Post

    no line, his lawyer and himself wrote a letter. Why is it funny he needed a waiver? The state has policy to give computer generated documents, and not the original document/form. It was the Hawaii department of health, so he didn't run the place.
    your facts are no match for this rare combination of vitriol and ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTFinancial View Post
    your facts are no match for this rare combination of vitriol and ignorance.
    true true, and the reason I always try to change the subject with family/friends/coworkers/anyone

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    LOL, Obama get to work on fixing the country instead of this charade

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    considering the us housing market was "ground zero" for the global meltdown, do you honestly think anyone could possibly rejuvenate it in 2 short years?

    it may take decades for it to recover from the damage bush & neocons did.

    So Bush took down the housing market??? lol. You need to breathe.....and stop watching so much MSNBC.

    Bush was a sh!tty president but he didn't repeal Glass-Steagall. He also didn't change the cap gains taxes on selling a house. He didn't oversee the Fed of NY bailing out Long Term Cap to the tune of $4 billion in a preview of what was to come in 2008. He didn't run the Fed and keep interest rates at ridiculous low just as the Fed is doing again now. But hey....blame Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    So Bush took down the housing market??? lol. You need to breathe.....and stop watching so much MSNBC.

    Bush was a sh!tty president but he didn't repeal Glass-Steagall. He also didn't change the cap gains taxes on selling a house. He didn't oversee the Fed of NY bailing out Long Term Cap to the tune of $4 billion in a preview of what was to come in 2008. He didn't run the Fed and keep interest rates at ridiculous low just as the Fed is doing again now. But hey....blame Bush.
    Bush also didn't make people buy things they couldn't afford

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    Let's be real here..

    Obama is a fukkin footlocker shoe salesman that knows what big words mean... nothing more, nothing less... not saying he is a bad guy, but for you guys to sit here and argue like he is really in control of whats going on is fukkin hilarious...

    he is a puppet..

    releasing certificate was bad move..

    We are all fukked until we close borders and go to war with China, our only hope...

    Get ready for a crazy 20 year stretch...

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    Expect full disclosure about extra-terrestrials and the role they play in today's world within the next 3-5 years

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    Obama is running the country into the ground. Way too many idiots out there who fell for his "Change" bullshitt. Biggest b.s. artist this country has ever seen and that's saying something.

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    Obama is such a fake!!
    Clamming to be black all this time, when his birth certicate clearly states he is Hawaiian

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTFinancial View Post
    i'm no Obama fan, but didn't that have far more to do with the 2008 economic downturn than Obama's election? same thing likely would've happened if McCain had won the election. no easy fix for something like the subprime mortgage crisis.

    The subprime Mortgage mess all started when Clinton appointed Andrew Cuomo the head of HUD at 32 years of age with no financial experience. He first act was to require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to commit 50% of their loans to "affordable housing" and lower income borrowers. He implemented stringent Govt reporting and fines that forced Freddie and Fannie to increase home ownership to "under-served" borrowers. The result was a huge increase in home ownership among people that could not afford homes. The economy flourished as Home values increased with more demand in the market. The economy rolled under the Clinton and first term Bush but was driven by (eventually) bad credit and Home equity loans. When the supply stopped and demand caught up, Home prices started decreasing, delinquencies started and the economy went south. Both parties are to blame for not stopping what Clinton, Cuomo, Barney Frank, and Franklin Raines (Fannie Maes trillion dollar commitment) created, the ecomony was a credit driven mirage that exploded. Bush And Obama have done very little to correct the economy, throwing more money at it clearly did not work. Increasing home ownership to the poor was embraced by Clinton, Bush and Community organizer Obama and championed by Barney Frank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philswin View Post
    Increasing home ownership to the poor was embraced by Clinton, Bush and Community organizer Obama and championed by Barney Frank.
    Its embraced by anyone looking for votes

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    Quote Originally Posted by philswin View Post


    The subprime Mortgage mess all started when Clinton appointed Andrew Cuomo the head of HUD at 32 years of age with no financial experience. He first act was to require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to commit 50% of their loans to "affordable housing" and lower income borrowers. He implemented stringent Govt reporting and fines that forced Freddie and Fannie to increase home ownership to "under-served" borrowers. The result was a huge increase in home ownership among people that could not afford homes. The economy flourished as Home values increased with more demand in the market. The economy rolled under the Clinton and first term Bush but was driven by (eventually) bad credit and Home equity loans. When the supply stopped and demand caught up, Home prices started decreasing, delinquencies started and the economy went south. Both parties are to blame for not stopping what Clinton, Cuomo, Barney Frank, and Franklin Raines (Fannie Maes trillion dollar commitment) created, the ecomony was a credit driven mirage that exploded. Bush And Obama have done very little to correct the economy, throwing more money at it clearly did not work. Increasing home ownership to the poor was embraced by Clinton, Bush and Community organizer Obama and championed by Barney Frank.
    you will note that i (correctly) did not blame Bush for the subprime crisis. what unequivocally is clear is that it cannot be blamed on Obama. well, it can, but only by a complete mongoloid.

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    there is no way that birth certificate is real...how difficult is it to print a fake one...people will believe anything they are told..

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    Yes for sure - Obama big mistake was trying to stimulate the economy with a trillion dollars that created very few jobs and did little to help the economy. The roots of this start with Clinton, Frank, Cuomo, and Raines and continues unchecked through the Bush Administration. One thing that Bush and Clinton agreed on was the way to help the countrys poor was to increase their home ownership by forcing regulation on Fannie, Freddie, and Mortgage lenders. As stated above it was very politically correct to support this, anyone who opposed was attacked and leading the attack was Barney Frank front and center, anyone opposed was quickly labeled a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    It had been released by the state of Hawaii for over 2 years ago. People are never satisfied with anything and this is one of the dumbest arguments that i have ever heard.

    wait a fkking minute now i cant leave the country with out first showing 3 forms of I.d. and getting a passport. Cant vote wihtout showing i.d. i am required to show i.d. for almost everything i do in this country........

    and the mther fukking president should have to show everything he has ever done in order to qualify to be president.

    i think its non sense to expect everyone ot just accept who he is and ofr it to be politically incorrect to question him.,

    fuk that. that is what is wrong with this country.

    the old people in this country dont ask enough fuking questions

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